X-Sight - Add on IR

Hey guys,
I know I havent been active on the forum but do read about what you all have to say about the Xsight and your concerns. I know you guys dont see it but a lot of your feedback is ending up with the right people who are working diligently on addressing these issues.

I need you help with one more thing.

I am pushing ATN to carry an add-on IR which further improves the Xsight performance. The IR that comes standard with Xsight is a decent IR but we all know there are better alternatives available. My question to you all is, how much would you really pay for a good IR that allows you to see 200-250 yards?

I know the best answer and preference would be nothing OR why don't you fix the dimming issue, but for the sake of discussion lets just stick to the topic please.

Would you pay $400 for a super powerful IR?
Would you pay $200 for a good performing IR?

Putting a TICO thermal clip-on in front of the X-Sight would be better for night use.

I know you are here for nothing but thread crapping so please stay out. You specifically are not welcomed on this discussion.

But Chip Fong told me a TICO is the best?

No it was VIC from TNVC, so and $hit somewhere else. You future post will be ignored and you have been reported to moderators.

Sachal

Im running a t-67 on two of mine and before the dimming demon got me I was getting 900 yds out of them. After the demon Im down to about 225 max on a full moon night, about 170 on a new moon. This illuminator does (advertised) 1k lumen with the ir pill in it. The focus feature is the big thing for me.
Sorry for bringing the dimming into play but it has affected the range that the scope can see at night.
The factory supplied illuminator is ok at best but at least one was sent with the units. Great for a starter.

$400 for a super duper IR

Shadow, thank you for your feedback. Is this illuminator available in the US market? I only see it listed on UK websites.

I don't actually have the x-sight anymore but I hope to again. Anyway the T67 and others are available on ALiexpress for around 40 delivered I just two in. Ebay also. I personally would pay more for a laser illuminator. Great to see you here please let us know when they get the other problems worked out and I'll be on the x-sight bandwagon. I know that's not why you're here but if ATN would be a little more forthcoming with their interest in fixing the problems there would be a lot less people getting rid of them just my $0.02 thanks Dale

Dale I appreciate your feedback. I know it is hard to see all the activity on our end but everyone here is working restlessly to fix whatever issues are left with the Xsight. If you see the amount of firmware updates we have released in the past couple of months, it should show our dedication and commitment to the product and our customer satisfaction. Should we do more outreach to our customers? Absolutely. There is always room for more.

Is all that in the works, Yes. We are definitively looking into different systems that allow us to better connect with our customers and get hands feedback from them that helps us improve our product.

I would say no more than 200.00 for the super duper powerful IR and 100.00 for a better than stock IR option.

The bottomline for me is the X-sight's total price is sub 1k so the IR shouldn't take it over 1k.

It can perform better than scopes costing twice as much and I would be happy with that BUT I won't spend more than 20% of the total cost of the unit on an IR because there are too many current illuminators available on the market or yet to come that will make the performance close for less $$$.

Sachal, glad you are back on the forum. Seems like you left, right as I found it. Lots of information on this forum, the most I've been able to find anyway. I don't facebook.

I have to agree. I just got into the NV game. Bought the 5-18, and sent it back for the 3-12 because the FOV was to narrow. I ordered a T-50 on Ebay for $42.00 from China. Good Panasonic re-chargables, and a good charger cost a little more. I would like to be able to see to 250yds, but doubt that I'll be shooting that far.

Sachal,
I bought mine from the uk and the seller mentioned that he had a distributor here in the US but the price was double, therefore I ordered direct. I still have the contactnfo if you want it and you guys can sort it out.

Shadow, do you mind sending me their contact info. There are definitely plenty of options available, I guess the biggest challenge is to find an optimal balance of price/performance/size and durability.

If you guys have any other input, please feel free to share that with me.

Sachal - welcome back!

I bought a UNV20IR for about 200 bucks. It gets me out to about 200-250, never measured it but I'm in the ball park.

Based on that I would pay 200, get me to 300 to 350 yards I would go $300.

Not to hijack the thread but do you guys sell refurbed thermal monoculars? If so pm or email me.

I've been using the ones off ebay T20, T38, T50 for a fraction of the price and work just as good as my $100-$150 ones.

T20 - $37
http://www.ebay.com/itm/T20-Infrared-Lig...=item43d88e6c01

T38 - $36

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Infrared-Light-H...=item462fe55191

T50 - $42

http://www.ebay.com/itm/809-Classy-Hunti...=item43d4d01a20

carls customz on ebay, item number 201305566724 is the ones i would recommend, but they are in England. The problem you're going to get is there are 2 oslon black ir pills. One is much more powerful than the other. This is the one we have been using for the past couple of years, but they are power hungry and you will need a couple of spare batterys with you. To sort this out they brought another oslon black out and the battery lasted a lot longer, but the unit is nowhere near as good as the higher power ones. I bought one from china and put it at the side of my carls customz unit and found out it had the lower power oslon black fitted, so no good to me

Question for you guys.

Would you guys sacrifice some contrast for brighter image? After numerous testing, it looks like anytime the sensor detects anything reflective or brighter in the center of the screen, it adjusts the contrast to compensate for the washed out effect. Now the sensor is doing what it is supposed to do, but in certain cases can cause the image to get darker.

If we lock the contrast at a certain parameter and make the image brighter, would you guys be OK with the washed out image?

Take a look at this video for example, exactly at 0:21 minute, the grass is completely washed out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy-oXysypIs

I looked at the video and didn't see anything objectionable at the point you mentioned.

This is a video of a Photon and not an x sight. Is that the right one?

A few questions:

Could you make the feature you propose configurable so it can be turned on and off?

Could you make the auto dimming thing (sensor)configurable to turn on and off?

Can you lock the contrast as proposed and let us try it out?

I would try it. If possible as a later fix make the up and down button adjust contrast when in the brightness mode. Left/right brightness up/down contrast

Dale

Instead of having a contrast lock at a certain point for the developer, can you have it user adjustable?
each user is probably using different IR lights, some brighter and some dimmer.

With an adjustable setting, let the user decide the amount of washout effect for his hunting situation.

This sounds like the way to go.

Back to your original question, Sachal:

Something along the line of the UNV20IR for about 200 bucks would satisfy my requirements. Because of my hunting environment here in Central Texas, I don't have 200 yard + night sight shooting opportunities.

eddie, are these units an improvement over the factory-supplied IR on the X-sights?

Yes we will take washout over contrast.

The beauty of adjustable heads on IR lights is that you can control the beam and tune the image to your preference on image characteristics.

The video you posted had too much IR at some points but the guy operating the equipment was focused on tracking the animal and not fiddling with the IR light.

Happens all the time but we deal with it

I'd pay no more than $200 for an IR. I paid $80 for a T20 and $45 for a T50. Both do a great job and are adjustable though the T50 is a bit long.

they are far better than the factory IR, they work as good as the high end ones at a fraction of the cost, been very satisfied.

Absolutely.....forget the contrast and let me deal with it with an adjustable IR.

Heck yea. Ive been begging for it. Bring it on Ill be your Huckleberry....

me to brighter image every time. your ir will adjust the wash out. when i first bought my x sight i could get out over 340yds with my t74 ir as my vids on you tube show. i also did some ratting on fishing pond again with my t74 ir at as little as 15 yards . there was very little wash out. as all i did was flood the ir. pleas give us it back

My T38 is almost as good as my UNV20IR and 75% cheaper.

sorry guys, as much as everyone would like to have the ability to control the contrast setting, it is not possible. There are variable features associated with the contrast setting and would require a lot of work. The team is looking into the NV mode optimization and I will keep you guys posted.

Thank you

Uh...pretty much this? Read the thread, pal.

Oh so somebody else posts pointless information and you are like the exclamation point on said valueless posts?!?!?!

You have to understand that most respondents here are new to the sight/website and have no interest in a continued drama from previous threads , those who merely read these threads for information and don't post also probably can care less, the remainder of us who frequent the board are annoyed by your tired act.

There are no insults left in the Xsight game, it's now time to move on and either stay away from the sight or buy it for what it is (a first year model product).

Add on IR.

PLEASE

S6275,

Grow up...be a man and put your money where you mouth is. Sell your xsight and buy something else. You ran your mouth already about doing this so just do it. Your input adds no value at
I no longer own the xsight and this issue was one of the reasons I abandoned it.

Sachal I think your on the right track getting this worked out.

Are we really back to this again?


OUT

Sachal gets a pass? Is that so you guys keep receiving your free demo units?

Unbelieveable.

I don't want the thing. Sachal offered to "take care of me" as refunds go, then vanished when I got serious. No one wants it for what I paid...and why should they? There are plenty to be had for $100-$200 less from sellers who have decided enough is enough, and are willing to take a bath. I'm not.

Enjoy your free demos. And your $400 vaporware Chinese IR. There...back on topic.

Wrong again, I offered to buy it.
As stated in my last post all you want to do is fight.

I haven't gotten anything free and doubt seriously anyone else has.

I sure didn't

Looks like one of my posts got deleted. Didn't think I crossed any line but if so, mea culpa.

Having read the thread seems to me we all want the same thing drop auto dimming and let us deal with the brightness using our own ir torches. Would help if they brought back 720p. Off topic splatty on nightvisionforumuk is selling an adjustable base which I thought might work for some of you if adapted to sort out the eay off zero on our x-sights. Just an idea might not work but better than bits of coke can.

Thanks for clearing that up at least now we know and can move on.
Dale

i think someone tryed to fix somthing that wasent broke id say we all wont it back as it was and with sound we would be happy at that

I believe the auto dimming was added to compensate for the daytime washout a lot of us were seeing when the sun was in front of point of aim. I know mine was unusable in two of my stands in these conditions. Unfortunately, as is often the case they compromised the NV to help daytime use. But hey, the day/night marketing hype is great for sales.

in that case why dident they give us a filter for day time use and leave the night vision side alone. you can get the filters of ebay

The list of why did they or why didn't they is long on the xsight and I sure don't have the answers, and based on the number of updates since January, they still don't have the answers either.

I thought they gave all you guys over there free sunshades? So why the need to autodim. Pointing any scope into the sun without a shade or filter is going to give issues just the way it is. They need to go back to basics and fix one thing at a time preferably those things that make it work as a scope, ie decnt daytime, it had that, and decnt nv, it had that then they screwed it up. If those two things aren't working then the rest of the periferal things such as sound, etc are pointless cos it won't be going anywhere near my guns. I use my guns to shoot not play karaoke

Wrong claim. NV contrast has nothing to do with day time imgae.

Sachal, glad you come back here.
In X-sight, is there an auto-iris working? Do you know what caused the flicking when I set "light amplification" to "low"?
Thanks for the help.

Same here.
Onto the IR. I've been happy with my adjustable power T20 I got off of E gads.
Cost me $100 for the T20, decent charger and 4 batteries.
I counteract the contrast issue in close quarters by turning the IR to the lowest power and make it a wider beam.
I haven't had any issues with long range field hunting scenarios.
I'm looking for a used 3x for close work and keeping the 5x on my LR rig.