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Decking Boards #5123045 05/22/14 04:48 PM
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Looking to replace boards on an existing deck and was wanting to get away
from pressure treated lumber for something else. That something else
being composite, or some form of a hardwood (ipe). Anyone have experience
with either? Pro/cons? Thanks in advance.

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you can use composite or if you want to get exotic look for mahogany, mahogany is cheaper than redwood most of the time.


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Home Depot or Lowes type stores all sell composite decking lumber. It comes with a hefty price tag but will be lower to maintain and last longer. It comes in a few colors and widths. 1"x6"x16' will cost from $1.80/ft and up. Price depends on quality of the lumber.



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x2 on choice deck. Had a deck around our pool for 8 yrs. Stuff still looked like new when I removed it. for my 20x30 slab and cedar structure

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i build decks for a living, been goin back to jobs 10 years old, all the fastners are failing, galvanized nails acq approved are rusting to nothing, deck screws acq approved same thing. we dont know what to do.
anyway cedar decking fairly cheap and a lot better than treated. composites nice, is very hot in the sun and scratches way to easy. ive done very few hardwoods such as ipe, cant say how they hold up.



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I put treated pine on our deck, it's a balcony made of steel so I used "trailer screws" which were $.28 each and I had to use about 800 of them, talk about unplanned expense! Anyway, I installed the boards snug and they still shrunk so they are almost 1/2" space between boards. I couldn't justify the composite boards, but now I'm wishing I had after screwing in all those dang screws. My deck is 16' x 20'.

Here's a pic of trailer screw if you haven't seen one.


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If you go with a composite or anything besides wood check into the hidden clips that they install with.


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Foam or metal deck pans with a shallow concrete slab on top... It works very well, I'd recommend looking into it. The weight isn't that much different than many of the composite decking that is out there. Ipe is very nice but you'll need to pre-drill for each fastner depending on the fasteners and it takes more maintenance than expected but it does look great, as you may know many use it as a substitute for teak.

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i build decks for a living, been goin back to jobs 10 years old, all the fastners are failing, galvanized nails acq approved are rusting to nothing, deck screws acq approved same thing. we dont know what to do.
anyway cedar decking fairly cheap and a lot better than treated. composites nice, is very hot in the sun and scratches way to easy. ive done very few hardwoods such as ipe, cant say how they hold up.


NEVER use galvanized, cheap way out. Stainless steel is the only way to go. A bit more money, but longevity and quality outweigh the cost.


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you can use composite or if you want to get exotic look for mahogany, mahogany is cheaper than redwood most of the time.



that is ipe, not mahogany

I've built a lot of decks, stained and sealed 100X as many. I will offer this advice.

If you HAVE to have a deck, I would use composite. Trex Accents and Evergrain are two good ones. Trex Makes one with a PVC layer that looks like IPE' and is very pricey, but very good. There are a few good composites, lots of bad ones.

Barring that, Cedar would be my next choice, only in a 2x6 cut. 5/4 board sucks. I would hand pick my boards to get the most heartwood I could.

Hardwood looks nice, IPE holds up but it greys out quickly, if you want to keep it looking like it does in the pictures, you will have to stain every 6 months.

Tiger wood, Red Balau, Angel wood, all are interior woods not designed for outside use, stay away from them.


if you can avoid building a deck, and get a flagstone patio or just a concrete slab, you will be infinitely happier.

when I would price them out for customers and show them the price of the flagstone vs. price of a cedar deck after staining it for two years, it was a no brainer

We were doing salt finished concrete slabs with infused color for the price of a treated pine deck.

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i build decks for a living, been goin back to jobs 10 years old, all the fastners are failing, galvanized nails acq approved are rusting to nothing, deck screws acq approved same thing. we dont know what to do.
anyway cedar decking fairly cheap and a lot better than treated. composites nice, is very hot in the sun and scratches way to easy. ive done very few hardwoods such as ipe, cant say how they hold up.


NEVER use galvanized, cheap way out. Stainless steel is the only way to go. A bit more money, but longevity and quality outweigh the cost.


cant get stainless nails, not gun nails anyway. we frame with a gun, then screw our decks down. stainless deck screws might be in our future.



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you can use composite or if you want to get exotic look for mahogany, mahogany is cheaper than redwood most of the time.



that is ipe, not mahogany

I've built a lot of decks, stained and sealed 100X as many. I will offer this advice.

If you HAVE to have a deck, I would use composite. Trex Accents and Evergrain are two good ones. Trex Makes one with a PVC layer that looks like IPE' and is very pricey, but very good. There are a few good composites, lots of bad ones.

Barring that, Cedar would be my next choice, only in a 2x6 cut. 5/4 board sucks. I would hand pick my boards to get the most heartwood I could.

Hardwood looks nice, IPE holds up but it greys out quickly, if you want to keep it looking like it does in the pictures, you will have to stain every 6 months.

Tiger wood, Red Balau, Angel wood, all are interior woods not designed for outside use, stay away from them.


if you can avoid building a deck, and get a flagstone patio or just a concrete slab, you will be infinitely happier.

when I would price them out for customers and show them the price of the flagstone vs. price of a cedar deck after staining it for two years, it was a no brainer

We were doing salt finished concrete slabs with infused color for the price of a treated pine deck.


i agree concrete or flag stone is the way to go however sometimes its not an option, these houses around here have their back doors some 4 to 14 ft in the air.



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Well, after much thinking, i'm getting quotes on composite and concrete slab/stamped. First composite quote I got
was ball parked at 12k and he said that concrete will be much less (but he doesn't work with concrete). Maybe I should
get in the decking business, because my project isn't all that big.

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where you located



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i build decks for a living, been goin back to jobs 10 years old, all the fastners are failing, galvanized nails acq approved are rusting to nothing, deck screws acq approved same thing. we dont know what to do.
anyway cedar decking fairly cheap and a lot better than treated. composites nice, is very hot in the sun and scratches way to easy. ive done very few hardwoods such as ipe, cant say how they hold up.


NEVER use galvanized, cheap way out. Stainless steel is the only way to go. A bit more money, but longevity and quality outweigh the cost.


cant get stainless nails, not gun nails anyway. we frame with a gun, then screw our decks down. stainless deck screws might be in our future.



Sure you can. Manasquan stainless nail supply. Texas Tool Traders can get them. That's all I allow my crews to use on exterior decks and boat docks to avoid the problems you are having.


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where you located


I'm in McKinney.

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you can use composite or if you want to get exotic look for mahogany, mahogany is cheaper than redwood most of the time.



that is ipe, not mahogany

I've built a lot of decks, stained and sealed 100X as many. I will offer this advice.

If you HAVE to have a deck, I would use composite. Trex Accents and Evergrain are two good ones. Trex Makes one with a PVC layer that looks like IPE' and is very pricey, but very good. There are a few good composites, lots of bad ones.

Barring that, Cedar would be my next choice, only in a 2x6 cut. 5/4 board sucks. I would hand pick my boards to get the most heartwood I could.

Hardwood looks nice, IPE holds up but it greys out quickly, if you want to keep it looking like it does in the pictures, you will have to stain every 6 months.

Tiger wood, Red Balau, Angel wood, all are interior woods not designed for outside use, stay away from them.


if you can avoid building a deck, and get a flagstone patio or just a concrete slab, you will be infinitely happier.

when I would price them out for customers and show them the price of the flagstone vs. price of a cedar deck after staining it for two years, it was a no brainer

We were doing salt finished concrete slabs with infused color for the price of a treated pine deck.


i agree concrete or flag stone is the way to go however sometimes its not an option, these houses around here have their back doors some 4 to 14 ft in the air.


no you are 100% correct, not every house is appropriate for a slab, look at the houses north of 1604 in stone oak and leon springs, and Sonoma Ranch area, walk out the back door and its a 12ft drop to the ground.


Me personally, I would pony up the Dough for a Trex Accents Composite or a Top of the line Evergrain with the PVC shell, or I wouldn't have a deck.

if I had a large, flat area I would consider IPE but I'm sure I would tire of pressure washing and staining it every 6 months.

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This is a little off topic, but how would IPE work as cabinet doors in a covered outdoor kitchen? Where can I find IPE in 1 x4" or 1x 6 around Fort Worth?

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This is a little off topic, but how would IPE work as cabinet doors in a covered outdoor kitchen? Where can I find IPE in 1 x4" or 1x 6 around Fort Worth?

Don't know why it wouldn't work. Not sure of any places around the DFW area that have it.

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This is a little off topic, but how would IPE work as cabinet doors in a covered outdoor kitchen? Where can I find IPE in 1 x4" or 1x 6 around Fort Worth?


i think old cedar fence boards would look better, do them on a 45dg angle. rustic would look nice



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going to bring this back to the top ...

we are seriously looking at building a deck off our back porch, approximately 10'x40' but I (like others) are hesitant to use treated lumber or even the premium deck boards (probably route due to price) but cost is a big driver at the moment. My wife is into property management and has a work crew that is coming into a very light period of work, no one could touch their price for all the framing and set up. My wife would prefer some composite deck top though ... just how much difference is the price of composite over premium deck boards???


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treated deck boards are under a 1.00 a lf, cedar is a little over a 1.00 lf composite about 2.70 a lf.
so a 12ft composite deck board is around 32 bucks a
12ft treated deck board is around 10 bucks



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thanks!

what about durability? how often do you need to stain or seal with the deck boards? cedar?


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stain and seal 2 times the first year then it depends how much weather it sees and how much sun probably every 2 maybe 3 years. doing it right the first time helps a lot. cedar has a mill finish that needs to be removed first so it can really soak up the stain. only smooth cedar as in the deck boards have a mill finish or glaze, rough cedar does not.



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This is a little off topic, but how would IPE work as cabinet doors in a covered outdoor kitchen? Where can I find IPE in 1 x4" or 1x 6 around Fort Worth?


i think old cedar fence boards would look better, do them on a 45dg angle. rustic would look nice


We have used the cedar fence boards, but they weren't old



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