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Swaro Scope with Ballistic Turrets #4078237 02/24/13 02:58 AM
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Does anybody have any experience or feed back with this product?

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I have a friend that switched his Swaro BRX reticle scopes over to the Ballistic Turrets. He really likes them now. I was thinking of doing Swaro on the .280 I have after talking to him about the ballistic turrets.


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The new ballistic turrets are pretty nice very simple to use. Buddy picked one up and I played with it out to 400

Will be my next scope, and trying to find out if I can send my z3/av and get them added


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Originally Posted By: BOBO the Clown
The new ballistic turrets are pretty nice very simple to use. Buddy picked one up and I played with it out to 400

Will be my next scope, and trying to find out if I can send my z3/av and get them added

Should be able to is what my buddy told me. He sent his scopes back. He has his turrets on his Z-6's for his 300RUM and 22-250 made to 700 yds more or less depending on the caliber. He did some of his other Swaros also just not sure which scopes they were.


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Glad to hear this

Re: Swaro Scope with Ballistic Turrets [Re: Brother in-law] #4078617 02/24/13 07:59 AM
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Got 2 Z5s.
Great results.
Easy to use.

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Have a z5 3.5-18 and love it. I have two custom turrents for 0ft elevation and 10k foot.

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something you may like is the swaro reticles on the z5 are real fine


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Re: Swaro Scope with Ballistic Turrets [Re: mustafa] #4088614 02/28/13 04:28 AM
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Have a Z6 2.5-15 with the target turrets, very nice and repeatable. With the current setup can get to almost 900 yards from it and the 6.5-284. One thing the cross hairs are very fine in this scope, great for targets but almost too fine for very dim light shooting at hogs.


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Re: Swaro Scope with Ballistic Turrets [Re: kmon1] #4089248 02/28/13 03:15 PM
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Mil or MOA turrets are ballistic turrets. What's wrong with those?


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Re: Swaro Scope with Ballistic Turrets [Re: FiremanJG] #4089414 02/28/13 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Mil or MOA turrets are ballistic turrets. What's wrong with those?


New Swaro is lower profile and can be pre set to any caliber or have custom turret made.


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Re: Swaro Scope with Ballistic Turrets [Re: BOBO the Clown] #4089664 02/28/13 05:50 PM
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Custom turret made? Based on what information? BC, MV, zero range, conditons at zeroing including Baro, Temp, Humidity, Density Altitude, Altitude?

All of those factors need to be known when zeroing then when they change it must be factored in when shooting distance. Most effecient bullets will be consistant up to 500 yards no matter the difference in conditions from zeroing conditions. However, if you live in most parts of Texas except the panhandle you need to factor those conditions. So if you zero at home and decide to go on an antelope hunt north of Amarillo or an elk hunt anywhere elk live, your turrets will not be correct anymore. The conditions out west allow bullets to fly more effeciently.

Custom made turrets are a way for scope manufacturers to part the uneducated from their money. When you are in Mils or MOA you adjust atmospherics for your current conditons and you now have a correct hold or elevation dial for your conditions, not the conditions the day you zeroed the rifle. I've seen this in action with .22-250, .308, .260, 7 Rem Mag, 7 Short Mag.

Heck last weekend my .260 that is usually supersonic to 1450 yds (at home) was supersonic to 1550 yards in the morning and that increased as the temp and DA increased. More importantly my dope for 600 to 1230 changed. So the dope used in the morning wasn't the same that afternoon due to environmental conditions changing.

You want custom turrets? Buy some of the small sticky arrows and attach them to a Mil or MOA turret. Label them for what ever increment you want.


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Re: Swaro Scope with Ballistic Turrets [Re: FiremanJG] #4089695 02/28/13 06:11 PM
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Ok its a hunter friendly turret system. Not your 1200 yard sniper turret. And a lot more accurate then ballistic reticles

The factory turret is easily changed or adjusted

but there are mfg's that will make turrets for different elevations etc, he has two1000'
And 9000'

The one I played with was on a 270wby and it was a simple adjustement from 1-600yards. I took it 100-400 yards and no problem keeping it in a 5" circle at 400. Think my group was actually 4.75....my cousin group was 5" at 600 yards



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"Custom turret made? Based on what information? BC, MV, zero range, conditons at zeroing including Baro, Temp, Humidity, Density Altitude, Altitude? "


Yes
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I was just trying to make a suggestion. It may work fine, but those of us that are serious distance shooters use Mil or MOA, most are in Mil. A Mil is a Mil no matter where on the planet you go, and ballistic calculators speak in Mils or MOA so adjusting for your location and current condition takes seconds.

I am a hunter. I got into long range shooting via predator hunting with a .22-250. I wanted to learn how to make a solid kill as far as I could see the coyote, the rest snowballed. When I am practicing I am making myself a more effective hunter. I get much satisfation out of killing hogs and coyotes farther than most hunters can. Through December and January my kills were on coyotes at 400 yds, 335 yds, 445 yds, and a hog at 300. Just because our military kills men at distance, with Mils, doesn't mean we can't kill varmints and hogs at distance with the same system.

Please don't think I'm bashing on your product. I am simply trying to show you what I and thousands of other hunters think is a better way. Take that as you wish, sir.


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Re: Swaro Scope with Ballistic Turrets [Re: FiremanJG] #4089760 02/28/13 06:43 PM
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Not my product......I wish I owned swaro.... cause if I did we would be having lots of fun.

As I said its a very simplistic turret system that is easily adjusted.

You can use as moa if you want


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While on the Swaro topic what does the Zero point adjustment mean i have a Z3 4x12x50. First one i ever could afford love it.


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^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Returnable to zero with a hard stop. On the Swaro target turrets you take the turrets off, zero the scope than put them on. The rings you drop on from your calculated/or shot dope for the different yardages with a nice color dot and raised portion to indicate yardage. Nice setup for sure.


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Much better system for hunters than MIL/MOA for under 600 yards.

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Returnable to zero with a hard stop. On the Swaro target turrets you take the turrets off, zero the scope than put them on. The rings you drop on from your calculated/or shot dope for the different yardages with a nice color dot and raised portion to indicate yardage. Nice setup for sure.


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On the regular turret. If you pull up on it it frees it up and you can move the moa hashes to zero. Then push it back down and it has clicks/moves reticle again


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Originally Posted By: bhtkevin
Much better system for hunters than MIL/MOA for under 600 yards.


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Based on what information? I can guarantee you Swaro uses Mils or MOA at their facility then dumbs down the turrets for "hunter friendly" turrets. What do the Hunters Of Men use? Mils.

It is nothing more than a trig function. The farther away from the rifle the more vertical distance the Mil or MOA represents. It is very easy to convert to inches (if you're curious), but you can't see inches in a scope only the trig function if Mil or MOA. Once someone learns how to use one or the other they never use anything else.

I've taken enough hunters/ shooters out that have been doing it longer than I've been alive and see them become very proficient using Mils or MOA in a few hours. They made shots tighter than they thought they could and much farther than they ever have before.

I have 5 hunting rifles all wearing a Mil/ Mil scope. It is not rocket surgery to use one.


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in a hunting situation would you rather turn to the appropriate color or figure out mils? which do you think would take longer.
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Much better system for hunters than MIL/MOA for under 600 yards.


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Based on what information? I can guarantee you Swaro uses Mils or MOA at their facility then dumbs down the turrets for "hunter friendly" turrets. What do the Hunters Of Men use? Mils.

It is nothing more than a trig function. The farther away from the rifle the more vertical distance the Mil or MOA represents. It is very easy to convert to inches (if you're curious), but you can't see inches in a scope only the trig function if Mil or MOA. Once someone learns how to use one or the other they never use anything else.

I've taken enough hunters/ shooters out that have been doing it longer than I've been alive and see them become very proficient using Mils or MOA in a few hours. They made shots tighter than they thought they could and much farther than they ever have before.

I have 5 hunting rifles all wearing a Mil/ Mil scope. It is not rocket surgery to use one.


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I don't have to figure out Mils. I did that first, by inputting the data into a calculator. I use one that is free www.jbmballistics.com/trajectory I have "Shooter" on my phone, and now I have a Kestrel 4500 with Horus ballistics. I figured out the Mils based on the calculator, took calculated trajectory and confirmed it on the range. Adjust as needed. By adjust, if calculated does not match actual field trajectory, DOPE, you increase or decrease MV or BC.

I also have a printed charts in 25 yard increments. Looks like this.

Yards Elevation (Mils)

50 .3
75 0
100 0
125 0
150 .1
175 .3
200 .4
225 .6
250 .7
275 .9
300 1.1
325 1.2
350 1.4
375 1.6
400 1.8
425 2.0
450 2.3
475 2.5
500 2.7

I could go on well past a half mile with this. This is the trajectory for today's conditions. If the temp and DA increase it will be slightly different, and it is noticed around 400 yards.

No, I would not dial to a color that is an approximate. The scope has numbers on the turrets, it isn't hard to dial to a number. One won't take longer than the other, but I can assure you I have a much smaller margin for a botched shot.

Saturday I was hunting with a friend. We were on a hillside and glassing for hogs and coyotes in west Texas. He spotted a hog, I found it in the scope, I said "range it" he reported 300 yards. I was already dialed for 530 yards (2.7 Mils), I dialed down to 300 yards (1.0 Mil), got a sight picture on a walking hog, and made the shot right where I wanted it. That all took a few seconds. 99.9% of the time I hunt alone. I glass with my range finder, I range the animal, I dial to the corresponding Mil setting and make red mist. I've taken 4 animals in two months doing this very thing. Nothing less than 300 yards.


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it would still be easier to turn the dial to red


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