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Re: Age/thoughts on 10pt and a spike [Re: sloveless] #5374864 10/23/14 02:37 AM
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Bar z but I just looked it already sold


I just don't see it three years later, two yes but don't know about three. I'm trying not to crawfish but know your in my head...lol time will tell which one of us is right


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Re: Age/thoughts on 10pt and a spike [Re: sloveless] #5374879 10/23/14 02:44 AM
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First two pics, the buck is probably 3.5. On a 300 tract, you might want to take him. Or not, your choice.


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Re: Age/thoughts on 10pt and a spike [Re: sloveless] #5374895 10/23/14 02:54 AM
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Then you are that neighbor. All but one of this pics above is on a 220 ranch, with a 155 taken last year that was watched and passed on for a few years. And that's with a day lease next door!!!


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Re: Age/thoughts on 10pt and a spike [Re: sloveless] #5374903 10/23/14 02:58 AM
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Shoulders aren't full and muscled enough for me to call him 3.5. I'm going 2.5 as well. He is still a gangly teenager.


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Re: Age/thoughts on 10pt and a spike [Re: sloveless] #5374904 10/23/14 02:59 AM
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Can you be that neighbor if you don't gripe about that neighbor?
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Re: Age/thoughts on 10pt and a spike [Re: Curly] #5374922 10/23/14 03:05 AM
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Can you be that neighbor if you don't gripe about that neighbor?
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No, because your shooting it because you want too not because you need an excuse.

I personally don't care what anyone shoots, happy for every hunter that posts a deer, big, small, ugly, pretty.

but if you are trying to get older age classes and decide to shoot it because you neighbor might then you are that neighbor and you made an excuse to kill it. If you want it, shoot it!!!! be proud but don't lesson it via an excuse.


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Re: Age/thoughts on 10pt and a spike [Re: BOBO the Clown] #5374929 10/23/14 03:07 AM
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Can you be that neighbor if you don't gripe about that neighbor?
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No, because your shooting it because you want too not because you need an excuse.

I personally don't care what anyone shoots, happy for every hunter that posts a deer, big, small, ugly, pretty.

but if you are trying to get older age classes and decide to shoot it because you neighbor might then you are that neighbor and you made an excuse to kill it. If you want it, shoot it!!!! be proud but don't lesson it via an excuse.

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Re: Age/thoughts on 10pt and a spike [Re: BOBO the Clown] #5374945 10/23/14 03:11 AM
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Originally Posted By: BOBO the Clown
Bar z but I just looked it already sold


I just don't see it three years later, two yes but don't know about three. I'm trying not to crawfish but know your in my head...lol time will tell which one of us is right

That ranch would have been a guess but thought it sold a while back.


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Re: Age/thoughts on 10pt and a spike [Re: stxranchman] #5374978 10/23/14 03:22 AM
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Bar z but I just looked it already sold


I just don't see it three years later, two yes but don't know about three. I'm trying not to crawfish but know your in my head...lol time will tell which one of us is right

That ranch would have been a guess but thought it sold a while back.


I know it was for sale earlier this year, I bought 10 lotto tickets that week. It apparently wasn't ment to be


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Re: Age/thoughts on 10pt and a spike [Re: BOBO the Clown] #5374988 10/23/14 03:32 AM
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Originally Posted By: BOBO the Clown
2.5 on the ten. Don't think he is 3.5 from those pics.



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You got to remember Brady has had some of the best rains in the state last TWO years so they are real healthly. Buck crop this year is the best health I've seen since 2007. Should be some studs come out of there. Fawn crop is crazy, very heavy recruitment this year. That last pic I posted is western mason county, but only 30 miles as a crow files to the other deer in Brady. His body weight was much less then the western 4.5 year old or older Brady deer.

Eastern Brady has more of that mason/llano body types typical hill country, western Brady is large bodied, longer legs..more west Texas like. Western deer of Brady will out weight eastern by 20lbs plus at 6.5 usually some times more.

Op has a potential stud on his hands. Even if he is 3.5, what do you think that deer will be at 6.5.... Stud!!!



Don't see it and I am not far from you. What do you think the top end and management is like on the place that you are hunting compared to where he is hunting. What is the supplemental feeding program on your place like?

Like I said, I am not far from you and our rainfall has not been that great. This Summer and early fall has been good, but we had a record setting dry winter and rains started late in the growing season.

As far as brows go...two year olds can grow them or is he a 1.5....


And you and STX know better than to age looking at the antlers trout


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Then you are that neighbor. All but one of this pics above is on a 220 ranch, with a 155 taken last year that was watched and passed on for a few years. And that's with a day lease next door!!!


What kind of management and what is the top end that comes of that "day lease" popcorn


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Then you are that neighbor. All but one of this pics above is on a 220 ranch, with a 155 taken last year that was watched and passed on for a few years. And that's with a day lease next door!!!


What kind of management and what is the top end that comes of that "day lease" popcorn



You ain't got any rain? I don't want to rub it in then...,,,cause we have gotten hammered. Last weekend every tank was at the spill way been that way all year. Also bright green. All road are washed out, etc...


No protein on us or HOT, Management is simple via age for us, next door age and 8pt over 120 and 10pt 125.

Top end on day lease is same as us mid to upper 50's but 70's isn't out of the question, and 60's gets killed about every two to three years. Now this year maybe a different story, it's not part of HOT anymore and they got 40guys on it as straight lease but all still bow. It actually will probably push a lot of deer to us.

As far as what the OP has around him I have no idea,


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Re: Age/thoughts on 10pt and a spike [Re: BOBO the Clown] #5375010 10/23/14 03:47 AM
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Then you are that neighbor. All but one of this pics above is on a 220 ranch, with a 155 taken last year that was watched and passed on for a few years. And that's with a day lease next door!!!


What kind of management and what is the top end that comes of that "day lease" popcorn



You ain't got any rain? I don't want to rub it in then...,,,cause we have gotten hammered. Last weekend every tank was at the spill way been that way all year. Also bright green.


No protein on either ranch. Management is simple via age for us, next door age and 8pt over 120 and 10pt 125.

Top end on day lease is same as us mid to upper 50's but 70's isn't out of the question, and 60's gets killed about every two to three years. Now this year maybe a different story, it's not part of HOT anymore and they got 40guys on it as straight lease but all still bow. It actually will probably push a lot of deer to us.



Oh no, we have had the recent rains and the Summer rains. Tanks are full and we are about as green as I have seen it this time of year. Last 4 years has been spotty, but 2011 was the last great winter/spring rain season.


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2011 we where dust, we got good rains early this year. And your over 15 miles smile


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2011 we where dust


We were too...looked back and it was 2010 since our last great Spring



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I think 2011 was when are doe weights dropped 20%, don't think we killed any bucks that year


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I think 2011 was when are doe weights dropped 20%


I don't have our records here, but ours dropped too. Bucks even more than the doe and antler decline was amazing. It was sad when you cleaned one, not an ounce of fat on them. The buck in that pic was killed the next year and scored 137 7/8" if I remember correct.


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It was bad, we where feeding alaflafa that year just during fall and the where hammering it... Unfortunately same year alaflafa was over 400 a ton in places


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It was bad, we where feeding alaflafa that year just during fall and the where hammering it... Unfortunately same year alaflafa was over 400 a ton in places


Do you remember the price of hay? It was cheaper to ship it in from Mississippi...

Back to the topic...you are wrong rofl

And you ignored my statement...grin

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And you and STX know better than to age looking at the antlers trout


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This property is between Eden and Brady - around the Melvin area. We don't have a management strategy at all. My stepdad doesn't shoot a buck unless it will go on his wall, and he has some nice bucks. (The nicest I have seen off the property I would guess is a 140 class deer.) I am becoming the same way, but as I started hunting only 6 years ago, my standards aren't quite as high. I'm also not nearly as good judging deer - these forums help a ton there. nidea The crazy family members will shoot anything they see with antlers...

We had a relatively dry spring, but had some good summer rains. There is no supplemental feeding on the property, just corn feeders starting in mid August to get the deer coming through. About 150 acres of the 300 is in cultivation. It was in winter wheat last year, not sowed at the moment. 2011 was really bad, 2012 was pretty poor too if I remember correctly. But 2011 the pastures just looked barren...

This is the best I have ever seen our bucks look in the ~5 years I've been hunting - and that is the primary reason I am considering taking the spike. If he can't branch when all of the rest of our yearlings are looking good, well, he may not be what I want. juggle

I think the deer in our area have great potential - every year there are some nice 2.5 YO bucks taken. Its just the age/nutrition question. Other than bucks taken many years ago, I have never seen a 5.5/6.5 YO deer in the area.

I had already decided to let the 10 walk. There is a 90% chance somebody will shoot him this year, but it's not gonna be me. Like already said, if he can get a couple more years, he will be an absolute beast for this area. Those browtines keep getting me, hopefully he will still be around in a few years!


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We are neighbors:)


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It was bad, we where feeding alaflafa that year just during fall and the where hammering it... Unfortunately same year alaflafa was over 400 a ton in places


Do you remember the price of hay? It was cheaper to ship it in from Mississippi...

Back to the topic...you are wrong rofl

And you ignored my statement...grin

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And you and STX know better than to age looking at the antlers trout


I didn't base my thoughts off horns. STX tossed out brows. But he is right I've never seen a 2.5 with brows like that...until now smile

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2.5 on the ten. Don't think he is 3.5 from those pics.



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You got to remember Brady has had some of the best rains in the state last TWO years so they are real healthly. Buck crop this year is the best health I've seen since 2007. Should be some studs come out of there. Fawn crop is crazy, very heavy recruitment this year. That last pic I posted is western mason county, but only 30 miles as a crow files to the other deer in Brady. His body weight was much less then the western 4.5 year old or older Brady deer.

Eastern Brady has more of that mason/llano body types typical hill country, western Brady is large bodied, longer legs..more west Texas like. Western deer of Brady will out weight eastern by 20lbs plus at 6.5 usually some times more.

Op has a potential stud on his hands. Even if he is 3.5, what do you think that deer will be at 6.5.... Stud!!!



Don't see it and I am not far from you. What do you think the top end and management is like on the place that you are hunting compared to where he is hunting. What is the supplemental feeding program on your place like?

Like I said, I am not far from you and our rainfall has not been that great. This Summer and early fall has been good, but we had a record setting dry winter and rains started late in the growing season.

As far as brows go...two year olds can grow them or is he a 1.5....


And you and STX know better than to age looking at the antlers trout


He is not a yearling and with better pics might call him a scrawny 3 yr old looking at facial features and he was a spike his first year. bolt And grin luckly he put all his antler growth in those huge browtines cause he ain't got crap for other tine length, spread, beams or mass as a scrawny 3 yr old.


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You got to remember Brady has had some of the best rains in the state last TWO years so they are real healthly. Buck crop this year is the best health I've seen since 2007. Should be some studs come out of there. Fawn crop is crazy, very heavy recruitment this year. That last pic I posted is western mason county, but only 30 miles as a crow files to the other deer in Brady. His body weight was much less then the western 4.5 year old or older Brady deer.

Eastern Brady has more of that mason/llano body types typical hill country, western Brady is large bodied, longer legs..more west Texas like. Western deer of Brady will out weight eastern by 20lbs plus at 6.5 usually some times more.

Op has a potential stud on his hands. Even if he is 3.5, what do you think that deer will be at 6.5.... Stud!!!


That rainfall is really dependent on where you are standing in that county. I have buddy who has had 4 bad years for total rainfall and below average. He has had rainy periods but not a wet year that was above average. His tanks have not caught run off to fill the pit in that time period.
A lot will depend on the ranch in that county even as much as location from what I have seen. On those larger ranches east of Brady you will find larger bodied bucks that score very well. There are a couple of land owners that have some really great bucks east of town. One large LO has land all over the county. The best deer seen was seen close to Brady Lake on a helicopter survey about 4 yrs ago that was a typical 7x7 that would have grossed low 180's.
The deer in OP is a 3yr old IMO. I have seen very very few 2 yr olds that were LF deer or even native HF deer that had browtines that long. Is it possible... yes, probable... no. You also have to remember if that deer was born in the drought year and I mean bad drought year, he started life in a hole nutrition wise. He is lucky to have survived that year. That is why I am thinking his a 3 yr old also.

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2.5 on the ten. Don't think he is 3.5 from those pics.



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You got to remember Brady has had some of the best rains in the state last TWO years so they are real healthly. Buck crop this year is the best health I've seen since 2007. Should be some studs come out of there. Fawn crop is crazy, very heavy recruitment this year. That last pic I posted is western mason county, but only 30 miles as a crow files to the other deer in Brady. His body weight was much less then the western 4.5 year old or older Brady deer.

Eastern Brady has more of that mason/llano body types typical hill country, western Brady is large bodied, longer legs..more west Texas like. Western deer of Brady will out weight eastern by 20lbs plus at 6.5 usually some times more.

Op has a potential stud on his hands. Even if he is 3.5, what do you think that deer will be at 6.5.... Stud!!!



Don't see it and I am not far from you. What do you think the top end and management is like on the place that you are hunting compared to where he is hunting. What is the supplemental feeding program on your place like?

Like I said, I am not far from you and our rainfall has not been that great. This Summer and early fall has been good, but we had a record setting dry winter and rains started late in the growing season.

As far as brows go...two year olds can grow them or is he a 1.5....


And you and STX know better than to age looking at the antlers trout


He is not a yearling and with better pics might call him a scrawny 3 yr old looking at facial features and he was a spike his first year. bolt And grin luckly he put all his antler growth in those huge browtines cause he ain't got crap for other tine length, spread, beams or mass as a scrawny 3 yr old.


Someone done poked the bear


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