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Re: Im switching broadheads
[Re: bjankowski]
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11/16/11 04:44 PM
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Navasot
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Iv seen what rage can do and have never herd much complaint...i shoot Stinger fixed blades myself but if your wanting a pass through every time id back off that sholder and pop those lungs...thats the sweet spot
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Re: Im switching broadheads
[Re: Navasot]
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11/16/11 04:52 PM
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bjankowski
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The first time my little buddy Rloving saw what my 220 gn Muzzy Phantoms did to a buck he told me it looked like the exit wound of a 270 .. That's all he shoots now too.
No defection on them either like I've seen on mechanicals; but at the end of the day it's what you like because that will give you confidence, and with bow hunting you need every advantage you can get.
Dance with the one that brung ya!
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Re: Im switching broadheads
[Re: SPITFIRE125]
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11/18/11 06:31 PM
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Bwana83
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Do y'all not have issues with fixed broadheads shooting inconsistently? If your bow is tuned properly it should shoot any broadhead like a fieldtip. Problem is your bow should shoot a broadhead like your broadhead because after all no one is hunting with fieldtips if that makes sense. This isn't completely true. If you shoot a fixed blade from a very fast bow (chronograph says 318fps when I let one fly) the fixed blades act as wings of a plane and it will sail. My bow has been tuned and I even took it to a second shop to have it double checked. It will not shoot fixed blades consistently despite being perfectly in tune. That's why I shoot spitfires. Love them and I shoot a lot of deer as well (MLD permits). I also have not shot rage but two separate buddies of mine have had one not fully deploy and get almost zero penetration when it did so.
Last edited by Bwana83; 11/18/11 06:33 PM.
A mature buck might be a deer, but you can bet it's a totally different animal
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Re: Im switching broadheads
[Re: Bwana83]
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11/18/11 07:43 PM
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6InARowMakeItGo
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Until and IF I have a problem its the 2 blade rage for me....
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Re: Im switching broadheads
[Re: 6InARowMakeItGo]
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11/18/11 07:50 PM
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passthru
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I've heard of bows that will not shoot a fixed blade head. Never seen it if it was tuned properly but I will take your word for it. I would get a different bow.
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Re: Im switching broadheads
[Re: passthru]
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11/18/11 08:01 PM
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Bwana83
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I've heard of bows that will not shoot a fixed blade head. Never seen it if it was tuned properly but I will take your word for it. I would get a different bow. Lol both bow shops said the same thing till they looked it over and watched me shoot. Bow shoots great all the way out to 60 yards were I stack arrows on top of each other. It's the law of physics. At a certain speed over a given surface area you WILL have lift. Tuning has nothing to do with it as far as my particular case goes.
Last edited by Bwana83; 11/18/11 08:07 PM.
A mature buck might be a deer, but you can bet it's a totally different animal
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Re: Im switching broadheads
[Re: Navasot]
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11/22/11 01:26 AM
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LockhartHunter
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Iv seen what rage can do and have never herd much complaint...i shoot Stinger fixed blades myself but if your wanting a pass through every time id back off that sholder and pop those lungs...thats the sweet spot I got the lungs, he was quartering away.
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Re: Im switching broadheads
[Re: Bill Waldschmidt]
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11/24/11 09:14 AM
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OUTDOORSMAN81
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Do y'all not have issues with fixed broadheads shooting inconsistently? If your Bow is tunned right, arrows spined right and if you have over 15% front of center (FOC) your setup will shoot any broad head and field point of the same weight in the same spot. The FOC is important cause it controlls any planing/lift that you get from the fixed blade. The more FOC the greater the control. think of how darts for a dart board work. example take a pencil glue fletchings on it. The FOC minimal. Try and trow it and get it to stick. Now take a dart that has a great amount of FOC. toss it and it flies straight. Same principal applies to yoru arrows. If you are going with replacable blades I reccomend slick tricks. If you are going with solid one piece go with montecs. If you want the most durable never fail go with ABS, Maasai or their Samurai. They cost more But I have killed several animals with the same broadhead and arrow with no damage. 100% pass through on all animals I have shot. No matter what bone I hit.
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"Dont design a broadhead for when everything goes right, design a broadhead for when everything goes wrong." Dr. Ashby
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Re: Im switching broadheads
[Re: OUTDOORSMAN81]
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11/24/11 09:38 PM
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sn8kfarm
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FWIW, I was using Spitfires and had 100% pass through on my Muley this year.
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Re: Im switching broadheads
[Re: sn8kfarm]
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12/12/11 03:49 PM
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Scott.Str
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I love my slick tricks. Seem to work well for me even when I have a bad shot. Quartering away complete pass threw and makes a good looking exit hole I think.
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Re: Im switching broadheads
[Re: Scott.Str]
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12/12/11 05:15 PM
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casterbuster
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Magnus "Lifetime Warranty" enough said
Seek first to understand... before trying to be understood
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Re: Im switching broadheads
[Re: FoxTrot]
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12/12/11 06:44 PM
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PrimitiveHunter
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I'm probably the only guy here that has ever shot these broadheads but when I started bowhunting in the late 70s, the Razorback5 was a big deal. When people talk about broadhead penetration, this is what I can add to the story. The first deer I shot was a small buck at 16 yards. I was standing beside a tree in the early morning light when he went by. When I shot, I couldn't (or didn't) see the fine brush between us. When I released, he went spreadeagle and was dead within a couple of minutes. The arrow had deflected on the brush and gone right through his right hip socket; separating it completely. It continued across and cleanly severed his left leg bone about an inch below that hip socket. In the process, it severed his femoral artery. Bad shot? Yes. Lucky shot? Yes. But any broadhead that will go through one hip socket and then completely sever a thigh bone (looked like it was cut with a saw), and not even have a nick in a blade is pretty tough. Now that I shoot a longbow with cedar shafts, I shoot the Wensel Woodsman. Be careful if you Google them. Just looking at one is dangerous.
Practice doesn’t make perfect. Practice makes permanent.
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Re: Im switching broadheads
[Re: PrimitiveHunter]
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12/12/11 09:21 PM
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Spondoly
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Dang PrimitiveHunter, that Google advice is funny, I'll be careful, you must be a nice guy with humor like that. Sounds like we would have fun hunting together.
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Re: Im switching broadheads
[Re: Spondoly]
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12/13/11 12:13 AM
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100 grain Thunderhead at 28 yards.
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Re: Im switching broadheads
[Re: passthru]
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12/15/11 02:27 AM
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Wigsplttr
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Guy at my bowshop turned me onto two blade razorbacks and they are awesome and accurate. Had pass through on a 400# hog at 35 yds. The head swivels
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Re: Im switching broadheads
[Re: Wigsplttr]
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12/15/11 02:28 PM
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JDShellnut
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I just got back into bowhunting after a couple years of laying off of it due to any injury. After hearing so much about slick tricks I decided to give them a try so I bought a pack of 100 grain grizz tricks. Shooting them out of my SR71, 360 grain arrow at 292 fps at 60lbs. Shot a deer last wednesday and pulled the shot a little too far forward and hit the leg/shoulder joint on the off side breaking the hell out of it and sticking in it. Entry hole like the one above and of course no exit. Deer ran about 60 yards and piled up. My friend who processed it has the broadhead and I haven't seen it yet but he says one blade looks at little bent. If one blade is just a little bent after sticking in the joint sounds like it held up pretty good to me.
That's the extent of my broadhead knowledge. Used to shoot muzzy 3 blades. Never had a problem with them either. Been kicking around the idea of trying grim reapers but haven't decided yet.
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Re: Im switching broadheads
[Re: JDShellnut]
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12/15/11 10:29 PM
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stxhunter
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This year I've used the grim reaper 1 3/4 cut with great results. None of the animals that I've shot (2 hogs one javi) have gone more than 40 yrds. I've gotten complete passthroughs shooting 62lbs with a 29" draw. I also like the slick trick mags as they leave massive holes, fly well, and are very durable. As for the rage, it seems like you either love them or hate them. When they work, it seems like they are the best head on the market and everyone raves about them. When they fail, they fail miserably and everyone shares their disgust with them! I have no reason to switch to rages and probably never will. Check out this video you guys might like it:
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Re: Im switching broadheads
[Re: stxhunter]
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12/17/11 02:27 PM
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John Smith
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I shoot traditional and use a bear deadhead made in the 50's. Been offered a hundred dollars a piece for them but I would not take a thousand. Complete pass throughs at 25 yards. It is a two blade Fred Bear used and it will definitley smoke um.
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Re: Im switching broadheads
[Re: John Smith]
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12/19/11 03:25 PM
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I shot Bear Razorheads for a few years. Accurate, dependable and deadly. They just didn't always leave a good blood trail with just a slit for entry and exit, especially on a fatter animal. Always got passthru performance though.
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Re: Im switching broadheads
[Re: passthru]
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12/19/11 03:31 PM
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bjankowski
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To me it's easier to list the bad ones, there are a lot of good broad heads on the market today. It's all about a well placed shot. Not even the best broad head is going to do squat unless you put it in the right place.
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Re: Im switching broadheads
[Re: bjankowski]
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12/19/11 04:06 PM
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Yeah but a well placed shot with a bad broad head will probably kill the animal. Will you be able to find and add it to the freezer is as or more important. A profuse blood trail at night or in inclement weather can make the difference between recovery and regret.
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Re: Im switching broadheads
[Re: passthru]
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12/19/11 06:52 PM
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bjankowski
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I tell you what the problem is with broad heads is there are tons of new bow hunters each year. Most dont have a clue of what works or how to use it. Most get their information from hunt shows that are sponsored by a certain company (been there done that). I miss having the freebies from Archery companies, but I feel good now knowing that if I recommend something its because I trust in it completely and not because I have a special interest. I only like and use cut on contract broad heads; they have never failed me. There are a lot of them on the market; as long as they have the width they will leave a blood trail. That is the main reason I dont like mechanical broad heads, anytime there is a moving part it is subject to a malfunction.
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Re: Im switching broadheads
[Re: bjankowski]
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12/20/11 11:27 PM
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Re: Im switching broadheads
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12/21/11 10:57 PM
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KODIAK
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Primitive hunter you aren't alone. I still have a new set of the razorbak 5's in that orange plastic box they came in. For me I,ve switched to 125 muzzy's and have never had an issue. I live on Kodiak Island and have hunted and killed almost all of Alaskan Game with them including our HUGE Kodiak Brown Bears. They are all complete passthrus. Mountain Goats are extremely tough too, but proper shot placement through PATIENCE is the key. I would NEVER shoulder shoot a Brownie with any broadhead!! You double lung em and they are DEAD! they just don't know it yet. Shoot what works for you. If you are not getting pass thrus on deer with Rage broadheads I would definately switch.
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Re: Im switching broadheads
[Re: KODIAK]
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12/22/11 02:48 AM
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kyle1974
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KISS..... rage are not simple.
I've shot 12 or 13 animals with them, and only had 3 complete pass throughs. All the others resulted in the deer either running off with the arrow and breaking it without an exit, or in some cases the arrow coming back out of the entrance hole.
I'm just staying with slick tricks, they shoot well out of my bow, and I get a pass through almost every time.
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