Posted By: Cleric
New kahles 3-18 - 01/14/18 12:44 AM
https://www.eurooptic.com/Kahles-K318i-3-18x50-CCW-SKMR3-w-right-Riflescope-10633.aspx
Have not heard too much about kahles
Have not heard too much about kahles
New kahles 3-18
Posted By: Txhillbilly
Re: New kahles 3-18 - 01/14/18 01:22 AM
One of the best scopes made.
Posted By: Eyesofahunter
Re: New kahles 3-18 - 01/14/18 01:40 AM
Very good stuff.
Posted By: Buzzsaw
Re: New kahles 3-18 - 01/14/18 03:14 PM
I'm starting to see these on some Big Boy Rifles
Posted By: scottfromdallas
Re: New kahles 3-18 - 01/14/18 03:49 PM
I'm sure it's just me but $3,000+ for a scope without thermal imaging is ridiculous.
Posted By: Cleric
Re: New kahles 3-18 - 01/14/18 04:25 PM
Originally Posted By: scottfromdallas
I'm sure it's just me but $3,000+ for a scope without thermal imaging is ridiculous.
The new price point for "high end optics" is 2k-3k
Vortex gen 2/amg
Nightfoce ATACR
S&B on sale are high 2ks low 3ks (depending on model)
Leupold Mark 5/6
Bushnell elite tactical series
Posted By: scottfromdallas
Re: New kahles 3-18 - 01/14/18 04:27 PM
I know but I still think it's insane. I guess they will keep raising the prices until people stop buying them.
Posted By: Cleric
Re: New kahles 3-18 - 01/14/18 04:31 PM
Originally Posted By: scottfromdallas
I know but I still think it's insane. I guess they will keep raising the prices until people stop buying them.
I will say optically those scopes are some of the best out there... Its not worth it to a lot of people which i understand.
What opened my eye to the difference was elk hunting. We were in a draw and sun was going down. Someone thought they saw an elk in some trees and we thought it was going to pop out soon. Given the time we set up for a shot and on my PST i lost enough light to see reliably enough before shooting time ended. The razor there was still doing fine.
It all depends on what you are using the scope for
Posted By: J.G.
Re: New kahles 3-18 - 01/14/18 04:53 PM
^^Agreed
Posted By: Buzzsaw
Re: New kahles 3-18 - 01/14/18 05:01 PM
I'm still putting the ATACR , HIGH on the list
Posted By: J.G.
Re: New kahles 3-18 - 01/14/18 05:04 PM
Originally Posted By: Buzzsaw
I'm still putting the ATACR , HIGH on the list
Smart.
You're welcome to look through mine anytime you like.
Is there better glass? Probably. Is the ATACR glass great? Sure is. Are there more reliable tracking turrets, and a tougher scope out there? Not as far as I'm comcerned.
Posted By: Cleric
Re: New kahles 3-18 - 01/14/18 05:12 PM
Originally Posted By: Buzzsaw
I'm still putting the ATACR , HIGH on the list
understandably so...The issue with a lot of these scopes is they all have good features so a lot of it comes down to quality of glass and that is so flipping subjective
Some people put the kahles at a high quality in glass than NF- but the question is how much better and when does it make a difference>
There is for more of a difference between these scopes and the mid tier scopes (xtr, pst1/2, etc) than among these scopes based on what i have seen.
What i think NF has done VERY well is strike a balance of features with weight and their build quality is considered top notch
Build quality>warranty any day of the week
Posted By: J.G.
Re: New kahles 3-18 - 01/14/18 05:18 PM
^^Agreed, again. 
Posted By: Brother in-law
Re: New kahles 3-18 - 01/14/18 06:25 PM
Kahles is a Swaro that actually tracks
Posted By: TexFlip
Re: New kahles 3-18 - 01/14/18 07:06 PM
High roller thread.
Posted By: Txhillbilly
Re: New kahles 3-18 - 01/15/18 08:10 AM
If you spend any time behind scopes you will see the difference in the optical quality of scopes.
$300 - $500 = OK
$500 - $700 = Good
$750 - $1000 = Very Good
$1000 -$2000 = Excellent
$2000 -$3500 = Unbelievable
$3500+ = I hope you make a living with it!
$300 - $500 = OK
$500 - $700 = Good
$750 - $1000 = Very Good
$1000 -$2000 = Excellent
$2000 -$3500 = Unbelievable
$3500+ = I hope you make a living with it!
Posted By: patriot07
Re: New kahles 3-18 - 01/15/18 11:30 AM
Originally Posted By: Cleric
Originally Posted By: scottfromdallas
I'm sure it's just me but $3,000+ for a scope without thermal imaging is ridiculous.
The new price point for "high end optics" is 2k-3k
Vortex gen 2/amg
Nightfoce ATACR
S&B on sale are high 2ks low 3ks (depending on model)
Leupold Mark 5/6
Bushnell elite tactical series
Posted By: Cleric
Re: New kahles 3-18 - 01/15/18 02:22 PM
Originally Posted By: Txhillbilly
If you spend any time behind scopes you will see the difference in the optical quality of scopes.
$300 - $500 = OK
$500 - $700 = Good
$750 - $1000 = Very Good
$1000 -$2000 = Excellent
$2000 -$3500 = Unbelievable
$3500+ = I hope you make a living with it!
$300 - $500 = OK
$500 - $700 = Good
$750 - $1000 = Very Good
$1000 -$2000 = Excellent
$2000 -$3500 = Unbelievable
$3500+ = I hope you make a living with it!
I find it funny when people drop 2-3X that on a hunt then wonder why they can't connect with a 500$ scope...
An alaska trip looks to cost 10-30k MIN...at that rate i want a scope i know can survive it there and back no matter what
Posted By: ccoker
Re: New kahles 3-18 - 01/15/18 03:57 PM
I have owned several Khales scopes..
outstanding glass and have tracked true
This scope interests me
outstanding glass and have tracked true
This scope interests me
Posted By: QuitShootinYoungBucks
Re: New kahles 3-18 - 01/15/18 04:27 PM
Originally Posted By: Cleric
Originally Posted By: Txhillbilly
If you spend any time behind scopes you will see the difference in the optical quality of scopes.
$300 - $500 = OK
$500 - $700 = Good
$750 - $1000 = Very Good
$1000 -$2000 = Excellent
$2000 -$3500 = Unbelievable
$3500+ = I hope you make a living with it!
$300 - $500 = OK
$500 - $700 = Good
$750 - $1000 = Very Good
$1000 -$2000 = Excellent
$2000 -$3500 = Unbelievable
$3500+ = I hope you make a living with it!
I find it funny when people drop 2-3X that on a hunt then wonder why they can't connect with a 500$ scope...
An alaska trip looks to cost 10-30k MIN...at that rate i want a scope i know can survive it there and back no matter what
I might not own one long term, but for Africa or Alaska, buying one and selling it after would be good insurance. What’s a few hundred bucks on top of the $ of those trips.
Posted By: Cleric
Re: New kahles 3-18 - 01/15/18 05:43 PM
Originally Posted By: ccoker
I have owned several Khales scopes..
outstanding glass and have tracked true
This scope interests me
outstanding glass and have tracked true
This scope interests me
I am going to be interested to see the actual specs- if the weight is on par or lower than 4-16ATACR could be a good alternative
Originally Posted By: QuitShootinYoungBucks
Originally Posted By: Cleric
Originally Posted By: Txhillbilly
If you spend any time behind scopes you will see the difference in the optical quality of scopes.
$300 - $500 = OK
$500 - $700 = Good
$750 - $1000 = Very Good
$1000 -$2000 = Excellent
$2000 -$3500 = Unbelievable
$3500+ = I hope you make a living with it!
$300 - $500 = OK
$500 - $700 = Good
$750 - $1000 = Very Good
$1000 -$2000 = Excellent
$2000 -$3500 = Unbelievable
$3500+ = I hope you make a living with it!
I find it funny when people drop 2-3X that on a hunt then wonder why they can't connect with a 500$ scope...
An alaska trip looks to cost 10-30k MIN...at that rate i want a scope i know can survive it there and back no matter what
I might not own one long term, but for Africa or Alaska, buying one and selling it after would be good insurance. What’s a few hundred bucks on top of the $ of those trips.
Most def agree- i wonder if there would be enough demand to start a scope loan company- Rent some of the big boys under the premise of you don't shoot/hunt enough to justify buying one, but if you need one for a big trip its available.
Posted By: J.G.
Re: New kahles 3-18 - 01/15/18 05:53 PM
A rental company exists for observation optics. I don't see why it wouldn't work for rifle scopes.
Posted By: scottfromdallas
Re: New kahles 3-18 - 01/15/18 06:07 PM
Originally Posted By: TexFlip
High roller thread.
This^^^^^^^
Posted By: patriot07
Re: New kahles 3-18 - 01/15/18 06:45 PM
Yeah they rent camera lenses for much the same reason.
Posted By: cheetah577
Re: New kahles 3-18 - 01/16/18 02:23 AM
I have a Kahles scope. I bought it used off Gunbroker. It is outstanding.
Posted By: James US
Re: New kahles 3-18 - 01/16/18 09:15 AM
I've had a Kahles scope. It's clear and so good
Posted By: Deerhunter61
Re: New kahles 3-18 - 01/21/18 04:59 AM
Originally Posted By: Txhillbilly
If you spend any time behind scopes you will see the difference in the optical quality of scopes.
My adjustments to your list?..
$300 - $500 = So so for a .22
$500 - $700 = bottom rung of possibly acceptable for a hunting scope, meaning decent glass.
$750 - $1000 = Getting to the more acceptable glass but not real good, still only for hunting scopes.
$1000 -$2000 = Really too big a spread but if you shop you can find a pretty decent scope.
$2000 -$3500 = Again too big a spread $ wise...3k+ is where you're gonna find really good scopes. If you shop you might find one that rates this much new for a little less used.
$3500+ Naw....but for me it'd be a one time buy...in other words it'd be the first one and the last one I'd spend that much for.
My adjustments to your list?..
$300 - $500 = So so for a .22
$500 - $700 = bottom rung of possibly acceptable for a hunting scope, meaning decent glass.
$750 - $1000 = Getting to the more acceptable glass but not real good, still only for hunting scopes.
$1000 -$2000 = Really too big a spread but if you shop you can find a pretty decent scope.
$2000 -$3500 = Again too big a spread $ wise...3k+ is where you're gonna find really good scopes. If you shop you might find one that rates this much new for a little less used.
$3500+ Naw....but for me it'd be a one time buy...in other words it'd be the first one and the last one I'd spend that much for.
Posted By: Cleric
Re: New kahles 3-18 - 01/21/18 08:59 PM
Posted By: snake oil
Re: New kahles 3-18 - 01/27/18 08:13 AM
Would you lease a scope for a hunt that you paid 30K for......LOL
Posted By: Huckleberry75
Re: New kahles 3-18 - 01/27/18 02:29 PM
Originally Posted By: patriot07
Originally Posted By: Cleric
Originally Posted By: scottfromdallas
I'm sure it's just me but $3,000+ for a scope without thermal imaging is ridiculous.
The new price point for "high end optics" is 2k-3k
Vortex gen 2/amg
Nightfoce ATACR
S&B on sale are high 2ks low 3ks (depending on model)
Leupold Mark 5/6
Bushnell elite tactical series
Try pricing out a Hensoldt...who needs that second kidney anyway?