Sister Creek Ranches - SCAM

Seen a post a few weeks ago for Axis hunting with Sister Creek Ranches - even had one guy say Carlos was great. I didnt see the posts afterwards that were not positive - wish I would have. Booked a hunt for 4 and went down this weekend. Got there about 8:30pm and met with Carlos to check out the set up. He expected that we were gonna hunt all night after driving 7 hours to get there. We expected to see the set up, and be there before sunup the next morning. He had a barn that he converted one stall in to a blind. Could only see out of one or the two windows he built in it. The stand was 15 yards away (way to close), had no lights even if we were gonna hunt all night. He put 4 hunters in 1 blind. We texted him 30 minutes later and said we needed to split up into different stands and wanted to meet him the next morning and 2 of us would use the stand he showed us (even though it was too close) and the other two needed an additional stand. He texted back and confirmed he would meet two of us at 5:30am at the truck stop.
Next morning, he was a no show. Didn't answer until almost 7am. Then said the other stand wasn't ready for use. No chairs and the feeder wasn't going. So the other two came to where we were at the original blind. Once the sun came up, there were houses all around with only 1 safe shooting lane. We decided that it was a scam by 8am and left. Stopped payment on the check and told him. He of course threatened us with theft by check. He still got our $200 deposit. He knew for over 2 weeks that 4 hunters were coming and only had 1 working blind / feeder? WTF The entire property was no more than 20 acres.

I am so pissed. 14 hours of driving and hotel room expense, just to be scammed.

Run away, far, far away.

This is a pretty part of the state around here, with great hunting, but we seem to be breeding more than our share of con artists. Might have something to do with what I've posted before - axis are breeding like flies and can be seen in downtown Boerne.

Very sorry you had such a rotten experience. Good on you for stopping the check.

I very rarely risk a new outfitter, I pretty much stick with the same trusty ole normal group, and it's for these exact reasons. Sorry you wasted your time...

Trust me, I would have stuck to an outfitter I know if I had ever been axis hunting before. I have a call into the GW for that county to see if he might be interested in learning more about this guy.

The tool sent us photos from the game camera of 2 axis doe at the feeder at 11:30 am saying its our fault we left and he wants paid. The photos are supposed to be proof he lived up to his end of the deal and we could have shot those deer. How the hell are 4 guys in one stand supposed to be successful? ok, we could have got off one shot maybe - chances are with 4 people in one stand they would have never showed. The stand was a tin barn that was covered up. No carpet or insulation. If you thought of farting, you could hear it.

Check out the set up....see the barn with the stall and 2 windows:


Now look at how close it was to houses:



Also just went to the property appraisal web page for that county and found he doesn't own the land he had us on. Could have leased it I guess, but doubtful based on everything else we have seen.

WOW! What a first class buttsquirt.

It seems like there are many new members that just join to post/advertise hunts, not posting prices, accommodations, high/low fence, acres or pictures and then act insulted when they are pm'ed and quetstioned....there is more and more dishonesty happening even with a few outfitters that have been in business for some time.
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His girlfriend owns the land. I hope you post this on Facebook as well. I normally don't call bad outfitters out but I did and he blocked me. His normal hunting spot is 2.2 acres. Sorry you got scammed .

I watch this part of the forum closely for members posts on outfitters.Good recommendations carry a lot of weight with me, and so do bad ones.Ive been scammed a couple times by Texas outfitters, so posts like this one are appreciated.

Sorry you had this happen to you. Before I consider going on a hunt with somebody new, I google them and search everywhere I can for any information on them. If I find nothing on them, that is a red flag that makes me nervous. A good, reputable outfitter should have something about them online. I've also found that the bow hunting sites seem to be the most vocal about their hunts. I can't say it's a fact, but over and over again I end up reading through a long thread about a hunt somewhere with tons of useful information on one of those sites after it comes up from a google search.

Most of the groups on facebook have caught on and blocked him from posting as well. I saw a recent ad though on the "Whitetail Hunts in Texas" group on facebook though. I think this should be brought over there to warn folks. It's a shame.

Oh and I also asked on one of his posts where he was located at since I'm also operating near by, but he got very defensive and never responded to me.

Sorry.. had to add... I know folks have small places to hunt, I get that, but wtf is this? It looks like he is raising them in his back yard and kills them when they come in to sleep in the barn? lol

That is just plain crazy.. heh

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If I saw this set up for 4 hunters upon arrival I would have walked away. Wishing you better days ahead sir.

Funny that guy got on here and ran his mouth about how good the hunting was.

and it's been crickets ever since

Folks: I can certainly appreciate all the responses. Firstly let me state that we all hunt different ways, we are a low cost hunt, so we don't hold hands, we don't guide...whats the point, its a feeder. AS one astute member pointed out, you pay after you show up and check the place out...this hot check writer checked the place out, with his three buddies...all three saw axis on the ground when they rolled up...then went to their truck and pulled out a check and paid for the hunt. SECONDLY: and let me b very clear, I did not ever threaten anyone. however guys, state law in texas is very clear on hot check writers, my advice is: do not pass hot checks in texas, NSF, Stopped or Cancelled checks in Texas are a crime, this is not an opinion but state law. NO HUNTER deserves a da up their business end. So once again to my hot check writers, I am extending you an olive branch here before we get to the point of no return. FOR THIS FORUM, guys let me be clear, had you hunted in our rudimentary loft, while I was in bed sleeping off a Gulf War Injury and Surgery...you could have still shot these two axis for a one time fee of $350..being that a single yearling doe axis runs $425 at auction, it's a square deal.

Original ad was circulating a night hunt. Those doe look like day time deer to me.

Also, who the Heck shoots towards houses?!?!

Are the bottom pictures dated 2015 with the 2 axis even in the same location as the pictures in the original post? I don't see the barn yard or barn yard fence.

Good stories boss, however the GW is a close personal acquaintance of mine and I'm sure he will enjoy your call. As for the olive branch, bud it's gone. You guys saw the place, we talked and walked around it for awhile, then you paid with a bad check. The reality here is, you can bs all you want, the picture is clear and my resolve is growing. Remember boss, this is not just your crime, but your four hunters whom I have phone numbers, names and a plate for, tread lightly sunshine

I support veterans 100 percent. But, I've noticed a common occurrence with you. You throw that around quite often.
You should have been upfront with your hunters. And showed up when you said you would.
If your going to try to run a do it yourself guide service in people's yards, perhaps make it a bow only. Just my opinion. But, that's worth about as much as a "guided" axis hunt on 2 acres.

I rarely disagree with these guys, because frankly, they tell the truth for me. They say, we showed up, they say we saw the place b4 we paid, they say "THEN WE PAID", they say ya we left, the picture shows axis 3 hours later in broad daylight, where's the fire chief? THEY NEVER SAY " I said I would guide them", or give them a club, lodge or resort. This is a budget hunt...budget guys, a axis yearling doe is $425 at auction...they had a shot at two in broad daylight, I have hunters that would love that opportunity. I am a marksman in the military, I wont address whether my shots are safe or not, that's common sense and if its not.. DONT PAY...the shots are safe and they know it. BUT I TELL YOU WHAT GREEN HORN, I am a "brother" and if this guy was my brother, I would shut him up...why? the guy is admitting online to cancelling a check and worse..its for three other guys! so if I cared for him id say, "Ya'know canceled checks are a crime in this state, a screen shot of your post is evidence for the da, maybe your pissed but you should not take your friends down with you and damn at the very least don't post your fraud online!" I could care less about the rest of it, some guys love my place others don't and they dont pay and leave, it's not news to me, but those who commit check fraud and brag about it online are acting carelessly...and this bunch looks like deacons from the church of Christ so I'm am stunned at the ignorance, bad news is on the way. The only way I can figure his reckless views on his bad check, is that he knows its a bogus check and is not traceable back to him....but like I said, he looks legit, so the guy doesn't care about admitting to check fraud online? somebody tackle this guy. LOL. 8) Yall have a good day.

come on man, the pics are straight forward, the guys in the pics don't deny that. they had two, in the cool morning minus the recaro seats

Your funny, you should have stayed in the blind and shot the axis that showed up three hours after you left. I'm curious,I showed you the blind feeder setup in broad daylight, why pay? Better yet, unless your bullet can do a 90 degree turn after it hits the soft ground then the shot is safe, even if it does hit a empty house 75 yards away. Yes I do have my lease, Yes I am paid in full,yes I do have my permit, No there is no fraud, which is more than I can say for Kelly Casey
1751 east blackjack road Pilot point, TX 76258 and his three buddies. As soon as your check bounces sir, we will see who the bs'r is.

Is it really about 2 acres? 'Cause discharging a firearm on that small of a piece of property is against state law. Don't care if you're married to the GW. And by the looks of it, Kendall County Sherriff's Department could almost cite for firing inside the Comfort city limits.

And "close personal acquaintance" is an oxymoron. Well, I guess an arresting officer can be a "close personal acquaintance".

However, after seeing the pictures, I do not understand the OP not saying "Oh, HELL no," and leaving immediately. That's not a hunt by any definition, "budget" or otherwise.

From what I understood, they thought the "guide" had more spots. And he was supposed to meet them the next morning to escort them there. That's the way I understood it. Best thing to do is for both parties to drop it. Hunters, do your research. "Guides" if your going to claim to be a guide service, your going to encounter folks whom are not serious hunters. Be clear,and be honest of what you have to offer.

Come and get it while it's hot!

Sounds like the typical "two fools" scenario. OP should have vetted the "outfitter" better and for sure, run like hell when he saw the setup. As far as the outfitter, if you're legal, more power to you, even though that leaves a crappy taste in my mouth. I sure won't be your fool.

There's only one reasonable solution I can come up with after reading the whole thread. The OP needs to get back in his vehicle and drive back down there and pay the man off in full with cash.

Then proceed to whip his arse all over that two acres he scammed you into believing was a hunting ranch. Then get back in your car and drive home. I think this would satisfy all parties involved.

Sleeping off Gulf War and Surgery.. You're coming to the wrong place for sympathy bro. There are tons of combat vets here many wounded, I'm one of them.. What a crock of Sh*t, you have a habit of patting your back like you're special. Get over yourself. I typically do not engage in this kind of dialog but seeing this common theme of yours is making me sick..

Thank you for your service. Armalite

Funny how you do a background check on these types of folks and they never disappoint. It reads as you would expect it to.

I would not pay the man a thin dime.

Public data is useful ! Pretty sure your local DA would enjoy talking to you Carlos.

Interesting link I found, google is a wonderful thing.

http://www.avesint.com/carlosmoore-sanantonio.html

Who the hell leases 2 acres to 4 people with rifles?

I don't care what the pictures show, all I can say is.. to me.. it looks like people pulled up into a housing subdivision, went into the back yard shed, opened a door and said, "okay.. when they come out of Bill's house next door from eating breakfast, you whack 'em!".

That has to be the freaking most unreal lease I have ever seen...

Not ragging on this situation, not voicing an opinion on who is right or wrong, I just felt like saying that has GOT to be the most pathetic lease setup I ever saw...

Sorry.. not trying to be mean or hurt anyone's feelings, but good lord....could not bite my tongue..

Carry on...

Hope all parties get what they deserve.

btw - addition - he has to have more than 2.2 acres. Not sure where that came from. I own 1.9 acres and I cannot believe anyone would hunt it due to how small it is. Maybe with a bow.. but damn sure not a rifle.

https://www.scambook.com/report/view/221962/Carlos-S-Moore-Complaint-221962-for-$75.00

Same guy?

Yes believe it is because his website says something about birds. I just noticed he took down a post on a Texas Leasing facebook page when confronted about being a scam. Went as far as to lie saying they didn't come out and when caught in said lie, he basically degraded a woman for her looks. Pretty sorry person IMO. Wish I would have taken a snapshot of the conversation.

Why and or how did the game camera get moved between those two alleged pictures?

The pic from 0821 has 1103 pictures on the card but the one from 1119 only has 2 pictures on it. Somethings screwy.

The phrase "Get a real job" comes to mind.

I was wondering that same thing

Is it a coincidence that the one guy saying that the proprietor of the operation was legit, is also a guy supposedly working in the realm of IT?

You would think as vocal as he was before hand...and literally played as a reference for this so called "outfit"
that he would at least speak up now to defend his reference or admit that maybe his opinion wasn't the best of the guy.

BE CAREFUL WHEN BOOKING HUNTS.....BE PATIENT WHEN SEARCHING FOR A HUNT OR GUIDE! IF YOU CANT AFFORD THE HUNT YOU WANT DON'T SETTLE FOR A CUT RATE ONE....KEEP WORKING SAVE YOUR MONEY AND THAT DAY WILL COME! IF YOU CANT FIND A GUIDE THAT YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH....KEEP SEARCHING...THERE OUT THERE YOU JUST HAVE TO FIND THEM! DON'T SETTLE!!

I can honestly say myself that I had to learn the hard way a few times...and as many of you have put it...if you hunt enough you are going to run into this kind of thing!

The same goes for fishing guides.

Been travelling and just got to see the updates to this post.

Let me clarify a few things:

1) It was not "broad daylight" when we got there. It was about 9pm before we got to the place so we didn't get a good view or feel of the area. Carlos was in a hurry, and told us he had a 2nd place we could hunt, asked for money, and ran off.

2) We texted him within an hour saying we needed another spot and wanted to hunt first thing in the morning. He responded and said to meet him at 5:30 in the morning only to no show.

3) The 2 hunters who were waiting to meet him arrived at the original spot at 7am to join up with us and tell us what happened. That's when we found out about the no show and started to look around at the location we were at.

4) Saturday morning we showed up prior to daylight. When the others got there at 7am and told us what happened and we finally had enough daylight look around, determine the distance to houses, etc and realized we had been scammed.

5) We walked around a little to see if there was a way to make it work (we wanted to hunt) and thats where the photos of us came up on the game cam. We could not find more than 1 safe shooting lane so we talked about it and determined that if we stayed (basically eating the meal we ordered) we felt we would be liable for payment. We collectively felt that if we didnt "eat the steak" and if we left as soon as we realized it was a scam, we would not be liable so thats what we did.

The photos of the axis on the game cam 3 hours later prove nothing. Chances are that with 4 hunters in one blind they would have never showed if we had stayed. In that tin barn, you could hear it if you even thought about farting. We did see 1 axis doe on the property driving up the driveway towards the barn when we first got there. Thank god we didn't shoot at it because there were houses all around. We didnt know about the houses until the next morning when we could see. We left shortly afterwards.

Carlos, short and sweet....happy to talk to you again...... in court. You feel froggy, jump. Lucky we dont take your [censored] to court for the deposit you still scammed us out of.

I didn't even notice that. To the OP, that picture with the axis showing up later and is from another day as is proof by the picture count and the fact that the game camera was moved. Might want to document all this trash he is putting on the internet before he deletes it. To the outfitter, or whatever you want to call yourself, you are a moron trying to put a picture from a different day up and thinking that will justify you screwing someone.

Yeah, I don't expect him to be taking anyone to court. His own "Evidence" screams that he made [censored] up

This is what you get with "discount" or "cheap" hunts.

He is back on Facebook running axis hunts an cutting folks down for being unhappy with their hunt.

I called him on it and once again he deleted his account....

He has his ad under "Texas deer an Hunting leases" on Facebook,

Carlos Moore has posted on the Facebook group "Exotic Hunting in Texas" for his $350 axis hunts. He never tells anybody how many acres he has, he just keeps saying the deer don't care how big the ranch is or how small it is. Sadly, it looks like there are still some people out there who are falling for his scam.

Very sad..!

This is very sad. Too many times, I have sees posts of this Carlos and his $350 flat fee hunt. With the internet and many forums, it just doesn't take much effort to have vetted this guy before booking the so called hunt. My momma said if it looks to get to be true it probably is not and my Dad said 'cheap' is not always a good thing and all cats are grey in the dark.

Agreed with every wors you wrote..But

Looks like Carlos blocked me on FB. I posted a link to this thread there along with a comment that anybody thinking about booking a hunt with him should google his name and Sister Creek Ranches before booking a hunt with him. I guess he didn't like that.

I have yet to meet a VET that suffered wounds that would even say anything about their problems. Carlos is a pc of chit

We should plan some thing better than condemning.
Our members should need safety from such scams

This guy is a scam artist. I see him on facebook all the time. I hope no one books a "hunt" with this guy again.

He's not the only con-artist that's reared his head on this forum. This low-life at least showed up once to meet the hunters. Another scammer, from this same area, never bothered to show up to even meet more than one member on here; just took their money. PM'd me all pissy about an unrelated issue when I called him on his failure to get back to people within a reasonable time. Loser.

Just now getting back to this thread!!! Goodness!!!

Where did ol' Carlos go? I guess he's holed up on his 2 acre ranch!!!!

Nice and cozy with ol ameriza?

Oh my. I know everyone is going to have an opinion on what I am going to say but... I actually built but not completed the Sister Creek Ranches website. I personally have not hunted with him (yet) but I have been reading reviews of hunters who been there. Its been interesting reading all of this and in some cases eye opener for me. I usually build websites and then barter hunts. I have not hunted with SCR. But I have hunted with MANY outfitters and ranches where they were low fence and I wasted all day and money to see only red robins. Maybe we should create a "Black Listed Ranches" group where we post Ranches and Outfitters who have been known to scam before. What do y'all think?

If you have repeat negative reviews on any hunting forum, you're already blacklisted. As for hunting low fence, that's just how it is most of the time, even on high fence places at time (e.i. hunting).

I like the idea, but there could be legal issues involved with that; defamation of character, etc.

No, there would be no legal issues. All you do is you mention nice wording like "Beware". Then you provide valid/legit proof of hunters who actually went to the land and got scammed. Not some trolls feeding off a response. This way we are all safe. I hunted about 5 places last year when I was new at hunting and few of the land owners said they are having whitetail deer problem and shoot as many as you can for a day fee. I ended up spending quality time with myself all day. I had not smoked nor eaten any smelly food. So, such need to be exposed with such facts.

What the...

There are a lot of factors in hunting, and at the end of the day it's the deer's discretion.

A LOT OF friends went there later and the guy blamed them for eating food that smelled. He blamed the other one for smelling like cigarettes. You are Right. "... at the end of the day, its the deer's discretion.". TRUE Dat !!! In all honesty, I dont believe anyone who say they have deer come on low fence within 50 mile radius of DFW. I dont think there are any deers in DFW. Anyone who claims they have a lot WT on low fence is a Scam.

Not everyone AmerMirza.
I have hunted a small low fence ranch for our 4years.
Saw lot of deer and been successful

I am amazed that the Sheriffs Department has not shut this hunting operation down, it is illegal to discharge a firearm on less than 10 acre's unless defending one's personal property or life!

I hunted with Carlos earlier this year. Is it a small place? Yes, very small. The set up was different when we were there. He told us to meet him just before dark and it would be a night only hunt. We were shocked at how small the shooting lane was. But after driving 5 hours to get there we figured what the heck. We sat in the blind for about 4 hours and finally saw some deer walking around across the drainage ditch about 60 yards away. We had a night vision scope, but couldn't see any spots so we were afraid to shoot thinking they might be whitetail does. After about an hour of stressing out we decided to hit them with a flashlight to confirm if they were axis. They were, but as soon as they saw the light they left and never came back. We left the blind around 4am. As we were leaving we did see a heard of about 50 axis across the street from his place on the golf course.
So is it a scam? Kind of. Its just a very small set up with little chance of harvesting anything. I'm not defending the guy because I didn't hear the conversation between him and the OP. I just know he told us what to expect and it was pretty much what he said. Would I do it again? No. I don't enjoy not being able to see what I'm shooting at. My fault for going on a night hunt.
If you buy something because it's cheap, you are going to get something cheap most of the time.

How can hunting with a rifle on a couple acres in a sub division across the street from a golf course be legal?

If I figured it right......a bullet traveling 2900 feet per second is going to clear that property line and be illegal in about 2/10ths of a second.

A ricochet or pass through might increase that to what....maybe 6/10ths.

IMHO a property that small should be bow or shotgun only.....assuming that county doesn't have restriction on properties under 10 acres.

The set we hunted we were shooting down hill towards the bottom of a drainage ditch. We were shocked to see there was house about 400 yards up the other side behind the ditch. We didn't know it was there till the next morning. If we would have shot at something on top of the hill we could have easily hit the house.

Metalmangeorge, Did you know that you would be hunting on 2 acres of land before you got there? I've read his posts and he never admits to the size of the property, he just says that the deer don't care how many acres it is. How many where in your group? To me, the worse part of his so called hunts is that he gets groups of hunters to hunt that spot who all pay $350, but on the odd chance that an animal is shot, the rest will never have a chance after that. Carlos makes $1,400 for the night with a group of four who might get one doe. He doesn't even own the two acres, it's his girlfriends place. All he does is fill the feeder with some corn.

There are plenty of outfitters that charge $350 for a doe and if a group of four when, everyone should have opportunities to get one.

No he never told us the acres, only that it was a small place. The stand we sat in was only about 50 feet off a two lane hwy. He only charged us the 350 and there where two of us. He meet us at the blind around 9pm and he dumped about 5 pounds of corn about 20 yards in front of the blind. We did have a buck run across the front of the blind so close we could have touched it, but it was running and never slowed down. The shooting lane was only about 15 yards wide. I did notice in alot of his posts any pictures of bucks are ones his son shot. And he likes to say something like "look what this guy got for $350".

I would much rather pay $400+ and hunt during the day on a larger place.

Yep, its a "Buyer Beware" world out there

"you get what you pay for"

"you pay peanuts, you get monkeys"

any other clichés?

I got screwed on 2 hunts, should have learned after the first, buddy set up the second. There is just Chit out there, its up to us to do our due diligence before we put up our hard earned money.


Now, unless we got a good law suit going or someone is setting up an "Octagon"


CAN WE LET THIS THREAD DIE AWAY???

Interesting read. I see these ads still on Facebook today.

'Don't know how you found this old thread, but I remember another one about the same grifter. I know exactly where it is. He's, by far, not the only goober trying it. Craigslist is a riot for this kind of thing. Get a real job Loser!

Was Googling an ad I saw on Facebook and ran across this old posting. Doing due diligence.

There should be a follow up with the game warden e could be charged with a lot of violations if gw Indus it legitimate operation none can b mad but i Lunda like a lot of violations plus he has to have a lease license to start with.and for sister creek u don’t have a leg to stand on as of right now the dates on the pics that u personally posted r 2015 so the court won’t even sniff those.and if he does take it to court he will probably b in worse trouble so let him do that . I am a guide and when we run into something like this we call the game warden and tell them we have a outing that we want them to attend and then they see first hand wether its the customer or service that is suppose to b provided

Good ole Texas

You don't know a dam thing about it. Shut the...(you know the rest).

Where men are men and sheep are scared.

then don't be a sheep.

It's a twatwaffle

That is actually not quite true. A county commissioners court CAN pass an ordinance to stop hunting in a subdivision with lots under 10ac. On a couple of acres not part of a subdivided plot you would still be legal.

He's just a troll from an inferior Blue state.

This guy strikes again and again. He keeps the price low enough so that once you realize you've been screwed, the amount lost isn't enough to go to court over. He's a professional con artist. If a dozen of yall got together, you might have enough of a case to get him stopped, but the luck is minimal at best. No real crime committed, just a solid screw with no lube.

What a shame.

I obviously don't know what you call a lot of deer, but I live within 50 miles of Dallas and i am low fence. I am not an outfitter though.

I'd be fighting for my 200 back! Is this guy even a confirmed Vet? Very fishy

This has been my experience as well. A hobby of mine is trying to document veteran's stories, and for me, the ones who saw action don't talk, and the ones who talk didn't see action.
He may have been sleeping something off alright, but chances are it wasn't what he made it out to be.