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Bad Call? #5234247 08/04/14 03:35 PM
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While out hunting this last weekend, I came across a rattler. This snake was gorgeous, was in about the 3.5 - 4 ft range in size.

I got out of the vehicle, took a good long look and a pic for the kiddos. Then I noticed he's not making a sound. I have already been advised the rattlers where I am hunting are doing what they are doing everywhere else they are having a pig problem. They are being quiet. I even went as far as tossing some pebbles at his head to see if he would. He stayed dead quiet.

Now this time I decided the snake was too pretty to kill. But I keep thinking about this: When the rattler is quiet, even when I'm messing with it purposely to get it to rattle, should this automatically put it on the hit list?

I don't think the snakes out here have an overwhelming population, and I was advised that it's up to my discretion on whether or not to kill them. On one hand, I didn't feel it was hurting anything at the time. On the other, I feel because it had alot of potential to do so being that quiet, maybe I should have.

What are everyone's thoughts on this?

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A dead rattler is better than a live rattler....I guess I am not very broadminded.

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I would have killed it, on my property we kill every snake we see. Not really a big deal that you let him go.

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From the Snake's point of view:

While out sunning this last weekend and not bothering anyone, a hunter crossed my path. This hunter was a pretty good size, and in about the 5.5 - 6 ft range.

I didn't pay too much attention, just took a good long look. Then I noticed he's not making a sound. I don't rattle anymore because I've found out that rattling can be hazardous to a snakes health when pigs are around. We are now being quiet, but then he even went as far as tossing some pebbles at my head to see if I would get excited. I stayed dead quiet, even though my first instinct was to move. My second instinct was to bite since I'm not bothering anyone. I'm not in a barn, the yard, or on the front porch, I was just sunning myself & minding my own business.

I finally decided the hunter wasn't worth messing with. But I keep thinking about this: When the hunter is bothering me by throwing rocks at me when I'm minding my own business, should this automatically put it on the hit list?

I don't think the hunters out here have an overwhelming population, and I was advised that it's up to my discretion as to whether or not to bite them. On one hand, I didn't feel it was hurting anything at the time. On the other, I feel because it had alot of potential to do so by throwing rocks, maybe I should have.

What are everyone's thoughts on this?

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Let them go, they eat rats.

Rats are far more likely to pose a health risk than a snake.

Outstanding reply HnF.

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Originally Posted By: Hunt n Fish
From the Snake's point of view:

While out sunning this last weekend and not bothering anyone, I a hunter crossed my path. This hunter was a pretty good size, and in about the 5.5 - 6 ft range.

I didn't pay too much attention, just took a good long look. Then I noticed he's not making a sound. I don't rattle anymore because I've found out that rattling can be hazardous to a snakes health when pigs are around. We are now being quiet, but then he even went as far as tossing some pebbles at my head to see if I would get excited. I stayed dead quiet, even though my first instinct was to move. My second instinct was to bite since I'm not bothering anyone. I'm not in a barn, the yard, or on the front porch, I was just sunning myself & minding my own business.

I finally decided the hunter wasn't worth messing with. But I keep thinking about this: When the hunter is bothering me by throwing rocks at me when I'm minding my own business, should this automatically put it on the hit list?

I don't think the hunters out here have an overwhelming population, and I was advised that it's up to my discretion as to whether or not to bite them. On one hand, I didn't feel it was hurting anything at the time. On the other, I feel because it had alot of potential to do so by throwing rocks, maybe I should have.

What are everyone's thoughts on this?

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Great response HnF!

Venomous snakes rarely get a pass from me. And one that didn't rattle would have been immediately snuffed. I've had too many close calls, and need all the warning I can get.


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I'd like to be nice guy here BUT he would have been a dead snake if I saw him and would have been dinner


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I don't believe rattlers don't rattle because of hogs.


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Originally Posted By: landsurveyor
I'd like to be nice guy here BUT he would have been a dead snake if I saw him and would have been dinner


....at least you plan on doing something with it! Hat band, belt, dinner - OK!


Originally Posted By: redchevy
I don't believe rattlers don't rattle because of hogs.


FWIW - I don't have an opinion one way or the other, but I think it's being looked at as a step up the evolutionary ladder. Brings up the question of whether a snake can have a "learned" response.


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Don't over think simple things in life. Whether you had killed him or not is going to have little to no effect on this world. I would have killed him just to eat him. I let the small ones go so I can kill them when they're bigger.


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With my nine and six-year-olds running around, that's a dead snake.

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Family land and leases I've hunted over the years have always had lots of youngsters running around. We were programmed to shoot venemous snakes on sight, regardless of where they lay. On a rock a mile from the barn today, under the porch a step away from striking someone tommorrow. Dead snake = good snake.

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Originally Posted By: redchevy
I don't believe rattlers don't rattle because of hogs.


I don't either. I hunt a place with no hogs and some rattle, some don't. Some are aggressive, some are passive.

I catch em, play with em and let em go. I have killed a few in the past but most get a pass. Don't blame people for killing them, just don't see the need unless they are around the house or camp, and then I relocate most the time.


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Sometimes snakes wont rattle for various reasons, cool weather, just fed, or just shed. If they are lethargic, they will take more provocation. I have caught 100's from dens on the Brazos river and other places, some get pizzed, just because your there and some come out of the hole between your legs and don't even say "hello".

As far as rattlers go, if I find one around the house or in a bad area, I will relocate it. Most snakes get that treatment but 2 where I live, Copperheads and Diamondback water snakes = instant trip to the morgue.


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Originally Posted By: Hunt n Fish
From the Snake's point of view:

While out sunning this last weekend and not bothering anyone, a hunter crossed my path. This hunter was a pretty good size, and in about the 5.5 - 6 ft range.

I didn't pay too much attention, just took a good long look. Then I noticed he's not making a sound. I don't rattle anymore because I've found out that rattling can be hazardous to a snakes health when pigs are around. We are now being quiet, but then he even went as far as tossing some pebbles at my head to see if I would get excited. I stayed dead quiet, even though my first instinct was to move. My second instinct was to bite since I'm not bothering anyone. I'm not in a barn, the yard, or on the front porch, I was just sunning myself & minding my own business.

I finally decided the hunter wasn't worth messing with. But I keep thinking about this: When the hunter is bothering me by throwing rocks at me when I'm minding my own business, should this automatically put it on the hit list?

I don't think the hunters out here have an overwhelming population, and I was advised that it's up to my discretion as to whether or not to bite them. On one hand, I didn't feel it was hurting anything at the time. On the other, I feel because it had alot of potential to do so by throwing rocks, maybe I should have.

What are everyone's thoughts on this?

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I will say I am partial to snakes. I've had a few as pets, starting with a type of red-tail boa that is now illegal to own. Got it as a hatchling and had it for quite some time. I've had other rand wild and store bought since as well.

My big concern here was what others have mentioned, and probably why I was so torn on the decision after the fact: my kids. I bring them with me pretty frequently. Thoughts of one of my children stepping on, and then getting bit by a silent rattler are what filled me with doubts about letting it live.

When I see the mixed answers here, it also makes me realize that I can kill every one I see if I want, but ultimately, I'm not going to be able to reduce their numbers low enough that I don't have to worry about it. Nor would I want to. I think I'll just work with the kiddos more on safety, do the obvious thing I should have done already, and make them wear guards if they are going to come tromping around with me.

I guess this means I'm going to have to lead by example and wear my guards more often though. Ugh. Damn things hold in enough heat to cook an egg on.


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Originally Posted By: Nakraik

I guess this means I'm going to have to lead by example and wear my guards more often though. Ugh. Damn things hold in enough heat to cook an egg on.


Snake boots are an alternative, and also more comfortable and more convenient, as well as good protection against grass burrs, cactus, and other thorny stuff.


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Size 14 Double wide. I'll look, but I have my doubts about finding them. I can barely strap the snake guards I have on, I have the straps let out all the way and still a very tight fit.


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That snakes don't rattle because of hogs is a MYTH. In Arizona, it is claimed they don't rattle because ranchers will kill them. The fact of the matter is that rattlesnakes do not always rattle. They never have. Just because they can rattle does not mean that they will rattle.


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Originally Posted By: Hunt n Fish
Originally Posted By: landsurveyor
I'd like to be nice guy here BUT he would have been a dead snake if I saw him and would have been dinner


....at least you plan on doing something with it! Hat band, belt, dinner - OK!


Originally Posted By: redchevy
I don't believe rattlers don't rattle because of hogs.


FWIW - I don't have an opinion one way or the other, but I think it's being looked at as a step up the evolutionary ladder. Brings up the question of whether a snake can have a "learned" response.


I don't think it's the e-ladder or learned. Each snake just has it's own personality. I've seen some that start rattling when you are still ten yards or more away and others that don't make a sound even if you're about to step on them.

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You'll never convince me that a snake has the learning capacity to figure these things out. Maybe it's a genetic trait and the ones that rattle are being weeded out. I don't know, but I really don't think they aren't rattling because they saw their buddy get shot.


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Originally Posted By: redchevy
I don't believe rattlers don't rattle because of hogs.

I don't either. "Genetic memory" and snakes teaching their young seems pretty far-fetched to me.

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