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Ok just got my 6.5 back from Derrick and looking to take the long distance class with fireman.. So I am currently running a 2 mth old zeiss hd5 5x25x50 sfp...I'm looking to buy a ffp options

Budget under 2 k
Nightforce f1 3.5x15x50 ffp
Vortex pst
Vortex razor
Swfa ss

Opinons?!?!?

Or stay with zeiss and buy a handheld flir or nv

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Go against the kool aid and get thermal

Your scope is easily good enough to shoot at distance.

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Says the guy that has never been through the class.

Its not Koolaid it is getting the right tool for the job. A Zeiss or Swaro will not hang on my range. You need a Mil/ Mil or MOA/ MOA scope.


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Re: Optics...need some help on what [Re: daniel1381] #5395285 11/03/14 01:10 PM
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Grape or red Kool aid?

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You don't know what you're talking about. You're out of you depth.

Tell you what. Come to the range and shoot me for $5 a shot. You hit and I miss I pay $5. I hit and you miss you pay me $5. We'll see if it's Koolaide.


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And you were sucessful at trolling for me. grin


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For the Zeiss you currently have, I would say try it. BUT..... The Zeiss models I have shot that did not have a parallax knob on it, would not hold groups out at longer ranges. It doesn't look like you have a parallax adjustment on this scope. Yes, it has 1/4 moa turrets, which is needed for dialing, but you might be off on the parallax. If the Nightforce scope option is on the table, I will ALWAYS pick a NF over anything else. I own 4 of them, and it's all I shoot for my precision rifles. They are a very good scope.



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Think a f1 3.5x15x50 would be good?


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Sure. It would be awesome!



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[quote=FiremanJG]You don't know what you're talking about. You're out of you depth.

Tell you what. Come to the range and shoot me for $5 a shot. You hit and I miss I pay $5. I hit and you miss you pay me $5. We'll see if it's Koolaide. [/quote

yawn wow I didnt see this one coming except for that last 5 times you offered it.

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I think the hd5 has parallax.. Can't image a 25 power scope not having it. Pretty sure that's their mid level LR scope.

You should be fine unless you have to have FFP

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I just looked it up. It doesn't have the parallax adjustment. It says it's parallax free from 50 to infinity. I'd have to shoot it to test it out. But I'd gamble a pretty penny that once you get out past 400 yards groups would open up.

http://www.zeiss.com/sports-optics/en_us...pes.html#models



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calling around now to find the f1 and get it on the way and ill just sell the zeiss...will the nightforce be as clear as the zeiss?


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Still havn't nutted up and done it either.

Maybe I'm right and it's not Koolaide?






Daniel, yes NF will be as clear as Zeiss.


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lmao... ok sounds good .. found 1 in stock waiting on a call back


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Bushnell DMR and you'll have money leftover

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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Still havn't nutted up and done it either.

Maybe I'm right and it's not Koolaide?






Daniel, yes NF will be as clear as Zeiss.


No it won't above the HD5 mark or higher. TerrA and orginal conquest yes but not the hd5 or higher.

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Alright fine. Open for interpretation. A NF F-1 can shoot distance, a Zeiss cannot. It will cause a miss due to wind.


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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Alright fine. Open for interpretation. A NF F-1 can shoot distance, a Zeiss cannot. It will cause a miss due to wind.


Which Zeiss??? You just left the door wide open. And that's not a good thing since you just included the Hensoldt

Last time I checked the Zeiss hd5 had horizontal left and right adjustment? Or does Zeiss HD5 not track in those directions? Or is it a only a mil hashed ffp scope able to have a useable reticle? Or is th 60 Moa up and 40 lateral not enough? Why would one of the largest quality scope mfg's produce a scope with that much travel if you can't shoot over 500 yards with it...... Ironic



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Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42
I just looked it up. It doesn't have the parallax adjustment. It says it's parallax free from 50 to infinity. I'd have to shoot it to test it out. But I'd gamble a pretty penny that once you get out past 400 yards groups would open up.

http://www.zeiss.com/sports-optics/en_us...pes.html#models


The 5-25x50 does has parrallax, you mis read it I had to double check too. I now most of the conquest line doesn't but the hd5 was their mid level or offering.

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I just looked it up. It doesn't have the parallax adjustment. It says it's parallax free from 50 to infinity. I'd have to shoot it to test it out. But I'd gamble a pretty penny that once you get out past 400 yards groups would open up.

http://www.zeiss.com/sports-optics/en_us...pes.html#models


The 5-25x50 does has parrallax, you mis read it I had to double check too. I now most of the conquest line doesn't but the hd5 was their mid level or offering.


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The most compact high-magnification riflescope in the industry and the most powerful in the HD5 line, this riflescope is perfect for mid to extra-long-range hunting. The wide magnification range provides great flexibility for those shooting in vast Western terrains with magnum calibers or for general varmint and predator control.

This scope also features a side parallax adjustment

and is available with a Z-Plex reticle with lockable target turret, RAPID-Z 800 with hunting turret, Rapid-Z 1000 with lockable target turret or with a RAPID-Z Varmint reticle and hunting turret.

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lmao... ok sounds good .. found 1 in stock waiting on a call back


Great decision!

Post pics when you get it on the rifle!

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Go with the Bushnell

"Clarity" is the most subjective quality of an optic, once you get into the higher end products

I have what I considers the Gold standard of scopes... Schmidt and Bender 5-25x56 PMII to me there are none clearer, tougher,....bla bla bla BUT

I also have 4 Bushnell elites and I have just as much confidence in the optical picture and mechanical function in my DMR as I do my Schmidt and at a 1/3rd the price it really doesn't bother me as bad if I scuff it up a bit aim

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What's the amount of travel in the Zeiss? They are known to not have much besides in the high end options. It likely won't be to much of a issue with the 6.5 but could be.


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