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Help me settle an argument
#5268831
08/24/14 01:23 AM
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ImTheReasonDovesMourn
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Snarky Mark
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Right now I'm arguing with an old man who thinks he knows everything. He seems to think that as long as he takes his wife dove hunting with him, he can shoot more than 15 doves LEGALLY because 2 people are holding guns. Even if she doesn't hit a single bird. Google didn't turn up anything. I need to know asap because we bet a bottle of Scotch and I want my McAllen.
Thanks THF!
Haha yea I polished that thing for hours.
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Re: Help me settle an argument
[Re: ImTheReasonDovesMourn]
#5268841
08/24/14 01:29 AM
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T Bone
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I really hate to do what I am about to do, because it will be very painful for you.
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Re: Help me settle an argument
[Re: ImTheReasonDovesMourn]
#5268857
08/24/14 01:40 AM
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BigAL33
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Enjoy your scotch! If you need someone to help you drink it, please let me know.
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Re: Help me settle an argument
[Re: ImTheReasonDovesMourn]
#5268867
08/24/14 01:48 AM
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ImTheReasonDovesMourn
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Snarky Mark
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Thanks fellas. Big Al, I'm gonna save you a glass.
Haha yea I polished that thing for hours.
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Re: Help me settle an argument
[Re: ImTheReasonDovesMourn]
#5268886
08/24/14 02:02 AM
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beaversnipe
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Right now I'm arguing with an old man who thinks he knows everything. He seems to think that as long as he takes his wife dove hunting with him, he can shoot more than 15 doves LEGALLY because 2 people are holding guns. Even if she doesn't hit a single bird. Google didn't turn up anything. I need to know asap because we bet a bottle of Scotch and I want my McAllen.
Thanks THF! Up the bet to a 45 ft containerload of scotch
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Re: Help me settle an argument
[Re: ImTheReasonDovesMourn]
#5268897
08/24/14 02:06 AM
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Kenneth1977
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He can but the fact of being honest comes in to play and if the GW was to ask her she might not lie for him.
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Re: Help me settle an argument
[Re: ImTheReasonDovesMourn]
#5268898
08/24/14 02:07 AM
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BOBO the Clown
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Thanks fellas. Big Al, I'm gonna save you a glass. Ask him if he is going to lie to a GW when he ask how many did he shoot?
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Re: Help me settle an argument
[Re: ImTheReasonDovesMourn]
#5268920
08/24/14 02:30 AM
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Slow Drifter
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Totally wrong, but I see his point. I pay registration on a vehicle. They don't care who drives it as long as the tag is paid. I have two vehicles. I can't drive them both at the same time, so why not let someone drive one for me, since it's paid for? I've paid for whatever taxes on two vehicles pay for, so why not fill two licenses if she isn't going to use hers? Better to use it than leave it in the driveway. Again, totally wrong, but I do see his point of view.
"I have no idea what WW-III will be fought with, but WW-IV will be fought with sticks and stones." A. Einstein
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Re: Help me settle an argument
[Re: ImTheReasonDovesMourn]
#5268956
08/24/14 03:00 AM
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Fooshman
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Not really but somewhat depends on the Warden.
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Re: Help me settle an argument
[Re: Slow Drifter]
#5268968
08/24/14 03:08 AM
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Hopedale
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Totally wrong, but I see his point. I pay registration on a vehicle. They don't care who drives it as long as the tag is paid. I have two vehicles. I can't drive them both at the same time, so why not let someone drive one for me, since it's paid for? I've paid for whatever taxes on two vehicles pay for, so why not fill two licenses if she isn't going to use hers? Better to use it than leave it in the driveway. Again, totally wrong, but I do see his point of view. Horse crap! Everyone he shoots he should put on his strap. Everyone she shoots she can do the same. If he shoots 30 birds in the same day, he's exceeded his limit. Enjoy your Scotch.
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Re: Help me settle an argument
[Re: Hopedale]
#5268993
08/24/14 03:46 AM
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Slow Drifter
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Totally wrong, but I see his point. I pay registration on a vehicle. They don't care who drives it as long as the tag is paid. I have two vehicles. I can't drive them both at the same time, so why not let someone drive one for me, since it's paid for? I've paid for whatever taxes on two vehicles pay for, so why not fill two licenses if she isn't going to use hers? Better to use it than leave it in the driveway. Again, totally wrong, but I do see his point of view. Horse crap! Everyone he shoots he should put on his strap. Everyone she shoots she can do the same. If he shoots 30 birds in the same day, he's exceeded his limit. Enjoy your Scotch. Ummmm....I was saying what he thinks is wrong, just explaining how I could see his reasoning. Did you miss the "Totally wrongs" at the beginning and ending of my post?
Last edited by Slow Drifter; 08/24/14 03:48 AM.
"I have no idea what WW-III will be fought with, but WW-IV will be fought with sticks and stones." A. Einstein
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Re: Help me settle an argument
[Re: ImTheReasonDovesMourn]
#5268998
08/24/14 03:53 AM
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Astater
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He can only shoot 15, no matter how many people/guns are joining him. I've seen a lot of people be dishonest on this one and I've seen some situations where it's near impossible to actually know who shot what.
The things we do for ducks... NRA Life Member Arkansas Game and Fish Commission Lifetime License/Member
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Re: Help me settle an argument
[Re: ImTheReasonDovesMourn]
#5269065
08/24/14 06:51 AM
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Sniper John
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I really don't see the analogy between a car registration and a hunting license. There are lots of times I too have experienced situations where it is near impossible to actually know who shot what or both hunters shot the same bird at the same time. By etiquette it is usually handed to the shooter with the least birds in the bag. But to buy a license for a family member for the intent of using their presence to allow one person to shoot a double limit is not the same thing and is totally illegal. On the TPWD Game Warden blotter there have been instances reported in the past of people cited for this when Wardens discovered it after talking to other hunters or family members in the field or in camp, especially the children who tend to innocently tell the truth. Trivia and another one that is rarely able to be enforced, did you know that birds you know you killed but can't find are supposed to count against your limit. I kinda sound like a Geico commercial. http://www.texashuntingforum.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/791097/
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Re: Help me settle an argument
[Re: Sniper John]
#5269148
08/24/14 01:28 PM
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Slow Drifter
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I really don't see the analogy between a car registration and a hunting license. In this scenario it's a perfect analogy. It's purely financial. The old man thinks since he paid for two limits he should be able to kill two limits. What does it really matter who killed them? Again I say, totally wrong and illegal, but I do see the logic behind his thinking. edited to add: OK, think of Pivo tickets. They can only sell 10 to an individual. You buy your ten, then buy 20 more from your non-drinking friends. 30 beers get drank by you. As long as the 30 beers were paid for, what does it matter who drank them? (just don't drive after that). See the logic? edited again: not even sure "drank" is a word....probably not.
Last edited by Slow Drifter; 08/24/14 01:41 PM.
"I have no idea what WW-III will be fought with, but WW-IV will be fought with sticks and stones." A. Einstein
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Re: Help me settle an argument
[Re: Slow Drifter]
#5269182
08/24/14 01:56 PM
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Booner1
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I really don't see the analogy between a car registration and a hunting license. In this scenario it's a perfect analogy. It's purely financial. The old man thinks since he paid for two limits he should be able to kill two limits. What does it really matter who killed them? Again I say, totally wrong and illegal, but I do see the logic behind his thinking. edited to add: OK, think of Pivo tickets. They can only sell 10 to an individual. You buy your ten, then buy 20 more from your non-drinking friends. 30 beers get drank by you. As long as the 30 beers were paid for, what does it matter who drank them? (just don't drive after that). See the logic? edited again: not even sure "drank" is a word....probably not. Drank is a word, you said it right. It is past tense for drink. lol. I hunt in another state for deer and the people there keep saying I have plenty of tags for deer even though the limit is 1 buck and 1 doe. Just because they have tags doesn't mean that I can shoot more than my limit and break the law.
Born to hunt and fish.
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Re: Help me settle an argument
[Re: Booner1]
#5269197
08/24/14 02:06 PM
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Slow Drifter
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Thanks! I get that!!! Just because my wife has a licence doesn't mean I can kill twice as many. I'm not saying shooting someone else's limit is legal or even "ok"!! Just saying I see the logic behind the old man's reasoning.
"I have no idea what WW-III will be fought with, but WW-IV will be fought with sticks and stones." A. Einstein
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Re: Help me settle an argument
[Re: ImTheReasonDovesMourn]
#5269207
08/24/14 02:14 PM
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Booner1
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Hey Slow, I was agreeing with your analogy, not attacking it. It's right along with the OP's old man shooting more than his limit question. The folks where I hunt think just like the old man. They think "hey I didn't get my deer yet so you can shoot it for me". Lol.
Born to hunt and fish.
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Re: Help me settle an argument
[Re: ImTheReasonDovesMourn]
#5269224
08/24/14 02:29 PM
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KYBLUEFAN
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You win but he can shoot more than 15 if he shoots ECDs. Or are they including those in your bag limit now?
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Re: Help me settle an argument
[Re: ImTheReasonDovesMourn]
#5269244
08/24/14 02:49 PM
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Sniper John
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A vehicle registration is not a license and an individual can register as many vehicles they want. Anyone with a drivers license and permission can legally drive the vehicle no matter who it is registered to. Your not breaking any laws or gaining anything extra by registering both vehicles in one persons name or two. Your pivo ticket would be a better example except that the op would only be breaking a rule, not a regulation or law. Futunately beers are not managed by the USFWS. You can legally shoot all of the beers you want.
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Re: Help me settle an argument
[Re: ImTheReasonDovesMourn]
#5269412
08/24/14 05:10 PM
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huntwest
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If a game warden watches him from a distance and he kills over his limit he will get a ticket period. Experience speaking here!
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Re: Help me settle an argument
[Re: Slow Drifter]
#5269428
08/24/14 05:26 PM
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BOONER
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I really don't see the analogy between a car registration and a hunting license. In this scenario it's a perfect analogy. It's purely financial. The old man thinks since he paid for two limits he should be able to kill two limits. What does it really matter who killed them? Again I say, totally wrong and illegal, but I do see the logic behind his thinking. edited to add: OK, think of Pivo tickets. They can only sell 10 to an individual. You buy your ten, then buy 20 more from your non-drinking friends. 30 beers get drank by you. As long as the 30 beers were paid for, what does it matter who drank them? (just don't drive after that). See the logic? edited again: not even sure "drank" is a word....probably not. I get what your saying Drifter.
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Re: Help me settle an argument
[Re: ImTheReasonDovesMourn]
#5269440
08/24/14 05:34 PM
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little nate
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he can and cant but if he gets stopped he can say his wife shot half but its not legal to shoot over your limit or ethical i can see him doing it but its like a loop hole but if hes spotted doing it then he is screwed. but its wrong and some what legal just frowned upon
Last edited by bird boy; 08/24/14 05:35 PM.
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Re: Help me settle an argument
[Re: ImTheReasonDovesMourn]
#5269500
08/24/14 06:17 PM
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Jacob645
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So, if I'm crappie fishing should I stop fishing if I've caught 25 keepers and there are two of us in the boat and the other guy has only caught 12? Or, should we both continue fishing until we hit 50?
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Re: Help me settle an argument
[Re: Jacob645]
#5269615
08/24/14 07:52 PM
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Txduckman
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So, if I'm crappie fishing should I stop fishing if I've caught 25 keepers and there are two of us in the boat and the other guy has only caught 12? Or, should we both continue fishing until we hit 50? What is your reply if the GW ask how many you caught?
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Re: Help me settle an argument
[Re: ImTheReasonDovesMourn]
#5269633
08/24/14 08:09 PM
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Simple Searcher
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I got your back brother, friend, buddy, neighbor!
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