texashuntingforum.com logo
Main Menu
Advertisement
Affiliates
Advertisement
Newest Members
GingerFredMan, ECBwHntr, christianhay, NM13, GWallace
70563 Registered Users
Top Posters(All Time)
dogcatcher 110,641
bill oxner 91,416
SnakeWrangler 64,118
stxranchman 60,258
Gravytrain 46,950
RKHarm24 44,585
rifleman 44,461
BMD 41,241
Forum Statistics
Forums46
Topics615,980
Posts11,409,852
Members85,563
Most Online19,184
Feb 5th, 2020
Print Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2
Crying Wolf #2650676 10/11/11 01:34 PM
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 4,706
E
Elkhunter49 Online Content OP
Extreme Tracker
OP Online Content
Extreme Tracker
E
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 4,706
Hey folks I just watched a documentary on the reintroduction of wolves into yellowstone park. It was made by a young man from Montana and he
does an excellent job of exposing the enviromentalist true agenda behind the wolves reintroduction. It's 1 hour long but it's worth the time to see what is really going on with some of these wacko groups in our country.
If it's a repost I'm sorry as I missed it the first time. Baker

http://www.cryingwolfmovie.com/



A true friend reaches for your hand but touches your heart.
Re: Crying Wolf [Re: Elkhunter49] #2650683 10/11/11 01:38 PM
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 56,719
BOBO the Clown Online Content
kind of a big deal
Online Content
kind of a big deal
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 56,719
Putting this on my watch list for tonight



Donate to TX Youth hunting program.... better to donate then to waste it in taxes

https://secure.qgiv.com/for/gtgoh/mobile
Re: Crying Wolf [Re: BOBO the Clown] #2651229 10/11/11 04:28 PM
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 46,950
G
Gravytrain Offline
THF Celebrity
Offline
THF Celebrity
G
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 46,950
Very interesting, thanks.



Upon us all, upon us all, a little rain must fall
Re: Crying Wolf [Re: Gravytrain] #2651249 10/11/11 04:33 PM
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 5,056
H
Hooligan Offline
THF Trophy Hunter
Offline
THF Trophy Hunter
H
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 5,056
awesome video






Militavi Non Sine Gloria
Re: Crying Wolf [Re: Gravytrain] #2651252 10/11/11 04:34 PM
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 17,909
TurkeyHunter Online Content
THF Celebrity
Online Content
THF Celebrity
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 17,909
I've been to Yellowstone a couple of times and believe it is an amazing place. The wolves are sure interesting to watch. They helped clean up issues with sickness in the elk population in Yellowstone and have helped balanced out other things in the park.

Some crazy folks get all wacked out about enviro issues for sure.

However, I'm happy Yellowstone has wolves. Yes I know that's controversial with the surrounding ranchers. Ranchers should also have the right to shoot wolves on their property.

But should every predator in the USA be exterminated? Should wolves be made extinct?



To be determined
Re: Crying Wolf [Re: TurkeyHunter] #2651672 10/11/11 06:57 PM
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 4,706
E
Elkhunter49 Online Content OP
Extreme Tracker
OP Online Content
Extreme Tracker
E
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 4,706
Wolves absolutly have a place in the natural environment. When left uncontrolled they will quickly reduce natural prey and turn to other sources (cattle,sheep,horses...). If you watched this young mans film you would see what a devastating effect the wayyyyyyyyyy overpopulated wolf numbers in Yellowstone have had on Elk,Moose,Buffalo and domestic cattle numbers in Montana,Wyoming and Idaho.
When I began hunting Elk in the late 1970's the top elk hunt in North America was the migration hunt north of Yellowstone every December. It was common to see over a 1000 Elk a day from one vantage point. The state of Montana has now cancelled the hunt completely because of the low number of elk left in the park. It's really a shame that clueless environmentalist have the power to control something as complex as an eco-system like Yellowstone. The damage the current wolve populations have inflicted on the native herds will take years and years to reverse if the wolves were reduced to agreed upon numbers. The longer goverment officals let this nonsense go on the longer it will take to return Yellowstone to a proper pedator/prey balance. Sorry for any spelling and grammer errors as I'm in a hurry. Later Baker



A true friend reaches for your hand but touches your heart.
Re: Crying Wolf [Re: Elkhunter49] #2651723 10/11/11 07:11 PM
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 19,262
P
pokerj2 Online Content
THF Celebrity
Online Content
THF Celebrity
P
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 19,262
Cool



President of American Entitlements LLC
Health insurance agency focusing in all ages from ACA plans all the way through Medicare.
Office is based in Wylie, TX
We have local agents in both Texas and Louisiana
469-814-0289
Re: Crying Wolf [Re: TurkeyHunter] #2652040 10/11/11 08:48 PM
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 46,950
G
Gravytrain Offline
THF Celebrity
Offline
THF Celebrity
G
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 46,950
Originally Posted By: TurkeyHunter

But should every predator in the USA be exterminated? Should wolves be made extinct?


Every wolf outside of yellowstone could be allowed to be shot on sight, I'd have no problem with it.



Upon us all, upon us all, a little rain must fall
Re: Crying Wolf [Re: Elkhunter49] #2652053 10/11/11 08:53 PM
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 44,461
rifleman Offline
Sparkly Pants
Offline
Sparkly Pants
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 44,461
Originally Posted By: elkhunter49
Wolves absolutly have a place in the natural environment. When left uncontrolled they will quickly reduce natural prey and turn to other sources (cattle,sheep,horses...). If you watched this young mans film you would see what a devastating effect the wayyyyyyyyyy overpopulated wolf numbers in Yellowstone have had on Elk,Moose,Buffalo and domestic cattle numbers in Montana,Wyoming and Idaho.
When I began hunting Elk in the late 1970's the top elk hunt in North America was the migration hunt north of Yellowstone every December. It was common to see over a 1000 Elk a day from one vantage point. The state of Montana has now cancelled the hunt completely because of the low number of elk left in the park. It's really a shame that clueless environmentalist have the power to control something as complex as an eco-system like Yellowstone. The damage the current wolve populations have inflicted on the native herds will take years and years to reverse if the wolves were reduced to agreed upon numbers. The longer goverment officals let this nonsense go on the longer it will take to return Yellowstone to a proper pedator/prey balance. Sorry for any spelling and grammer errors as I'm in a hurry. Later Baker


the elk populations in some areas of the park probably isn't 1/20th of what it used to be... winters are tough enough on the wildlife up there as it is..toss in wolves and several years of awful winters and it's a screw up waiting to happen.... not to mention they're already taking away from hunters via elk tag allotments for units around the park.


Re: Crying Wolf [Re: rifleman] #2652159 10/11/11 09:21 PM
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 17,909
TurkeyHunter Online Content
THF Celebrity
Online Content
THF Celebrity
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 17,909
Money talks.
Bullstuff walks.



To be determined
Re: Crying Wolf [Re: TurkeyHunter] #2652455 10/11/11 11:15 PM
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,918
JakeinTX Offline
Pro Tracker
Offline
Pro Tracker
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,918
I thought this was done very well. Well I believe that a large predator, that predator has to be controlled. The states should be allowed to establish a regulated harvest so that the population is controlled. States get a new game animal and the ability to raise revenue. But if left unchecked, that top predator will decimate herd animals.


Re: Crying Wolf [Re: JakeinTX] #2652532 10/11/11 11:42 PM
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 6,314
K
KG68 Offline
THF Trophy Hunter
Offline
THF Trophy Hunter
K
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 6,314
Wyoming ranchers need wolves about like Texas ranches need coyotes. wtf


Re: Crying Wolf [Re: KG68] #2652578 10/11/11 11:55 PM
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 32,503
sig226fan (Rguns.com) Offline
duck & cover
Offline
duck & cover
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 32,503
I need a wolf to mount for the schools mascot case. The old one developed bugs, mange sorta, and, well, technically he escaped back to the wild......


Re: Crying Wolf [Re: KG68] #2652615 10/12/11 12:07 AM
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 17,909
TurkeyHunter Online Content
THF Celebrity
Online Content
THF Celebrity
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 17,909
Originally Posted By: KG68
Wyoming ranchers need wolves about like Texas ranches need coyotes. wtf


Yellowstone used to have a lot of coyotes. The wolves changed that fairly quick.



To be determined
Re: Crying Wolf [Re: TurkeyHunter] #2652682 10/12/11 12:22 AM
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 44,461
rifleman Offline
Sparkly Pants
Offline
Sparkly Pants
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 44,461
They're pretty much a useless overglorified canine. If folks want to go see one and hunt one they can.. That does not make them endangered, near extinction or anything special to cut into years of wildlife conservation efforts and mgmt of other species.


Re: Crying Wolf [Re: rifleman] #2653209 10/12/11 02:31 AM
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 789
S
SwampHunterFw Offline
Tracker
Offline
Tracker
S
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 789
wolves are a natural predator yes they may eat a few cows or sheep , but what about all the hay grain an grass that the elk deer an all that eat? wolves were there before man was let them go , if they start eating your stuff shoot them , but dont kill them all if you have a in unbalance in any of the wild life it will through it all out of wack , if texas had a few wolves we might not have so many dang hogs


Re: Crying Wolf [Re: SwampHunterFw] #2653241 10/12/11 02:39 AM
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 11,566
P
passthru Online Content
THF Celebrity
Online Content
THF Celebrity
P
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 11,566
Glorified coyotes. They were killed off for reasons that still exist.



I work hard, drink a little and hunt when I can.
NRA Life Member
https://sofalasafaris.com/
Re: Crying Wolf [Re: SwampHunterFw] #2653287 10/12/11 02:48 AM
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 50
C
Claysefus Offline
Outdoorsman
Offline
Outdoorsman
C
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 50
Originally Posted By: SwampHunterFw
wolves are a natural predator yes they may eat a few cows or sheep , but what about all the hay grain an grass that the elk deer an all that eat? wolves were there before man was let them go , if they start eating your stuff shoot them , but dont kill them all if you have a in unbalance in any of the wild life it will through it all out of wack , if texas had a few wolves we might not have so many dang hogs


Dont go crazy with this but the red wolf is alive and well in Texas. Ask around. I caught a glimpse of one north of Lake o the Pines about 5 years ago. Very distinct different appearance that a coyote.


Re: Crying Wolf [Re: Claysefus] #2653405 10/12/11 03:16 AM
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 789
S
SwampHunterFw Offline
Tracker
Offline
Tracker
S
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 789
Originally Posted By: Claysefus
Originally Posted By: SwampHunterFw
wolves are a natural predator yes they may eat a few cows or sheep , but what about all the hay grain an grass that the elk deer an all that eat? wolves were there before man was let them go , if they start eating your stuff shoot them , but dont kill them all if you have a in unbalance in any of the wild life it will through it all out of wack , if texas had a few wolves we might not have so many dang hogs


Dont go crazy with this but the red wolf is alive and well in Texas. Ask around. I caught a glimpse of one north of Lake o the Pines about 5 years ago. Very distinct different appearance that a coyote.

i belive i have seen a few , but didnt get a complet look to be 100% sure


Re: Crying Wolf [Re: SwampHunterFw] #2653439 10/12/11 03:26 AM
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 50
C
Claysefus Offline
Outdoorsman
Offline
Outdoorsman
C
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 50
I was within 20 yards of him. He saw me and hit the afterburners. Bout the size of a big German shepherd. 75-85 pounds. Rusty colored. Cool encounter


Re: Crying Wolf [Re: Claysefus] #2653562 10/12/11 04:59 AM
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 147
C
coldwater15 Offline
Woodsman
Offline
Woodsman
C
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 147
it is silly that man manages the elk, deer, etc. populations (the wolf's prey), but is not allowed to manage the wolf population. i think it's cool they are there, but should not be left unmanaged.
also, i never understand that environmentalists don't get that if an animal is able to be hunted, it is worth money. Therefore it will lead to optimum management practices, plus the species would never go extinct.



Situation's changed Jules...
Aggie '08
Re: Crying Wolf [Re: SwampHunterFw] #2653712 10/12/11 12:05 PM
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 4,706
E
Elkhunter49 Online Content OP
Extreme Tracker
OP Online Content
Extreme Tracker
E
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 4,706
Originally Posted By: SwampHunterFw
wolves are a natural predator yes they may eat a few cows or sheep , but what about all the hay grain an grass that the elk deer an all that eat? wolves were there before man was let them go , if they start eating your stuff shoot them , but dont kill them all if you have a in unbalance in any of the wild life it will through it all out of wack , if texas had a few wolves we might not have so many dang hogs


Given all the livestock in Texas do you really believe that if we had even a small population of wolves here that they would be eating hogs? The problem with just shoot them when they "eat your stuff" is the federal goverment will not allow it. Idaho has finally allowed a very few resident hunters to take wolves but the number of tags are not enough to even put a dent in the overpopulation problem. Everything the goverment touches turns to $&^#. Later Baker



A true friend reaches for your hand but touches your heart.
Re: Crying Wolf [Re: Elkhunter49] #2654044 10/12/11 02:24 PM
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 3,894
J
jdickey Offline
Extreme Tracker
Offline
Extreme Tracker
J
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 3,894
What is really odd about the Endangered Specie Act regarding wolves, they were not endanagered in Canada! Also is odd that wolves don't see those boundary lines when they travel!

This is an interesting link:

http://www.saveelk.com/index.html




Bigfoot Research Specialist
http://www.texlaresearch.com/
[Linked Image]
Re: Crying Wolf [Re: jdickey] #2655196 10/12/11 08:41 PM
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 282
G
gamebear Offline
Bird Dog
Offline
Bird Dog
G
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 282
I saw red wolves in Lake Pat Cleburne park in the '70's. I have a wolf pelt of what is most likely a Mex Gray wolf shot in the '20's in western Oklahoma. Very bad tanning work and the hair flows from it when moved slightly.

I like and believe wolves have a "place" in or near the Rockies. I don't like and don't believe ranchers should have to suffer losses because of them. When they are found outside Yellowstone or any other park/govt land, they should be fair game. I need a fresh well tanned pelt.


Last edited by gamebear; 10/12/11 08:41 PM.

"You can't aim a duck to death." -Beverly Sills

www.weathertogolf.com
Re: Crying Wolf [Re: gamebear] #2655389 10/12/11 09:22 PM
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 1,403
T
tx outlaw Offline
Pro Tracker
Offline
Pro Tracker
T
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 1,403
Great video, very well supported and well put together. I completely agree with everything said.

Makes me want to head up to Montana and help some of the ranchers out by rifle some wolves!!!


Last edited by tx outlaw; 10/12/11 09:24 PM.
Page 1 of 2 1 2
Previous Thread
Index
Next Thread

© 2004-2022 OUTDOOR SITES NETWORK all rights reserved USA and Worldwide
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.3