were they breaking any laws or just not hunting the way you wanted them to?

What he said.

Before AR's were first adopted, a season never passed when you would not hear someone say that the hunting would never get better until people "stop shooting any buck they see." Antler restrictions have been the best solution yet at making that happen.

AEB its obvious u know nothing about hopkins co. Lived and hunted on same property for 26yrs now so i think that makes me a little more informed than you. PROVE ME WRONG. i wouldnt ever make a statement like yours about u if the regs werent working for you.

I too have hunted the same property and from the same blind for over 25 years and have seen a decline in numbers since the start of AR's. There are no more mature bucks killed now than there were before ARs. Exactly how many years does it take for them to work? You can't take a county in East Texas that was 1 buck and 0 doe and take it to 2 buck and 2 doe and expect it to maintain. And the folks that think they are great could not care less about our real-world experiences with them. They would rather speculate from half way across the state. As long as they like them to heck with everybody else.

Question- why should those that like them have to suffer because of those that don't?

IMO if it were a public vote ARs would not be in favor. Too many hunters who do or will not understand management or aging deer. The majority would rather shoot and not worry. Human nature is to be selfish, why worry about the future or your neighbors deer when this one is front of you. The same thing is going on with water laws. People in the city's water yards 12 times a week while farmers wells are running dry. Human nature and history show us that unless we take the time to educate and learn about conservation the majority just don't care enough to think beyond today or there own future.

TPWD put the law in place because of research not because its popular or not. If TPWD biologist didn't' think it would help they wouldn't do it. Like most laws and regulations especially hunting and fishing there is room for interpretation by officers and citizens. The lines are fuzzy because your judging a live animal in most cases from 100 yards away. There was thread here recently about a game warden making an obvious exception to ARs because the buck needed to be shot and the hunter was honest and forthright. Anyway just my two cents.

Question- why should those that like them have to suffer because of those that don't?

I ask this question to just about everyone I talk to about hunting weather it be a friend or passing though a random feed store or what have you.... it would win a popular vote... I never want it to be taken out of our county or any around it

The same folks would shoot 14-15" wide 2yos and act as if they were somehow better for waiting a yr. They can still do it and quite a few do bc they have problems eating tag soup.

You might be right. Who knows? I sure wish they would do it so we could see what the people really want.

I 100% agree with you. I also think it should be voted on by each county.

Absolutely it should be at each County and not a blanket vote for all.

and I probably know some where it wouldn't...your point?

Yours?

I don't think there is going to be enough popcorn to go around.