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camp vs. official scores #5204153 07/16/14 09:49 PM
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honestly not trying to stir the pot, but this is a reality worth talking about. smile I propose that 90% or more of camp scores are way over what an official score would be.

I'm not even talking about outfitters, because it is just par for the course they will always put their best inch forward. laugh

I have a proper 1/4" metal tape and when I camp measure my game, I honestly try to be accurate as possible. I have also had the guides and others in camp field measure my game.

NEVER has my score or the camp score been less than the official score! percentage wise I guess on average the official score is about 5% less. that doesn't seem like much until you turn it into inches and then it becomes 6, 7, 8"+

I think EVERYONE that is happy to share their scores should also get their game officially scored. I respect people where score doesn't matter, but if you are bragging about the score, then it should be accurate.

I have never been on a trophy bonus type hunt, but for guys that have, are the measurements accurate when every extra inch is a bunch more money for the outfitter? what happens when you get home and official score is 10" less? if when I'm scoring and trying to be honest I add a few inches, imagine guys getting paid for inches.

I have never entered a contest, but I imagine they are closer to accurate than camp scores.

for reference what real gross scores look like in pictures, I will share some I've had officially scored. FYI, I was personally off the most, scoring my deer and mom's 6" more each. Taylor on the Mule Deer was pretty darn close. Mike on the Aoudad never scored them, we just guesstimated.

141 2/8" Gross



147" Gross



167 1/8" Gross



23 1/8-23 2/8 (85 7/8 SCI)



25-24 1/8 (87 SCI)



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I'm lucky enough to have a county biologist that drops by to measure all the bucks on our Ranch, so I don't really have to deal with inaccurate "camp scores". Most guy's just don't know the proper process and mathematics. They'll measure the wrong spots and it's easy to forget to take deductions. Plus, to get an accurate score you really need a measuring cable, 1/4 inch tape and a yardstick.

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We have had many of ours scored and on average, our "camp score" came in 2" low confused2

On my dad's 189", we scored it at 187". We have only been over on a few, but I think alot of that has to do with seeing it done officially over and over. Scoring deer with an official scorer and scoring alot of deer. But hell, I have been wrong before grin

Pictures are dang hard to tell from. I have seen 130" deer look like mid 140's and seen mid 140's that look like 125".


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Originally Posted By: txshntr
We have had many of ours scored and on average, our "camp score" came in 2" low confused2

On my dad's 189", we scored it at 187". We have only been over on a few, but I think alot of that has to do with seeing it done officially over and over. Scoring deer with an official scorer and scoring alot of deer. But hell, I have been wrong before grin

Pictures are dang hard to tell from. I have seen 130" deer look like mid 140's and seen mid 140's that look like 125".


I should add that I do agree with the OP. There are alot of people that do not know how to score and measure from the wrong place. We measured the main beams wrong for many years. One of the main areas that I see people mess up is the mass measurements and measuring the tines from the middle of the main beam.


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I usually place stated scores as "suspect". not to take away from a persons harvest, but understand many are as txshntr says (done incorrectly)

I have never really cared much about score, "spose" I should, but have only had one measured as a lease requirement under the game management premise. If I like the animal, that is usually enough, if I hunted for score, probably would never harvest much LOL.


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Who cares about a score?

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We have had many of ours scored and on average, our "camp score" came in 2" low confused2

On my dad's 189", we scored it at 187". We have only been over on a few, but I think alot of that has to do with seeing it done officially over and over. Scoring deer with an official scorer and scoring alot of deer. But hell, I have been wrong before grin

Pictures are dang hard to tell from. I have seen 130" deer look like mid 140's and seen mid 140's that look like 125".


I should add that I do agree with the OP. There are alot of people that do not know how to score and measure from the wrong place. We measured the main beams wrong for many years. One of the main areas that I see people mess up is the mass measurements and measuring the tines from the middle of the main beam.

I agree with that and if you get a buck that you feel you need to score then your prolly going to be a little on the shackey side and miss it by a little .I will be the first to say i usually under score but rarely over score .

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Official scores from official scorers can vary as well......

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Thought 165 on the MD so there's little reason for me to pick up a tape on them if see one on the hoof...stir

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I have had Mule Deer I killed scored by the outfitter and then I scored for myself later that night. On both of them one was 5" more and the other was 4" more on his scoring. I always quote my score on them and he still quotes his. In all of the deer I guided and scored for hunters I can only think of 2 that I got more than the official score was by an 1" on both. I always tried to get as close as I can when I take my time and use the steel cable/tape. My difference and what the official scorers score will be in the mainbeams almost everytime. They get a bit more than I do most of the time.



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Originally Posted By: stxranchman
I have had Mule Deer I killed scored by the outfitter and then I scored for myself later that night. On both of them one was 5" more and the other was 4" more on his scoring. I always quote my score on them and he still quotes his. In all of the deer I guided and scored for hunters I can only think of 2 that I got more than the official score was by an 1" on both. I always tried to get as close as I can when I take my time and use the steel cable/tape. My difference and what the official scorers score will be in the mainbeams almost everytime. They get a bit more than I do most of the time.


That's because you measure from the wrong place grin


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Official scores from official scorers can vary as well......

This ^^^^^. I have seen a guy take his buck to 2 different official B&C scorers and get 2 different scores. The difference was a point on the end of the mainbeam that one call a drop tine and the other called the end of the main beam that had turned down. Made a huge difference in the net score and a small difference in the gross.



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I have had Mule Deer I killed scored by the outfitter and then I scored for myself later that night. On both of them one was 5" more and the other was 4" more on his scoring. I always quote my score on them and he still quotes his. In all of the deer I guided and scored for hunters I can only think of 2 that I got more than the official score was by an 1" on both. I always tried to get as close as I can when I take my time and use the steel cable/tape. My difference and what the official scorers score will be in the mainbeams almost everytime. They get a bit more than I do most of the time.


That's because you measure from the wrong place grin

Not really it is how they follow the middle of the beam around to the tip compared to how I followed what I called the center of mass on the mainbeam to the tip.



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Even in the perfect world of B&C scorers where they are trained to be accurate and the same you still can get a variance in final scores. There are still some official scorers that were known for being a bit more lenient on their final scores than others.



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Even in the perfect world of B&C scorers where they are trained to be accurate and the same you still can get a variance in final scores. There are still some official scorers that were known for being a bit more lenient on their final scores than others.


Very true. There are some deer that have to go to a "committee" before the "official score" is entered in the books.


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What is really bad is that with the internet and how to videos that some guys still grossly over score their deer. While pictures are very hard to judge from and can make a deer look bigger or smaller than he really is. There have been bucks posted on here with their scores are no where near what is posted. Same for some that are bigger than what they are scored.



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Even in the perfect world of B&C scorers where they are trained to be accurate and the same you still can get a variance in final scores. There are still some official scorers that were known for being a bit more lenient on their final scores than others.


Very true. There are some deer that have to go to a "committee" before the "official score" is entered in the books.

What really gets tough is on Nontypical points on deer and where they originate off the beam or another point as to how you score the point. I watched an official B&C scorer dwell on a point off the beam where a G2 would be for almost 20 minutes. He was calling it typical one minute and non typical the next. Seen split browtines that could or should have both points scored off the mainbeam. I will always side on being safe and only score one off the beam unless it is obvious.



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Even in the perfect world of B&C scorers where they are trained to be accurate and the same you still can get a variance in final scores. There are still some official scorers that were known for being a bit more lenient on their final scores than others.


Very true. There are some deer that have to go to a "committee" before the "official score" is entered in the books.

What really gets tough is on Nontypical points on deer and where they originate off the beam or another point as to how you score the point. I watched an official B&C scorer dwell on a point off the beam where a G2 would be for almost 20 minutes. He was calling it typical one minute and non typical the next. Seen split browtines that could or should have both points scored off the mainbeam. I will always side on being safe and only score one off the beam unless it is obvious.


I would be absolutely lost on some of the non-typicals.


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Even in the perfect world of B&C scorers where they are trained to be accurate and the same you still can get a variance in final scores. There are still some official scorers that were known for being a bit more lenient on their final scores than others.


Very true. There are some deer that have to go to a "committee" before the "official score" is entered in the books.

What really gets tough is on Nontypical points on deer and where they originate off the beam or another point as to how you score the point. I watched an official B&C scorer dwell on a point off the beam where a G2 would be for almost 20 minutes. He was calling it typical one minute and non typical the next. Seen split browtines that could or should have both points scored off the mainbeam. I will always side on being safe and only score one off the beam unless it is obvious.


I would be absolutely lost on some of the non-typicals.

Should have tried to score this buck. I considered my self lucky to be under 2" on my score than what the official B&C scorer who scored it for TBGA got. You should have seen the look on his face when I showed up for him to score this. The "official" deer contest score was 5" or 6" more than mine. Deer contest scores always seem to be high IME since they have nothing but upside for having more deer for people to look at on their contest pages. Some are closer to actual scores than others also.






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What does the score taste like? lol

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Originally Posted By: txbobcat
What does the score taste like? lol


Success!!! rofl


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Originally Posted By: txbobcat
What does the score taste like? lol

Crow a lot of times for some sick



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What does the score taste like? lol

Crow a lot of times for some sick


haha

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