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TPWD Management Hunt #1078237 12/03/09 02:37 AM
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I am just curious if anyone feels the way I do. Some folks are unable to pay the $ for deer leases. Type II is an option, but I haven't hunted in years. TPWD offers special draw hunts for $10 application fee and if you are drawn, sometimes you have to pay $80-$150 for 2 days. So I get drawn for a doe, spike, and unlimited hog hunt. They stress that they are trying to manage the heard and want to eliminate mature does and spike bucks. If we are helping them manage the herd, why pay the $80-$150? They were really upset some folks brought small deer in to certify, but if it were me I would want to come home with something. I wouldn't shoot something that small, but if they were wanting the publics help in managing, they should drop the fee. (In my opinion) Just curious if anyone out there feels the way I do or am I just weird.


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I think they are foolish to think the average hunter knows what a
"mature doe" looks like vs an immature one.



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Originally Posted By: passthru
I think they are foolish to think the average hunter knows what a
"mature doe" looks like vs an immature one.
x1. Some hunters are going to shoot a "mature doe" that they can pick up with one hand.


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I'm not sure I could tell the difference between a mature doe and a yearling. I wasn't gonna shoot one though unless they were in a group so I could size them up.


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I have never been on a TPWD management hunt so I have no opinion on what you are talking about, but I have been on TPWD buck and antlerless/spike hunts (which have a $3 entry fee) and think they are a great value. I have hunted at Fort Boggy and Gus Engleing and seen a lot of deer each time. On the antlerless hunt they didn't get upset if you shot a small doe. That being said, you did get some good natured ribbing if you took a doe that field dressed at 45 pounds, as one gentleman did. It was about the size of a lab and he took the ribbing in a good way, so no one got upset. Any time you can get a hunt where you can shoot three deer plus as many hogs and coyotes as you can see for $85 is a good deal in my opinion.

I have no problem paying a small fee to go hunting there. The big ranches offer doe management hunts as well, but they usually charge more than $85 for a three day hunt (one evening, one full day and one morning).


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I dont know why they would care if it was a young doe or an older one? If the buck-to-doe ratio was out of balance and they wanted more does killed,what difference does the age of the doe make? Perhaps thier reasoning is an older doe is probably pregnant so you are killing 2 or 3 deer when you shoot her? That's the only reason I can think of.


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Originally Posted By: swampthang
I dont know why they would care if it was a young doe or an older one? If the buck-to-doe ratio was out of balance and they wanted more does killed,what difference does the age of the doe make? Perhaps thier reasoning is an older doe is probably pregnant so you are killing 2 or 3 deer when you shoot her? That's the only reason I can think of.
or maybe old does go through menopause just like women do.



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Here's the reason to shoot older does, at least from a trophy management standpoint. First, let's assume the property has been engaged in some type of selective harvest for the past few years. In other words, they've been taking out a lot of management bucks and leaving the bucks with better genetic potential to age and hopefully breed the does. As time goes on, your younger does theoretically have a better chance of carrying the genetics from these better bucks while the older does are less likely to do so.



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Originally Posted By: swampthang
I dont know why they would care if it was a young doe or an older one? If the buck-to-doe ratio was out of balance and they wanted more does killed,what difference does the age of the doe make? Perhaps thier reasoning is an older doe is probably pregnant so you are killing 2 or 3 deer when you shoot her? That's the only reason I can think of.


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They want you to shoot mature does on these hunts so that you don't end up shooting "Button Bucks". Button bucks will get them upset on places they are really trying to manage like Richland Creek for example. They stress this in the orientation to try and not shoot yearling bucks. Its hard to tell from more than about 25 yards if its a yearling buck or doe. Rule of thumb if possible is to shoot the biggest in the group to be safe. + some of what Texas Till I die says on the superior genetics if you have been selectively harvesting for many years.


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For the money you can't beat these hunts though. The only $10 application fee's are the Guided hunt packages or private land drawings and youth hunts are free. Others are $3 to enter.


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I have been on at least 20 hunts at Engeling, Richland Creek, and Ft. Boggy. I killed my first deer at Engeling in 1971. Back then the hunts were free unless you gut shot your deer and in that case they asked you to contribute to the coffee kitty. This was because they did all the field dressing. Back then we were warned not to hold back waiting for a buck. If you saw a deer it might be the only one you would see they told us. Through the years the fees got started. I believe it is to help with the cost of holding the hunts and buy other things the WMA might need. For the money I still think it's a good deal however I don't care for all the emphasis on making the places like trophy ranches. I think most people are there because they don't have a lease so three days of hunting for $85.is not that bad.


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Type II, real deal.always has been, fawn vs doe,=face/ears ,fawn/yearlin doesent get long face until 2-1/2,and body is short coupled vs elongated,lanky.young,ears are longer than muzzle nose.
With that number of hunts on englin an rc do you think rc went to the down side from pre thru opening days, As trophy area,1500-2000 managment taken in 3 years,and loss of savana, and canopy from flooding,


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There are costs associated with having these hunts. Who the heck is supposed to pay for it if it isn't the hunters????


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Personaly i think tpwd cant get much of anything right these days. And its all about the money now and with hunter numbers getting smaller each year its only gonna get worse.



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Originally Posted By: WOODY03
I am just curious if anyone feels the way I do. Some folks are unable to pay the $ for deer leases. Type II is an option, but I haven't hunted in years. TPWD offers special draw hunts for $10 application fee and if you are drawn, sometimes you have to pay $80-$150 for 2 days. So I get drawn for a doe, spike, and unlimited hog hunt. They stress that they are trying to manage the heard and want to eliminate mature does and spike bucks. If we are helping them manage the herd, why pay the $80-$150? They were really upset some folks brought small deer in to certify, but if it were me I would want to come home with something. I wouldn't shoot something that small, but if they were wanting the publics help in managing, they should drop the fee. (In my opinion) Just curious if anyone out there feels the way I do or am I just weird.


You think $80-$150 is too much for a 2 day hunt, even if its just does and hogs, on a managed peice of property no less?

You haven't priced deer hunting in TX lately have you? That is DIRT CHEAP. Sure, you day lease some POS property for $75 per day and you MIGHT see a single deer IF your lucky.

I see your point about them getting upset about small deer, shouldn't matter as long as it's a doe. But these WMA's are at the BOTTOM of the food chain when it comes to funding from the state, so they try to recoup it somewhere so they can continue to manage the herd.


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I don't think the fees are a secret. If you don't like the fee then hunt Type 2. They are trying to manage the herd so when you go out there you will get a better hunting experience. Not much free these days.


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Originally Posted By: tx270
Originally Posted By: WOODY03
I am just curious if anyone feels the way I do. Some folks are unable to pay the $ for deer leases. Type II is an option, but I haven't hunted in years. TPWD offers special draw hunts for $10 application fee and if you are drawn, sometimes you have to pay $80-$150 for 2 days. So I get drawn for a doe, spike, and unlimited hog hunt. They stress that they are trying to manage the heard and want to eliminate mature does and spike bucks. If we are helping them manage the herd, why pay the $80-$150? They were really upset some folks brought small deer in to certify, but if it were me I would want to come home with something. I wouldn't shoot something that small, but if they were wanting the publics help in managing, they should drop the fee. (In my opinion) Just curious if anyone out there feels the way I do or am I just weird.


You think $80-$150 is too much for a 2 day hunt, even if its just does and hogs, on a managed peice of property no less?

You haven't priced deer hunting in TX lately have you? That is DIRT CHEAP. Sure, you day lease some POS property for $75 per day and you MIGHT see a single deer IF your lucky.

I see your point about them getting upset about small deer, shouldn't matter as long as it's a doe. But these WMA's are at the BOTTOM of the food chain when it comes to funding from the state, so they try to recoup it somewhere so they can continue to manage the herd.


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Yep. Especially when you realize that you can camp for free on-site at most if not all of the places. If you bring your own food, you are looking at a total hunt for less than $100, not including gasoline.


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