For you duck hunters that want to contribute as well

My wife and I are headed down either Friday night or early Saturday morning. This should be a fun time and a great family day giving back to the outdoors. I have run the bays my entire life. I would like to think I gave something back. These statistics that Captain Martin posted are unbelievable. Over 30,000 crab traps recovered is outstanding on behalf of the volunteer groups.
http://texashuntingforum.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/6188710#Post6188710

Oh and btw Captain Martin is a good guy. I was at Charlie's ramp one day and had an ignition switch go bad. He was walking by as I was fiddling with it. He said "Hold on" and went to his truck tool box. He dug around for 10 minutes trying to find a spare ignition. He didn't have one but I appreciated it all the same. Good guy report!

Do you ever not have boat problems?

Wal you must be the most unlucky boater in the world.

I have had a total of 3 boat break downs in over 30 years of boat ownership. 2 in one weekend. I hope you never have to experience one.

Are you two headed to the coast this weekend for the crab trap clean up?

Just giving you a hard time. Wish I could, can't get away from work this weekend to make it.

Aint no thing my man. I am trying to get a group up to go. It would be a lot more fun with a group. It will be tough if it is just me and the wife. She isn't about to go grabbing a crab trap full of slime and critters. So I will have to drive and pull traps, stack traps ect. I can tell you now she will be enjoying the sunshine and the beverages long before she touches a trap. I think Captain Kendricks and Kurry are both going to be down there too.

I was at Boo-rays seafood last night eating crabcakes just thinking about how that whole industry should be shut down. Crap trappers are the devils themselves!

Unnecessary.

I was at Long John Silver's thinking how they should shut down Boo Ray's last night, coincidence?

Crabber's are no worse than duck hunters, look at all the crap they leave laying around

I will go one step further, I would bet the majority of those abandoned traps belong to a poor slob with a cheap GPS and a pontoon boat, probably some of them duck hunters, that they set and then couldn't find later. Giving up, they set some more.

Wal,

I will go with you where should I meet you?

Just nate I may have had a turn of events. If we are able to go we will be at the fishing center in Port O'Connor at 7:00 am. I will either be there or headed to a funeral. Not sure but will know about 9 am today.

I really appreciate you wanting to go. I will pm you later in the morning.

Just Nate I talked to Mr. Boyd with TPWD Port O'Conner. He said to come by the TPWD office for supplies. They issue poles with hooks and tarps for the bottom of the boat. He was happy to have recieved a lot of calls about the clean up. I am still waiting to hear from family about whats happening. More than likely no funeral. I will know certain here in a bit.

In the meantime check this video out. This has been a coastal problem for years. The fisherman on the east coast have come to grips with ghost traps. They realize ghost traps are taking money directly our of their own pockets. Nobody ever knew or ever really thought about a ghost trap years ago. This is a good program that benefits everyone involved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65wk81UBQjU

Its on! We are a go for the clean up.

I would have came down to help. Sounds like fun to me.

However, the doctor has me on some crap that makes me have to stay out of the sun (essentially turning me into a vampire).

There is always next year. We are taking the fishing gear in case we see something to cast at.

Be sure to take some pics.

We had a great morning. We stopped counting at 100 Marine animals in the first three traps. One trap has enough plant growth to make me believe it has been there longer than two years. It was loaded with sheephead, redfish, stone crab, blue crab and hard heads. After my wife spotted two of the traps she got the "We are doing something good here" feeling. She was on the prowl and keeping her eyes peeled after that. The pictures suck because we were in 3 and 4 foot swells but you can get the idea.


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Good thing yall are doing.

I think so too Foosh. All the guides down here were involved. It will be hard to find traps tomorrow I am sure of it.

8 feet wide
6 feet tall
24 feet long
Nearly full and most of the traps were smashed before thrown into the dumpster.

Every trap we pulled had not been fished in a long time. Every trap was an efficient waste of rescourses.

Unfortunately we must leave tomorrow. I love the Texas coast. Everything seems to get back in place after a few days down here. It was a long day but well worth it. Now for some of Cosmos Spoetzl's finest and these two USDA beauties.

[quote=wal1809]Every trap we pulled had not been fished in a long time. Every trap was an efficient waste of rescourses.

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Nevermind it's a waste of breath

Apparently you you wish to make a statement without commitment.

wal your a terrible person, trying to clean up the bay is none of your business, these traps that belong to the weekend warriors that get left out during a closed season should be left alone, geez

Nailed it

I'm actually more pleased that those were legal traps, via correct construction.

Hence live fish and not death traps full of bones. Love how you dumped undersized sheephead in the bottom of a muddy boat.

Trying not to cloud a good thing but you make it hard wal.

Thank you for your very well thought out contribution to the thread. Your leadership as a moderator on the Texas Hunting Forum is an inspiration to us all.

It's aggravating Wal, preach the preach but don't walk the walk. That's all. Do a great thing then cloud with personal interjections and not facts. Then dump a bunch of fish in silt in the bottom of the boat...

Like I said I saw a great positive that those traps are the right design with escape doors and legal. Thus eliminating massive waste of resources.

That's a huge positive. Good job on the clean up Wal, that's a huge positive, as before same interjections arent

I believe that this thread has been about the clean up efforts, it was the last one that was deleted or locked that had plenty of personal interjections from both sides.

cloud with a chance of rain?

You're correct I misread about the non-efficient non-waste of resources as I saw nothing but bones being dumped in to bottom of a clean boat. I apologize Sir. No rain in forcast I'll go back to my hole

I guess I see trash left in the water as a waste of resources, regardless of material and construction

Why is it another popular site that has a wayyyyyy worse opinion of crabbers than I could ever hope to have, can run up 19 pages about the crab trap clean up? Why is it they can organized 100s of people to rally and volunteer without 1 negative post? 19 pages, hundreds of people getting together, weekend long parties that are now tradition and not one person acting like a child? 19 pages of Pictures of children getting involved enjoying doing the right thing. We can't even have a conversation without a verabal sparring match.

Thus I say I appreciate your leadership in making this a forum that promotes outdoor fellowship. Thank You For not finding any little thing, be it right or wrong, to pick at this thread. Thank you for holding this project in the highest regards. I know if I had young children, your posts are the ones I wish they would read because you bring a plethora of positive to our outdoor world. If I was a paying sponsor your positive enlightenment is what I would want my customers to read.


Thank you Sir

Wal. The other forum you talk about is all sport fisherman that are going hate ANY commercial fishing period, unless they are off shore drifting behind a shrimp boat. What you did is a good thing ( cleaning up the bay) how you went about cussing and slandering crabbers was a bad thing. Unless your diet consist of nothing but fresh air and scenery I wouldn't go around bashing people that feed you

Yet another thread going right straight into the toilet.

Even after the man asks you in public you two still can't give it up. What new members would want to join this site with this going on? The best choice for me was to hit the ignore button for a few people. Unfortunately it won't allow me to do that to the mod.

http://texashuntingforum.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/6194819/let's_make_it_a_good_2016#Post6194819

Wal stop trying to set me up for something I haven't done. You insulted a mod, I then answered a question and complimented you on your efforts. Stop trying to troll this convo into something it isn't

He didn't insult me just doesnt understand what I was saying nor clearly will he. The thread hasnt went in the toilot. Clean up was a success and so are the regulations that commercial and sportsmen are following.

Good news is regulations are working, it evident that the trap construction laws are being followed and the death trap association is just rhetoric.

No it isnt Bobo. EVERY trap I pulled was in fact illegal. Each fall out door was not tied with twine, each was crimped with stainless steel bulldog crimps. Wired shut. They are allowed to use wire but not stainless steel bulldog crimps. I do get it. I mentioned my dislike for the industry a long time ago. John stepped in and I stopped. It is you and your posse that won't let that statement go. You keep throwing in your twisted tidbits of false information like the fish dumped in silt. You weren't even there to see they were dumped from the trap and then thrown over board. You found one little thing, that happened to be wrong, and you picked at it. Why is it you are allowed to continue to do this to every thread I have posted since the beginning of duck season. I haven't seen one positive thing you offer the board. I have never seen you try to organize hunts with THF members. I have ever seen you organize anything to gather members about and promote the site. Right now all your doing is keeping this going until I trip the trigger to get banned. Why are you allowed to keep doing this? Your an instigator not a moderator. You're trolling not moderating.

Doing what???? Its called having an opinion supported by facts?

OK we will make this personal. Johe stepped and corrected you BS with the regulations.


Those are the same traps you can buy at tackle town, Academy etc.
Just because the rings hadnt rusted out yet doesnt make them SS. They are legal, hence why fish where alive. Why not pics of fish bones wal?

I'm sorry you take issue with the fact I don't like the way you take shots at a profession under disguise of conservation, I think it's BS. You did it in the first thread and did it again in this thread

Sorry if you are upset because I find it offensive that you preach conservation of the bay then dumped a bunch of undersized sheephead in bottomed of the boat to be covered with sand and silt for a glorious photo opportunity...Ya I think thats irresponsible and sick


Great job on the crab trap clean up, but
Again you have to take shots.

Like I said before waste of breath. As far as THF hunts that's funny, extremely funny.

You don't even know the rings that I'm talking about. I haven't even posted a picture of the Bulldog stainless steel crimps. I'm not talking about the two and a half inch escape hatch for fish I am talking about the large fall away door that is allowed to fall after the trap has been in the water for a period of time. I have not even posted a picture of the Bulldog crimps on the fall away doors.

What ever you say Wal.. you where clueless to the regs after your BS rant last time, hence sniper posting them for you.

It's very clear now your motivation isn't conservation but targeting an industry.
That's not cool

Your assumptions and ability create a story are amazing.

I have no dog in this fight, but would like to know how dumping a fish out in the bottom of a boat is SICK. I do it all the time when fishing out of my muddy jon boat so as not to get finned. Then I release them or string them. The released fish show no ill effects?

I don't give a rat's arse who likes or dislikes crabbing or any other industry. Cleaning up waters is a good thing.

Carry on

Bobo, I don't think you are getting a custom call for Christmas either. Welcome to the club.

Boy, that sounds familiar. Some folks, aka "the Posse", runnin their suck just to.......run it.
Haters are gonna hate.



If rational, informative, intelligent, entertaining dialogue were requisite for THF membership, there would be significantly fewer posse trolls.

In all honesty, Wal's posts are some of the more informative and entertaining posts for duck hunters. I'd ban his fanboys, aka posse, before I'd ban Wal.

If burning at the stake was an option instead of banning certain nefarious characters, I bet a " 1st Annual THF Wal's Posse BBQ and sacrificial bonfire" would be a hit.



I've asked that very same question concerning "the posse's" propensity for trolling folks to the point of absurdity.. One of the great mysteries in life, particularly why it's allowed. The sites I mod, they get one warning. ONE. Then ban purgatory.

Since we're riding our high horses (and Wal won't respond to my PM's), that piece of 100 yo Bois 'de Arc that you sweet talked out of my buddy under the premise of making us all a commemorative duck call as a momento for the goose hunt he hosted last Feb, I've given up on ever getting that call but I'd appreciate it if you'd at the very least make him the call and send it to him. He didn't want to give it away but after the umpteenth time hearing you.talk about wanting some and him ignoring it, he felt like he didn't really have much of a choice. He and I both put a lot of time and effort into organizing and planing that hunt. Hell of a way to show your gratitude.

I hunt KS every year and this year Ive heard all the "Isn't he a cop? Why would he do that......" BS I care to hear. It's embarassing, and You promised to make us a call for the wood and it's been over a year. I've PM'd you about it and you don't reply, I'd say it's pretty damn obvious you have no intention of making good on your word.

You posted a thread on one of the Bois de Arc you're selling made from the wood he gave you. Make him a call and I'll pay you for it. Tell me what it costs, how you want to be paid, and ship it to my house. I'll see that he get's it.

Before anyone ( or the "posse") runs their suck, it is my damn business. Steve's my friend, he and I organized the hunt for you guys, spent a lot of time putting it together, and you were welcomed into my home instead of sleeping in a motel. We all heard you mention how you always wanted to make a call out of that wood to the point that Steve brought up the matter when he said privately that he didn't really have that much wood and didn't want to give it away. And I was sitting at the dinner table when the conversation took place promising each one of us a call in exchange for it.

That's a heck of a position to be put in. Cop or not, it's BS. And I'm tired of making excuses for it..

The timing is wrong for me to light your hind end on fire on this forum in front of everyone. There is no doubt you're telling a lie. Steve has been contacted regularly by Robert, even as soon as two days ago. I have talked to Steve. Steve got a picture of 4 calls and was allowed to pick first. He received video of the calls while they were being made. What you put out there is nothing but a pure BS made up lie. By the way you probably ought to take the post down. Now is the really not a good time on the thf for this stuff. You probably should call Robert back. He will explain all the questions you have. If you need further coddling you have my telephone number.

These The calls you say I didn't make?

What damn difference does it make if Robert or whoever called him or not? I organized the hunt, I sent you several PM's about the calls and never received ONE SINGLE RESPONSE.

If you made the calls, why no response to my PM's ASKING about the calls? And why all of a sudden, over a year later, you suddenly have an explanation that you made four calls, Roberts calling so and so, or whatever. I'm glad Robert stepped up, but he didn't promise to make the calls. YOU DID. You were gonna make four including one for me. Numerous unanswered PM's later, you post a pic of four calls. If THE PRESUMPTION IS ONE IS FOR ME, IT's odd this is the first I've heard about it from anyone. Ifyou'd had any intention of sending me the call, why am I just now hearing about it?

You talk a damn good story Wal. All this effort and work on the calls. And now, after attempts to contact you about it and getting no response, you show a pic of four calls over a year later. With a convenient backstory. After a public post about the issue.

It doesn't surprise me Robert handled it, that's the kind of man he is, a man of his word. But he didn't promise to make the calls, you did. And personally, I don't think you had any intention of doing so. You didn't have the decency to even answer a damn PM about it.

Regarding the who, what, where and when I hunt, or who with, they know better than to discuss it. Lesson learned, the sure as hell won't happen again for damn sure.

There is a very good reason I no longer have contact. Pm or call hogman for an explanation and leave this off the forum. When two game wardens on different occasions warn Hogman about hunting with you, I have to sever any communications. Leave this off the forum, call Hogman. He will explain the whole episode where the game wardens warned him about being with you. I tried to tell you to stop. So just stop. If you just can't help yourself then pm hog, just leave me out.

Wal, I've heard you talk out of your backside so many times it's rediculous. I don't believe a damn thing that comes out of your mouth. Which is apparently the consensus based on the comms I've gotten from members on this board as well as THF staff.

The issue isn't about "game warden said this, game warden said that". It's about you. I've talked to Robert, Leroy, Josh, and other GW's enough and see them regularly when hunting. And they have no qualms about contacting someone if there's a concern on their part. I'm certain that if there was an issue with a GW I'd know about it as the GW's know me well, and have my number, and wouldn't hesitate to contact me if I was a "bad" hunter or had a reason to. The fact is, I hunt legally, hunt a lot, and know a hell of a lot more GW's than just Josh and Leroy. I've known Leroy for 20+ years, and he wouldn't hesitate to tell me if there was an issue. But he hasn't, nor has any TPWD LEO or employee. Just you. So instead of deflecting the issue were discussing to some perceived flaw on my part, focus on the ISSUE WE'RE DISCUSSING. You keeping your word. Focus on fixing your issues then you'll have the moral high ground to point fingers at others, whether real, or imagined. out what you're saying is an issue. Considering how often I see Leroy and Josh and have contact with TPWD administrative personnel and LEO's. you'd think I'd heard something. Particularly since I've passed a fairly rigorous background check, received training, and meet the requirements to be registered with TPWD as an Angler Educator Instructor.

You say the local GW's told Robert don't hunt with me cause I'm bad. Yet, I'm registered with and entrusted by TPWD to work with children as an Angler Educator, and teach adults and children to fly fish, which I do regularly, as a TPWD representative. I wear a TPWD Badge and shirt when teaching, and am asked to teach several times a week. At the State Fair, at TPWD workshops, at conventions, at big box retailers, and many othe events. And I'm in contact with TPWD Administrative personnel on a regular basis. But you (or whoever) said GW said blah, blah, blah he's bad don't hunt with him.....I swear, you'd think this was preschool.

What matters is keeping your promise to Steve. If you've handled it with Steve, next on the list is the call you promised me for putting the hunt together. You made four, I'm assuming I'll be getting it soon. I'm looking forward to getting it. Thank you for putting the time and effort into getting it done.

There are other forms of communication other than the forum. Please use those other forms of communication. You have access to my telephone number as it is plastered all over Google. Hog man is the one that gave me the information you should hear it from him.

10. Do not try to solve personal problems live on the forum. Most of the members aren't interested in watching you and someone else resolve your problems live on the THF. If you are concerned about an interaction with someone and are interested in resolving it, send him or her an email (if they offer an email address in their forum profile). If you don't get a response, just let it go. They may not be interested in communicating with you. If you feel the need to make a public apology about something or to someone, please do so, however, if you don’t get a response, just let it go.