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Help me settle an argument #5268831 08/24/14 01:23 AM
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Right now I'm arguing with an old man who thinks he knows everything. He seems to think that as long as he takes his wife dove hunting with him, he can shoot more than 15 doves LEGALLY because 2 people are holding guns. Even if she doesn't hit a single bird. Google didn't turn up anything. I need to know asap because we bet a bottle of Scotch and I want my McAllen.

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Enjoy your scotch! If you need someone to help you drink it, please let me know.

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Thanks fellas. Big Al, I'm gonna save you a glass.


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Originally Posted By: ImTheReasonDovesMourn
Right now I'm arguing with an old man who thinks he knows everything. He seems to think that as long as he takes his wife dove hunting with him, he can shoot more than 15 doves LEGALLY because 2 people are holding guns. Even if she doesn't hit a single bird. Google didn't turn up anything. I need to know asap because we bet a bottle of Scotch and I want my McAllen.

Thanks THF!



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He can but the fact of being honest comes in to play and if the GW was to ask her she might not lie for him.

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Originally Posted By: ImTheReasonDovesMourn
Thanks fellas. Big Al, I'm gonna save you a glass.


Ask him if he is going to lie to a GW when he ask how many did he shoot?


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Totally wrong, but I see his point. I pay registration on a vehicle. They don't care who drives it as long as the tag is paid. I have two vehicles. I can't drive them both at the same time, so why not let someone drive one for me, since it's paid for? I've paid for whatever taxes on two vehicles pay for, so why not fill two licenses if she isn't going to use hers? Better to use it than leave it in the driveway. Again, totally wrong, but I do see his point of view.


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Not really but somewhat depends on the Warden.

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Originally Posted By: Slow Drifter
Totally wrong, but I see his point. I pay registration on a vehicle. They don't care who drives it as long as the tag is paid. I have two vehicles. I can't drive them both at the same time, so why not let someone drive one for me, since it's paid for? I've paid for whatever taxes on two vehicles pay for, so why not fill two licenses if she isn't going to use hers? Better to use it than leave it in the driveway. Again, totally wrong, but I do see his point of view.


Horse crap!

Everyone he shoots he should put on his strap. Everyone she shoots she can do the same.

If he shoots 30 birds in the same day, he's exceeded his limit.

Enjoy your Scotch.



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Originally Posted By: Hopedale
Originally Posted By: Slow Drifter
Totally wrong, but I see his point. I pay registration on a vehicle. They don't care who drives it as long as the tag is paid. I have two vehicles. I can't drive them both at the same time, so why not let someone drive one for me, since it's paid for? I've paid for whatever taxes on two vehicles pay for, so why not fill two licenses if she isn't going to use hers? Better to use it than leave it in the driveway. Again, totally wrong, but I do see his point of view.


Horse crap!

Everyone he shoots he should put on his strap. Everyone she shoots she can do the same.

If he shoots 30 birds in the same day, he's exceeded his limit.

Enjoy your Scotch.



Ummmm....I was saying what he thinks is wrong, just explaining how I could see his reasoning. Did you miss the "Totally wrongs" at the beginning and ending of my post?

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He can only shoot 15, no matter how many people/guns are joining him. I've seen a lot of people be dishonest on this one and I've seen some situations where it's near impossible to actually know who shot what.


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I really don't see the analogy between a car registration and a hunting license. crazy
There are lots of times I too have experienced situations where it is near impossible to actually know who shot what or both hunters shot the same bird at the same time. By etiquette it is usually handed to the shooter with the least birds in the bag. But to buy a license for a family member for the intent of using their presence to allow one person to shoot a double limit is not the same thing and is totally illegal. On the TPWD Game Warden blotter there have been instances reported in the past of people cited for this when Wardens discovered it after talking to other hunters or family members in the field or in camp, especially the children who tend to innocently tell the truth.

Trivia and another one that is rarely able to be enforced, did you know that birds you know you killed but can't find are supposed to count against your limit.
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Originally Posted By: Sniper John
I really don't see the analogy between a car registration and a hunting license. crazy


In this scenario it's a perfect analogy. It's purely financial. The old man thinks since he paid for two limits he should be able to kill two limits. What does it really matter who killed them? Again I say, totally wrong and illegal, but I do see the logic behind his thinking.

edited to add: OK, think of Pivo tickets. They can only sell 10 to an individual. You buy your ten, then buy 20 more from your non-drinking friends. 30 beers get drank by you. As long as the 30 beers were paid for, what does it matter who drank them? (just don't drive after that). See the logic?

edited again: not even sure "drank" is a word....probably not.

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Originally Posted By: Slow Drifter
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I really don't see the analogy between a car registration and a hunting license. crazy


In this scenario it's a perfect analogy. It's purely financial. The old man thinks since he paid for two limits he should be able to kill two limits. What does it really matter who killed them? Again I say, totally wrong and illegal, but I do see the logic behind his thinking.

edited to add: OK, think of Pivo tickets. They can only sell 10 to an individual. You buy your ten, then buy 20 more from your non-drinking friends. 30 beers get drank by you. As long as the 30 beers were paid for, what does it matter who drank them? (just don't drive after that). See the logic?

edited again: not even sure "drank" is a word....probably not.


Drank is a word, you said it right. It is past tense for drink. lol. I hunt in another state for deer and the people there keep saying I have plenty of tags for deer even though the limit is 1 buck and 1 doe. Just because they have tags doesn't mean that I can shoot more than my limit and break the law.


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Thanks! I get that!!! Just because my wife has a licence doesn't mean I can kill twice as many. I'm not saying shooting someone else's limit is legal or even "ok"!! Just saying I see the logic behind the old man's reasoning.


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Hey Slow, I was agreeing with your analogy, not attacking it. It's right along with the OP's old man shooting more than his limit question. The folks where I hunt think just like the old man. They think "hey I didn't get my deer yet so you can shoot it for me". Lol.


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You win but he can shoot more than 15 if he shoots ECDs. Or are they including those in your bag limit now?

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A vehicle registration is not a license and an individual can register as many vehicles they want. Anyone with a drivers license and permission can legally drive the vehicle no matter who it is registered to. Your not breaking any laws or gaining anything extra by registering both vehicles in one persons name or two. Your pivo ticket would be a better example except that the op would only be breaking a rule, not a regulation or law. Futunately beers are not managed by the USFWS. You can legally shoot all of the beers you want. grin

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If a game warden watches him from a distance and he kills over his limit he will get a ticket period.
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Originally Posted By: Slow Drifter
Originally Posted By: Sniper John
I really don't see the analogy between a car registration and a hunting license. crazy


In this scenario it's a perfect analogy. It's purely financial. The old man thinks since he paid for two limits he should be able to kill two limits. What does it really matter who killed them? Again I say, totally wrong and illegal, but I do see the logic behind his thinking.

edited to add: OK, think of Pivo tickets. They can only sell 10 to an individual. You buy your ten, then buy 20 more from your non-drinking friends. 30 beers get drank by you. As long as the 30 beers were paid for, what does it matter who drank them? (just don't drive after that). See the logic?

edited again: not even sure "drank" is a word....probably not.


I get what your saying Drifter. up

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he can and cant but if he gets stopped he can say his wife shot half but its not legal to shoot over your limit or ethical i can see him doing it but its like a loop hole but if hes spotted doing it then he is screwed. but its wrong and some what legal just frowned upon

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So, if I'm crappie fishing should I stop fishing if I've caught 25 keepers and there are two of us in the boat and the other guy has only caught 12? Or, should we both continue fishing until we hit 50?

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So, if I'm crappie fishing should I stop fishing if I've caught 25 keepers and there are two of us in the boat and the other guy has only caught 12? Or, should we both continue fishing until we hit 50?


What is your reply if the GW ask how many you caught?

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