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Total lease cost $$$ #5219310 07/26/14 02:44 PM
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I hunt in Cooke county and recently was given an opportunity to take over an additional 900acres. Land owner wants $14,000 for the pasture. I put it in the "land and leases" portion on this site. Recently received some "hate" mail about the cost. But I shrugged it off due to My theory below.
Am I way off base here trying to justify what I pay to hunt? Do you guys see what I see? Or what other variables should be considered?

Deer lease in Brownwood: $1500
Miles from DFW: 165 one way/ 330 round trip(per mapquest).
Your truck gets 20mpg = 16.5gal fuel burn @ (Tx avg) $3.52/gal= $58.08
Drive time:2hrs 55min one way/ 5hrs 50min
Avg income in Tx according to Forbes $58,431 per year or $30.43/hr X 5hrs 50min= $182.59 value of your time.
(not including wear and tear on vehicle.

Total cost per trip to Brownwood,Tx deer lease $240.67

Deer lease in Gainesville $3500
Miles from DFW: 70 one way/ 140 round trip
Your truck gets 20mpg = 7gal fuel burn @3.52/gal = $24.64
Drive time: 1hr 10min one way or 2hr 20min $30.43/hr X 2.3hrs =$69.99 value of your time

Total cost per trip to Gainesville, Tx $94.63

A difference of $146.04 per weekend

Basically it takes 13.69 trips to break even. That might seem like a lot. BUT consider you go fill protein feeders maybe 3 times in the summer. Then hunt a couple weekends in Oct., 3 weekends in Nov, maybe 2 in Dec. throw in a few weekends of hog and turkey hunting and shazaam you are even money.

Thoughts?

Thank you,

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You're stretching it IMO. I don't consider my personal entertainment time as $ unless its unpaid leave. However I do consider the time it takes to drive and gas. I say if its ok with you then its all good. Its for our own personal enjoyment so enjoy. Good luck this season.


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Maybe it is a stretch! But driving to your deer lease is not productive in any way, shape, or form is it?

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Just curious never figured a deer lease this way. So how much is a pound of deer meet in Brownwood worth and one in cooke county worth?


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Originally Posted By: bigdavehunting
Just curious never figured a deer lease this way. So how much is a pound of deer meet in Brownwood worth and one in cooke county worth?


Same! However, a mature deer in Cook county will yield more pounds than one in Brown County... Most likely

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I don't see that by your figures. Leases are usually figured by the acre or by the hunter. Ex large parcels of land 5-8 dollars an acre, mid size is 8-12 an acre and small tracks by the gun. Brokers have run the price of leases up to 15 dollars and more an acre. I had two brokers tell me, "look at the money these guys make and they drive 60,000 dollar trucks bring in 3000 dollar blinds 1000 dollar feeders and 10-20,000 dollar atvs why shouldn't they pay 2500-5000 for the lease. If they won't, but they will, tell them to stay home. Its becoming a rich man sport." Great attitude isn't it. Its all on supply and demand. I feel your price should be based on what is being offered on the 900 acres? Does it have water and elect does it have a cabin or house. Tanks to fish, is it year round or seasonal free access? Lots of variables to look at. Can you get 14000, yes you can. Is it the money or is it the group you want? (NOT ALL) But the more your leasers pay the more they tend to feel they can treat it how ever they want. I base mine off of; can I afford what I believe its going to cost me for the year and am I willing to pay it? I've never paid more than 10 an acre. I have always tried to leave the place better than it was when I leased it. I use a deer lease for a deer lease not a try to impress Joe Lease. Good luck on leasing it and getting a good group you enjoy having.

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I have no idea what you're going on about, but what does it matter? If people don't like the price, tell them to bug off. They can go elsewhere.


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Just a friendly conversation Sneaky.


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I have no idea what you're going on about, but what does it matter? If people don't like the price, tell them to bug off. They can go elsewhere.

Dang who crawler up your but this morning lol
The thing to remember is that you hunt for a reason and that to 95% of the people here is to have the good times with there family and to me you can't put a price on that .......IE
When I was younger my parents would have rather have put all the money towards a lease than a vac that would have lasted a week and back then we paid about 2500 for the whole 500 acr with no one telling us what to shoot and no one saying you can't bring the familey ! Also I know the times have changed for the worse and this is what bugs me the most on what land owners want for a lease it has just got way out if hand for the average hard working man to the point where the high fence place have taken hold and offer what we used to pay for a year reduced to a week.
I just wish all the oil people in Houston would pick a different pass time because they are the ones that are driving the lease prices way out of control and if it's not them than it's the ones that want a company lease and can write it off on there taxes and not worry about the price and steal it from the every day hunter.
Sorry for the long rant but it is the way I feel and the main reason why me and my dad bought a place

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I'm in a fine mood. I just don't see any point in people whining about the price of something. If you don't like the price, look elsewhere. If he had it priced too high, then it won't sell, and he'll figure that out. It's a simple matter of supply and demand. To send someone hate mail over that is the epitome of petty.


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I also think some of y'all don't understand how inflation works.


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Oh I know
But lease prices have got out of hand and that is it you know as well as I do
I just has to mess with ya brother

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Yeah, they do cost more. Supply and demand. Not much can be done about it if we want to keep hunting.


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Originally Posted By: Kenneth1977
Oh I know
But lease prices have got out of hand and that is it you know as well as I do
I just has to mess with ya brother


Out of control? No they haven't, they are still very fair. 10-20dollars and acre compared to 1200-5k acre purchase price.

Your rant above is an excuse.

Less leaseable land today then there was 20 years, leasing has nothing todo with what profession you are in.

A Subarban 20 years ago was 27k, today 73k

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There is a value to having a lease close to a large city and the main benefit to the owner is more people looking. I don't think your price is out of line for the area, location and potential. All these morons complaining should go buy their own property and lease it to the lowest bidder.

I realize the cost of leases has risen, but so has the cost of land. I get access to some great hunting, fishing, ATV riding, horse backing, hiking, and camping land at a fraction of the cost. That land is probably worth more than I will make in my lifetime...I am not going to complain.


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If that's not high enough tell them there is one listed here in Sanderson for 5800 a gun!

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Oh I know
But lease prices have got out of hand and that is it you know as well as I do
I just has to mess with ya brother


Out of control? No they haven't, they are still very fair. 10-20dollars and acre compared to 1200-5k acre purchase price.

Your rant above is an excuse.

Less leaseable land today then there was 20 years, leasing has nothing todo with what profession you are in.

A Subarban 20 years ago was 27k, today 73k

Your really kidding right lol I guess it goes to show that no one that wants to hunt has a cule right
But the fact is I will own my land in the next three yerars and if i would lease it out I would say give me 2'g's and kill what you want within what I have set for the party

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Originally Posted By: txshntr
There is a value to having a lease close to a large city and the main benefit to the owner is more people looking. I don't think your price is out of line for the area, location and potential. All these morons complaining should go buy their own property and lease it to the lowest bidder.

I realize the cost of leases has risen, but so has the cost of land. I get access to some great hunting, fishing, ATV riding, horse backing, hiking, and camping land at a fraction of the cost. That land is probably worth more than I will make in my lifetime...I am not going to complain.
dude I think you need to just go have a cold beer and think about what ya said no one cares about your statement

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The more they can get for their lease the more power to them. If you don't want to pay then don't pay. Move on to the next place that is shot out and cheaper. Then come on here and complain about not seeing much. If they are to high then it won't lease but never seen it that way. There is more demand for a quality leases to hunt than there are quality lease available.



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Originally Posted By: Kenneth1977
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There is a value to having a lease close to a large city and the main benefit to the owner is more people looking. I don't think your price is out of line for the area, location and potential. All these morons complaining should go buy their own property and lease it to the lowest bidder.

I realize the cost of leases has risen, but so has the cost of land. I get access to some great hunting, fishing, ATV riding, horse backing, hiking, and camping land at a fraction of the cost. That land is probably worth more than I will make in my lifetime...I am not going to complain.
dude I think you need to just go have a cold beer and think about what ya said no one cares about your statement


Case in point up


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So for the sake of asking, what is the original acreage priced at & size before the 900ac was brought into the conversation?

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Oh I know
But lease prices have got out of hand and that is it you know as well as I do
I just has to mess with ya brother


Out of control? No they haven't, they are still very fair. 10-20dollars and acre compared to 1200-5k acre purchase price.

Your rant above is an excuse.

Less leaseable land today then there was 20 years, leasing has nothing todo with what profession you are in.

A Subarban 20 years ago was 27k, today 73k

Your really kidding right lol I guess it goes to show that no one that wants to hunt has a cule right
But the fact is I will own my land in the next three yerars and if i would lease it out I would say give me 2'g's and kill what you want within what I have set for the party


What!!!!!! you're not going to charge 500 dollars to lease out the whole thing.... you dont say....

Damn metal building builders are buying up all the hunting land for themselves.....makes about as much sense as blaming oil field jobs.

If one really wants to hunt, you can find a away. Not that hard. Ironically some of the biggest deer in TX come off public land.

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I don't get the OPs factoring either, cost of those leases aren't even mentioned in the figures.

Doesn't matter though, as already stated, supply and demand. If a LO can get his price, that is his concern for the aggravation he is willing to accept. IMO, all leases are too high from the perspective of meat gain. It would be much cheaper and easier to buy beef at your market, or raise a calf. Pure meat hunters have many options to harvest meat as well.

The market will control lease prices, same with anything. Being too high is a matter of perspective. a guy pulling 6 figures with a small business will see it from his perspective, as will a fellas only pulling in 20k a year.

I guess it comes down to how much value you put into a articular lease, and value is purely subjective.


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So what ya have to offer
Stxmann what ya want to offer where is your ranch at ?? I have never asked

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Originally Posted By: txshntr
There is a value to having a lease close to a large city and the main benefit to the owner is more people looking. I don't think your price is out of line for the area, location and potential. All these morons complaining should go buy their own property and lease it to the lowest bidder.

I realize the cost of leases has risen, but so has the cost of land. I get access to some great hunting, fishing, ATV riding, horse backing, hiking, and camping land at a fraction of the cost. That land is probably worth more than I will make in my lifetime...I am not going to complain.
dude I think you need to just go have a cold beer and think about what ya said no one cares about your statement


Case in point up

Dude go get with your woman and go shopping you are such a couch tator you need to look for something else

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