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Long Range guys.....NF ATACR ??? #5278058 08/29/14 11:35 AM
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My AR 6.5 Creed should be done in about 2 weeks and I started looking into scopes. My budget is around $2500. I really like the NF ATACR with either the MOAR or MOAR-T reticle. Has anyone shot through this scope or have one? Thoughts? I know this scope is a pig in the weight department. I don't think weight is going to be a big factor since it will be a long range shooter/blind hunting rifle.


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If you shoot a young deer because a neighbor will shoot it, you are that neighbor.
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I'll let you borrow the little scope that came with my son's Gamo. It think it will suffice out to 20 yards or so. Let me know if you want to try it out.
And with the money you'll save you can camo wrap the Prius! laugh

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I have no experience with the ATACR, but I'd like to check it out.

You have other options though.


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Wouldn't go MOA. Wouldn't go second focal plane.


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Other than being able to use the reticle at different powers, what does FFP give you? Seems when I shoot long range, the scope is on full power. Also, does it really matter if you dial for your dope?

What suggestions would you make?
Thx


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If you shoot a young deer because a neighbor will shoot it, you are that neighbor.
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Originally Posted By: Waylon A.
I'll let you borrow the little scope that came with my son's Gamo. It think it will suffice out to 20 yards or so. Let me know if you want to try it out.
And with the money you'll save you can camo wrap the Prius! laugh


I'll put Waylon's welding service stickers all over it smile


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If you shoot a young deer because a neighbor will shoot it, you are that neighbor.
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Originally Posted By: Tye
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I'll let you borrow the little scope that came with my son's Gamo. It think it will suffice out to 20 yards or so. Let me know if you want to try it out.
And with the money you'll save you can camo wrap the Prius! laugh


I'll put Waylon's welding service stickers all over it smile


Oh man! Now we're talking!
I keep waiting to see that thing with a lift kit, mud grips and a high rack on the back!

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Originally Posted By: Tye
Other than being able to use the reticle at different powers, what does FFP give you? Seems when I shoot long range, the scope is on full power. Also, does it really matter if you dial for your dope?

What suggestions would you make?
Thx


Dial elevation, hold wind. Yes max power is often used but not always. Low light, turn the magnification down. Unstable or semi-unstable position, turn magnification down. I may dial wind in when unstable, but not always. Therefore I want my reticle to be a mil at every magnification setting. They are the only types of scopes I use on centerfire rifles, which makes three scopes the pull duty on five rifles. Which brings us to a 20 MOA pic rail, and very good rings with a nut instead of a screw. Badger Ordinance, Talley Tactical and Burris Zee on the light recoil 22-250.


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FiremanJG likes the FFP's because (among other reasons) he's a tactical shooter and his shooting involves ranging targets of unknown distances (with the reticle) and because on the FFP this is a constant it makes things easier. I tried FFP and it wasn't for me. Guns like my 6XC make tiny little groups and the FFP reticle blocks out so much that it actually begins to affect my group size.

You can range with the SFP in the same manner, you just need to know the subtension/how the reticle is calibrated. I.e. if it's calibrated for 2 MOA between the hashmarks at 24x and you turn it down to 12, then the 2 MOA becomes 4 MOA and so forth. It's not difficult, it's just different. Depending on what you plan to do with the rifle, you might find that SFP will work better for you.

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I dont range with the reticle. Thats what range finders are for.

The reticle is for holding the correct wind adjustment. Dealing with the wind, which is always changing, is tough enough. Adding a calculation to the mix is not helpful.


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Fireman, what scopes do you run?


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Vortex Viper PST (weighs the least)
Bushnell Elite Tactical

Look into those as well as Nightforce F-1, and Vortex Razor


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Will do.

Thx


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I prefer sfp and moa.

Moa allows finer adjustments when shooting. Also sfp reticles while only correct at one mag the reticle is not near as thick at max magnification. Whatever you choose just get matching turrets and reticle. While this isn't a absolute it does make things much easier.


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I've got a Horus on my Accuracy international AE 308. It's a FFP. I'm kinda liking the ATACR. It has 120 MOA of elevation adjustment.


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The ATACR was built or geared more towards the extra long range guys. They prefer sfp due to the reticle being thinner.


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Originally Posted By: dee
I prefer sfp and moa.

Moa allows finer adjustments when shooting. Also sfp reticles while only correct at one mag the reticle is not near as thick at max magnification. Whatever you choose just get matching turrets and reticle. While this isn't a absolute it does make things much easier.


Not if the scope has .05 adjustments...

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I prefer sfp and moa.

Moa allows finer adjustments when shooting. Also sfp reticles while only correct at one mag the reticle is not near as thick at max magnification. Whatever you choose just get matching turrets and reticle. While this isn't a absolute it does make things much easier.


Not if the scope has .05 adjustments...


Which are a bit less common and more coarse than the more popular 1/8 moa that br and f class use.


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I prefer sfp and moa.

Moa allows finer adjustments when shooting. Also sfp reticles while only correct at one mag the reticle is not near as thick at max magnification. Whatever you choose just get matching turrets and reticle. While this isn't a absolute it does make things much easier.


Not if the scope has .05 adjustments...


Which are a bit less common and more coarse than the more popular 1/8 moa that br and f class use.


Wich have no place in dynamic shooting scenarios such as hunting.


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I prefer sfp and moa.

Moa allows finer adjustments when shooting. Also sfp reticles while only correct at one mag the reticle is not near as thick at max magnification. Whatever you choose just get matching turrets and reticle. While this isn't a absolute it does make things much easier.


Not if the scope has .05 adjustments...


Which are a bit less common and more coarse than the more popular 1/8 moa that br and f class use.


Wich have no place in dynamic shooting scenarios such as hunting.


How do you figure? Br and Texas style blind hunting have a ton in common. Both are shot from a comfortable sitting position.


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Should've been more specific.

Ground hunting, not over a feeder, unknown distance your quarry will give you a shot, maybe wind to correct for. Blind hunting is a bit more static, similar to BR as you mentioned.


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Unknown distance is what a rangefinder is for. Game are far to inconsistent in size to range with a reticle. Ground other than walking around everything is the same wind holds are the same elevation adjustment is the same. Position is just position if you don't have a solid front and rear rest then you shouldn't shoot at distance.


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Optics more than any other subject stir strong opinions and preferences, but most things are just that preferences and opinions - neither right nor wrong.

Go with what you like. With NF's, if you don't like it, it will resell for almost what you pay for it.

Having said that, SFP and MOA all the way for hunting in my preference.

Either Mil or MOA both work fine. With MOA, I can do math in my head and I use the reticle to measure antlers, and have found it to be pretty reliable.

I sold my Mil scopes (US Optics) and have all NF NXS' x56's with NP-R1 reticles. Really like them, and have used them to shoot pigs in the dark by moonlight with no other illumination.

Make sure to adjust the reticle illumination at home in a dark room. Very, very little light on the reticle works best so that the pupil does not constrict.

On low power, which is usually up close and/or in brush, the reticle is large and "thicker." At high magnification, it is thinner.

Never once have I been in a hunting situation in which I wished for a FFP instead.

Range with a LRF and everything else will be fine.

Between the MOAR and the MOAR-T, go with the -T.

The reticle on the MOAR is a bit thick, and especially so for paper punching.

Had one and sold it.

Have not laid hands on the ATACR, so cannot opine, but would be surprised if it is anything other than excellent.

Just used a friends new 2.5x10x42 NXS Compact and was very impressed. It is next on my shopping list.

It is an excellent size, with the feel of the full size NXS, and 100 MOA of elevation.

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