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Why don't city Song Dogs sing? #4099532 03/05/13 12:07 AM
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I've noticed this phenomena over the years and thought I'd get some theories from the collective THF brain trust.

I lived adjacent to or near Bear Creek park in Grapevine for over a dozen years, and know for a fact it has a resident pack of coyotes. I've seen them and have them on game camera.
And now I live in Argyle on several acres, and have game cam pic's of multiple yotes prowling my property. But I've never heard these suburban coyotes "sing" at night.

Yet when I go to the hunting lease or spend a night out at the ranch, I get serenaded without fail. Is there a reason coyotes don't communicate this way in a suburban environment? confused2


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Re: Why don't city Song Dogs sing? [Re: dkershen] #4099542 03/05/13 12:11 AM
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because of the noise ordinances, the cops are likley to ticket them after 10pm??

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Re: Why don't city Song Dogs sing? [Re: Redneck Messiah] #4099567 03/05/13 12:28 AM
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It used to be the same in the Hill Country and areas where the had lots of sheep and goats. I think all the years of trying eradicate them made the ones left keep quite. The only way they would howl was when you hit sirene to call cattle or was EMS vehicle on the highway with sirens on. Could also be less numbers of them had some effect also. It could be the howling at night has a lot to do with territory and communications among them on ranches. Might be they are just alerting each other as to where they will be hunting so the competition for food is less.


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Re: Why don't city Song Dogs sing? [Re: stxranchman] #4099637 03/05/13 12:53 AM
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They got civilized.


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Re: Why don't city Song Dogs sing? [Re: hook_n_line] #4099666 03/05/13 01:06 AM
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The ones in Dallas will sing if a fire truck is blaring at dusk. That's the only time I hear them. My friend hears them directly behind their house but it is a green belt that feeds into White Rock. They are spotted regularly on my street.

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Hear them pretty often here in Houston. I'm thinking they stay in the woods around Memorial Park/Buffalo Bayou.

Re: Why don't city Song Dogs sing? [Re: rifleman] #4099953 03/05/13 02:45 AM
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i hear them all the time when im fishing at grapevine

Re: Why don't city Song Dogs sing? [Re: SwampHunterFw] #4100111 03/05/13 03:40 AM
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If they arent singing, its because they have adapted to keep quiet. Perhaps the loud ones have been shot/runoff/whatever, and the quiet ones stick around because they are "stealthy" for lack of a better term. no one/nothing knows they are living amongst a populated environment, so they are left alone (out of sight, out of mind).

Its just another form of natural selection, like the rattlesnake/hog theory. Rattlesnakes that rattle make noise, thus get eaten by hogs. Rattlesnakes that keep quiet are less likely to be eaten by hogs, thus forming a population of rattlesnakes that dont rattle.


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Re: Why don't city Song Dogs sing? [Re: ishootspoonies] #4100175 03/05/13 04:01 AM
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Originally Posted By: ishootspoonies
If they arent singing, its because they have adapted to keep quiet. Perhaps the loud ones have been shot/runoff/whatever, and the quiet ones stick around because they are "stealthy" for lack of a better term. no one/nothing knows they are living amongst a populated environment, so they are left alone (out of sight, out of mind).

Its just another form of natural selection, like the rattlesnake/hog theory. Rattlesnakes that rattle make noise, thus get eaten by hogs. Rattlesnakes that keep quiet are less likely to be eaten by hogs, thus forming a population of rattlesnakes that dont rattle.


I'm thinking the same thing. Also think the higher concentration of domestic dogs has a part in it. Maybe all the non-coyotes joining in causes confusion and renders howling sessions a bad communication vehicle.


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Re: Why don't city Song Dogs sing? [Re: dkershen] #4100364 03/05/13 06:42 AM
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I think they still sing... it's just louder in a city... and you can't hear them from as far away.

Re: Why don't city Song Dogs sing? [Re: AmoCuernos] #4100416 03/05/13 11:33 AM
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I'm in south Arlington and have em at my back gate and walking down my sidewalk and I hear em singing late when it starts to get quite at night.

Re: Why don't city Song Dogs sing? [Re: cmc] #4100625 03/05/13 01:52 PM
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I guess Corsicana is not a "city" because ours sing like crazy around the house-keeps all the dogs stirred up too....


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Originally Posted By: Redneck Messiah
because of the noise ordinances, the cops are likley to ticket them after 10pm??

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I still like this answer.


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Originally Posted By: Nogalus Prairie
I guess Corsicana is not a "city" because ours sing like crazy around the house-keeps all the dogs stirred up too....


I think that happens around here and you cannot tell what is a yote after a while. The dogs think they can sound like them.

Re: Why don't city Song Dogs sing? [Re: Txduckman] #4100894 03/05/13 03:13 PM
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I grew up in the city and you didnt ever hear them like we do at the ranch, but if you were outside late at night ou could here them every now and again.

At the ranch they start 5 min after sunset and quit after im asleep.


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The city yotes prefer rapping these days.

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I've heard them in Dallas. I think its a combination of other noises drowining them out and the yippin yote = dead yote theory.

Re: Why don't city Song Dogs sing? [Re: Tim9880] #4105949 03/07/13 12:09 PM
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Ours howl at night in Richardson, we're in a VERY Quiet area near Rowlett creek. I think the other noises may drown out the sound in some areas.


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I live off Matlock in SE Arlington... I hear them when the wind is out of the south. Usually see 1-2 a year in the neighborhood..... people think its the neighbors dog digging in their trash!


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They are too depressed to sing. I would be if I lived in a city.

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In my neck of the woods I am woken up to them 2-3 times a night yippin n yappin n hollerin n howlin.

How can you expect them to sing when they are surrounded by sub woofers in cadillacs and grand marquis'? Those poor dallas yotes dont know what they listenin to!!

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They might not know the words to the song....... lol35


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Re: Why don't city Song Dogs sing? [Re: Sneaky] #4108247 03/08/13 07:42 AM
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They move to the city, get lazy, collect welfare checks from the government and vote democrat!!! grin


They probably just learned to stay quiet for survival!!!


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I hear them all the time in Wylie


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I live in Colleyville and see them traveling the railroad tracks behind my house every month or so. I've only heard them howling a handful of times in the 5 years we've lived there, but then again I'm not outside much at home like at the lease.

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