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High Fence - trick question #2400219 06/30/11 04:43 PM
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I'm sure many of you followed the endless arguments about high fences over the last two weeks. The topic sparked an interesting thought in my brain.....which I thought I would share with you guys.

For those of you who don't know this already, there is a section of the Y.O. Ranch that was broken off decades ago and sold off in small tracts (50-200 acres) to individuals as recreational/hunting property. This section of the Y.O. is called the "Y.O. Ranchlands". It is just over 10,000 acres high fenced.....with at least 50+ different landowners having property inside this area. The "Y.O. Ranchlands" is stocked with Axis, Blackbuck, Fallow, Aoudad, Sika, and a few sheep.....as well as having lots of native Whitetail deer as well.

There are several of these types of places in different parts of Texas (one of them is called "The Preserve", just south of Rocksprings.....it is roughly 8,000 acres with tracts in the 150-300 acre range).

So here is my question.....

For those of you who are against hunting inside a high fence because "the animals cannot escape".....this question is for you. It is NOT intended to cause an argument (although I won't be surprised if one develops anyway).....it is actually something I am very curious to hear peoples' opinions about.

Lets assume the tract you were hunting was not one of the tracts on the edge, therefore it is 100% COMPLETELY UNFENCED on its boundaries. Would you consider hunting inside one of these areas as being "canned" or unfair?? You cannot legally cross the property line to pursue an animal without permission from your neighbor.....so any animal can effectively escape from the hunter, possibly never to be seen again. How would this be any different than hunting outside a high fence?

I'm very curious to hear some opinions/responses on this subject.


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A high fenced co-op is still high fence hunting. Wouldn't hold any interest for me. But to each his own.



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good point happy3


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good question.


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Eland...some times its just easier to walk...the HF hates are also the guys that think CO, Nevada, ect are the only true Wilderness yet, a good chunk of the Hwys have state owned HF border them.

The also refuse to consider places like lake grapevine that are bordered by a lake on one end..and residental houses with fenced back yards on the other three sides to be non free chase, but via their defentition isn't fair chase.



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I've got nothing against high fences as far as hunting goes so, yup I'd hunt it.



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I think for me it would depend on the overall size of the "total" property. If the tract I was hunting on was 200 acres, and the overall high fenced area was say 10,000 acres then I really don't think it would bother me provided it was not on an edge. However if I were hunting 200 acres of high fence property I don't think I could do it.




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I'd have no problem hunting a HF area that big. I mostly have a problem with a small area where there's little doubt that we'll find THE deer we are looking for.
Also using a HF to contain exotics changes my opinion of HF.
I'm ok with it.

I just thought of this, some of my opposition of HF may come from the fact that in my mind HF = High $$$$





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I am not against HF hunting, but don't prefer it. I actually killed my first 2 deer on a HF ranch and had a blast. But, like most hunters, the thrill of making it harder and more adventurous always increases with each passing hunt. That's why so many of us take up bowhunting.

So, I choose to hunt non-HF property for whitetail, etc. Now if it was an exotic, I would not have a problem with HF as long as it wasnt like a 25 acre place.

With that said, I would still feel like I was hunting HF in the scenario you presented. It wouldn't be any different than choosing to hunt the middle section of a HF ranch owned by one person.

So with your scenario...whitetail, no. Axis, Blackbuck, Fallow, Aoudad, Sika, sheep and black cougars, yes!


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I agree with you DSP56! I would hunt it.


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Originally Posted By: RICK O'SHAY
I'd have no problem hunting a HF area that big. I mostly have a problem with a small area where there's little doubt that we'll find THE deer we are looking for.
Also using a HF to contain exotics changes my opinion of HF.
I'm ok with it.

I just thought of this, some of my opposition of HF may come from the fact that in my mind HF = High $$$$



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It all comes down to what a person would describe as a pen.

2000 acres could be a pen to some, and 200 acres would be a pen to others.

Which of the two would afford the deer a better chance of escape?

You be the judge!




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I bet 95% of the folks who are "against" high fence hunting have either

A. never hunted on one or

B. shot a ram on some thompson temple style place.


I've hunted high fence places from 300 acres to 5k acres, and low fence places from 30 acres to 16k, and its all the same.

one of the easiest places i've ever hunted was 200 acres in bandera county, place was like a zoo, black buck and axis everywhere, plus pigs, turkey and whitetail. never went out there and didn't have a shot opportunity in the 1st 20 min. none of it was high fenced.

Now if you tell someone that story, It would be considered a "damn good hunting property" but if the property what 200 acres larger and high fenced it would be considered "canned" or "too easy"

Whats the difference?



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Took my daughter hunting for Impala on a 5,000 acre place in South Africa recently when we were there on vacation. Sure felt like regular hunting. We certainly hunted and hunted for those Impala.

My last turkey lease was on a high fenced place about 1,000 acres. It was just me. Was not easy by any means.

What if you dove hunt a high fenced place?



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I would argue that it certainly falls within the definition of fair chase considering the game can avoid the hunter on 49/50ths of the land (YO example). . . .


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I would. It's not like a white tail deer have a range of 10,000 acres anyways.



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I don't have a problem with HF hunting per se', just the small tracts. There's 1400 acres of nearly solid brush I know of near me, that's pretty tough hunting; and 12000 acres in south texas that is HF on the highway real well, and on two other sides with 30 year old HF, and is open along a riverfront on the back, so it's WIDE open to me.


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As long as both the truck corning the road and the boom mic are not in the frame, I have no problem with it...


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I would hunt a place like that given the chance. I've got a problem with anyone trying to pass judgement on what a land owner does on his own property.
I've spent most of my adult life hunting NF land out west and my perspective is different. I hunted for years with a couple of buddies from West Texas who are now to old to climb the mountains we used to hunt but their desire to hunt elk remains strong. They can still get in the field and hunt elk on places like The Cotton Mesa in Colorado. These guys remain true hunters at heart but are not ready to hang up their boots. Everyone that hunts a high fence operation is not a kill crazy, lazy hunter. I love hunting my life long home state of Texas and I for one believe there's more than one way to hunt this great state. Later Guys Baker



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I will respect any hunter who hunts with in his ability, comfort, and buget/finacial level. And hunts within the laws. As mentioned in earlier post not every one can "climb the mountains". A first time hunter my feel more comfortable within a 200 acre high fence. Some may have more money than time and have to condense the season into a long weekend. I know people that will show you a trophy and "brag" about how much they spent to shoot it, others will "brag" about the weeks of scouting and the hardships of a long stalk. Maybe I am to simple, but if they are happy and proud I am happy for them.

The only thing that bothers me is when a great low fence trophy is compaired to a geneticaly superior buck that was created through very selective (expensive) breeding. Both are trophys, but they should not be compaired or judged against one another. Kinda like racing a nascar stock car against a 1972 ford pinto.


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10,000 acres? Deer don't normally even range that far. It's possible many deer could live their whole lives and never even see the border fence of 10,000 acres... I think it would be great for more landowners to form WMA's with their neighbors and fence the perimeters, dividing up the total cost by each owners number of acres.





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Originally Posted By: TurkeyHunter


My last turkey lease was on a high fenced place about 1,000 acres. It was just me. Was not easy by any means.



Seriously? You know turkey can fly right?



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if i owned 50 or 200 acres in there i'd shoot animals show them off eat them and feel pretty good bout it and when people asked i'd tell them exactly where i shot it and what kind of fence it had... in these situations neighbors can take out a deer population so you might let a buck walk never to see him again so i call it fair chase





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I have no problem with High fences that are open tracts over 200 acres , my complaint is the ranch we hunted next too for 10years in hill country that has 20 acre tracts high fenced and would bring in tagged deer for people to pay XXXXXX amount to shoot.




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Originally Posted By: BOBO the Clown
the HF hates are also the guys that think CO, Nevada, ect are the only true Wilderness yet, a good chunk of the Hwys have state owned HF border them.



a lot of that is chain link stuck to the side of mountains to prevent rock slides confused2


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