Question about deer hunting and leasing my pasture for cattle

I think I have the answer from this thread, but I'd like everyone's feedback about whether I should lease my pasture for cattle.

Context:

I have 114 acres, about 60 in pasture (cross-fenced into two 30 acres sections), the rest woods. One neighbor is 4500 acres, no cattle. One neighbor is 1,000 acres, and I've only ever seen about 5 cattle at a time on his place. Two other neighbors are about 200 acres each, and only one of those has cattle (about 3).

A friend of mine asked me if I'd be open to him leasing my pasture (he has about 12-15 head). He's a great guy, and his family has lived and owned land in the area for a few generations. The way my land is set up, I have one tower blind, and the feeder is about 40 yards on the other side of the pasture fence, so cattle, in theory, wouldn't be able to get to it. In other words, the feeder is on the edge of the woods that borders the pasture. I've only owned the place for about two years, and this was the first deer season I've taken anything (an 8-point). Overall, I'm pleased with the deer I've seen from the blind and on camera--no monsters, but a good handful of up-and-coming bucks, and 6-8 doe any given morning or evening. This year seems to be a bit richer than last, but I've been feeding all year, so that may explain it.

For years, we would buy hunts, and even with our land now, I still like to take my boys out to west or north Texas, so we don't put a lot of hunting pressure on our land. Neighbors hunt, and I don't know for sure, but I don't get the feeling that anyone is overhunting (just based on the number of shots I tend to hear--or not hear--in the mornings and evenings.

One last thing: I really don't need the money. My friend just said it would be a huge help to him as he is always looking for land near his ranch to rotate his cattle onto. In addition to paying me per acre, he also said he would take care of any fence work that needed to be done or any other maintenance associated with the animals.

Given all the above, what should I be thinking about as I decide whether to move forward with extending him a lease?

Thanks for the feedback.

I wouldn't lease it to him, it will be a hassle for you and if he starts to overgraze it you will be pissed at him and your land will suffer. Now if he needed a place to keep a few cows during the summer only I would be open to that with the ability to ask him to remove them at the first sign of overgrazing.

I wouldn't lease either, unless he removed them before deer season.

Depends on what area the property is in, makes a big difference in acres per AU.
Most places I lease I wouldn't put 12-15 on 114 acres for more than brief periods with reasonable pasture rest between on periods.

If he's talking about a strict rotation type lease, a specified amount of head, number of days and time of pasture rest, it could be a good deal for both.
If he wants year around access for his cattle as he see's fit,, nope.

You're the LO, you can set / specify / structure anything to your liking in the contract.
Like cattle off Oct 1 ~ Feb 1 or no more than x head or x AU, no bulls / aggressive livestock removed immediately at LO request,,, whatever trips your trigger.

One of the tracts that I hunt is roughly 70 acres of pasture and 30 acres of hardwood? The landowner runs about 20 head of cattle on it. Without any feeders and food plots, I saw more deer on that 30 acres this year than I did on another, heavily wooded 100 acre tract that has both a food plot and feeder on it. After looking at satellite images, I found several pinch points that made it a natural deer highway to and from adjacent properties. I placed stands at these pinch points and saw deer on 90% of the hunts.

I usually see whitetails avoid cattle, and mule deer eating right in the middle of them. The whitetails don’t leave though, they just eat and sleep where the cattle aren’t. Obviously you don’t want him damaging your land, but cattle presence on the pasture only and not in the same pasture as your blind and feed really won’t bother you. If anything, it’ll push deer to your area because they’ll avoid the cattle in the opposite enclosure and the cattle will reduce forage in that pasture as well. Your feeder and pasture without cattle will become preferred. Not to mention he’s you’re friend and a great guy. Friends help each other out. Tell him that you want to help and would be happy for him to lease your pasture, and then simply voice any concerns you have regarding overgrazing and the amount of time you think cattle should be in the pasture without giving it a rest. Either your preferences will be fine with him and he’ll lease the land from and be very greatful to have you as a friend, or he’ll realize that he’s better off putting his cattle somewhere else and he’ll still be greatful to have you as a friend for offering to let him graze his cattle even when you had concerns about it.

If you don’t need the money, don’t lease it. Other people’s cows are annoying to have around in my experience.

I did the same thing but it was not for a friend just someone who need a little bit more land. and it worked out, But he was only allowed to have the cattle on the property from March 1st to October 1st. I don't bow hunt so it worked for me.

Thanks for the feedback, everyone. Very helpful. I was thinking about doing a six-month type of thing. I'm guessing that if we did something like March 1 through August 31, it wouldn't affect deer patterns through the actual season then (I don't bow hunt)?

I guess I see it differently than many, IMO there could be a few advantages.

If the land was under AG exemption, having cattle on it may allow you to keep it, or get it. This could allow you to pursue a wildlife exemption down the road if you want to go that route.

You didn't say if it was improved pasture, or native range, but you may be able to have him plant the 30 acres near the trees on his dime with oats/wheat each fall if he has access to a no till drill (no cost to you). If the cows are off by say Sept-March, you will have oats to hunt over, deer will have extra browse and he can turn the cows on it early to clean it off.

You will have your fences looked after, but more importantly, extra eyes helping keep watch over your property.

If the fella is a good guy, and you treat him in kind, this could be the most advantages piece of the deal as far as community, word gets around pretty quick in rural communities and the more folks that like you there is very advantages for many reasons.

You can make the deal that doesn't make you a dime per se, but it could save you some, improve your land and work in your favor as well.

I agree with Western. From what I have seen is that Deer do better on pasture that has a few cattle on it. The cattle will eat down the taller grass so the deer can get to some of the forbs they could not get to before. As long as it is not over grazed it should be good.

Let him put cattle on your place in exchange for hunting rights on his place.

Hadn't even thought of that. Great idea.

I do have an ag exemption in place, but I like the idea of being set up for a wildlife exemption later. I have a tractor, but I'll admit that I'm not a huge fan of cutting--I just get bored too quickly after about 10 acres. So most of that 60 acres of pasture is native, with some ragweed, etc. I like the idea of cattle keeping it mowed naturally.

I agree with Western & don k.
I own & lease property for grazing my cattle on, my previous post came out a lot more jumbled up than I wanted it to.

Western has seen how I manage a small part of my operation.
Cattle & deer can do very well together, can be one of the better management tools, plus cow poo is the best cover scent known to man and it's free.

In all but 3 of my grazing leases the LO sets their expectations in writing. Some of them have some unique requests.
Just me, no matter how good a guy he is or even a close friend get the basics in writing, sometimes nothing screws up friendships faster than doing business together. Then you both have a paper to look back on when or if anything comes up.

If you are currently under AG, then you probably already meet the threshold for a Wildlife exemption, it would be worth finding out from the tax office, they should also have the requirements to file for it, like the yearly land management plan and other "stuff".

The neighbors cows could still be used for the "other" benefits even with the WE. As Don mentioned, keeping the native grasses in check, or manageable, what ever works with your WE management plan.

You can also contact your county Agriculture folks, they will have great knowledge of the area, have all kinds of materials and programs (less now than in the past due to budgets I'm sure) for land owners and they will meet you out there for FREE. Great resource to help you develop what you need on that land. They know the soils, plants, plant growth habits for the area ectra and did I mention they are FREE

I'm guessing they might also be able to tell me based on my soil type what kind of food plot would be most likely to flourish and be most beneficial for deer?

I totally agree as long as he is a good guy. I have 160 acres, 75% wooded with pasture scattered throughout, in NE Tx and my good neighbor runs about 3 dozen head on it. Cattle help to beat down the overgrowth in the woods and the deer use the area much more than before. Feeders are in small fenced pens to keep cattle out and I have only seen increases in the deer population since leasing the cattle rights years ago. A plus is the AG exemption lowering my taxes a lot and the fence upkeep and extra security!
If you have improved pasture I would definitely rotate grazing.

You can plug your land into Farm logs and get a pretty good soil map, rainfall tracking and many other things if you like. I use it and its pretty accurate.

Yes, they can tell you about soil type and improved pastures, forest and soil conservation. They also have plans to sign up for pond building, fences, etc. and pay for a large amount of it if it meets their conservation plan.

Oh yeah and then some, take a note pad, because you wont be able to remember everything they can tell you in a couple hrs. They deal with your county/area exclusively, other landowners problems and successes and pass what they know on, soil fertility, taking samples, brush growth, good and bad. Make a list of questions and wear comfortable walking shoes LOL

A great resource for LO's that is paid with by tax dollars, might as well use them and get any info you can use. They even "used to have" pond building subsidies, but I have heard those funds are almost impossible to get anymore, was a match grant type deal if built to their specs when I used it. In any event, he may also be able to give you ideas on water improvement if you have none, that is a huge plus IMo in land use and value.

Wanted to add :
They will also be able to give you their opinion, based on what they see with "boots on the ground" the carrying capacity roughly for cattle on your place, this may be helpful knowledge when negotiating a lease head/per acre. They may recommend based on observation, no grazing for a year, who knows.

We had a neighbor put cattle on our place in South Texas from June through August (3 months only.) The problems we had were: Cattle coming up to ranch house messing up yard (poop everywhere); going through the fence into other neighbors property and destroying deer feeders. Be sure you have a source of water for the cattle during a dry summer. Cattle can ruin a small but good fishing pond by wading in it. Cattle can also ruin a good dirt road during wet times.
Just things to keep in mind.

My uncle leases his out for grazing and hunting.....the cattle have to be off a month before rifle season starts and can't come back until after the season is over......

I had considered doing the same thing with my neighbor who asked me to lease it to him for 10-15 cows, but I decided against it simply because of the fact I don't want cow [censored] all over my place to worry about stepping in and driving through. I also don't want them tearing up feeders and blinds. Plus I do a lot of night hunting for hogs and don't want to worry about the cows getting in the way. The small amount of extra money wasn't worth it to me.

AG exemption is the key to me. Keeping it.
Without the exemption tax will go way up.
You OP being a two year owner may have a little play time, but you will reach the point and the tax people will come out and look for the cows. They don't see them then you will get the nasty letter saying your're loosing your AG.
Takes 5 years of running cows to get it back.
Plus the taxes are real high during that time if you have a house on the property.
Last year I got the letter. Had to set up an appointment, drive and meet them on site. Honked the horn and here they came. I told the girl this is how you do it, not just drive down the CR and look.
Taxes remain about $3,000 on 256 acres.

For sure on keeping the AG exemption. I renewed it with the county last January (my first January to own the property) based on the fact that the neighbor with about three head of cattle continues to mow a separate 10 acres on the property for hay production. I made sure to take pictures of him mowing and then of the hay bales in my barn after he'd baled it. He's trying to get an exemption on his land based on a pasture he is cultivating and the cattle he has, and he told me it's a pretty long process.

I've been hunting on a place for about eight years and when we got on the place the landowner told us he was going to run cattle from February until September and then remove them before bow season starts, and it is in the lease agreement.
He has been true to his word, but from our experience he would put different cows into the pasture every year, and some of those cows during that time knew that feeders contain feed and we've had some cows knock down our feeders ruining them. We reinforced the legs with T posts but that doesn't keep them from congregating under the feeder waiting for it to go off.
Some of the first years the cows left them alone, but it only takes one that knows they can push them over, so my advise would be to fence them off if you run cattle.
Cattle have some advantages as they keep the tall weeds knocked down especially where you can't mow.

Its your land put in writing the dates they can put them on and when they must be removed. Charge a monthly rate per each momma. Write in their once they are of weaning age they either have to go or be charged a monthly rate. $25 a head per month should work. Hey, its your land and your terms.

Oh write in a maintenance schedule. Spraying, fertilizers, and fencing. You should provide a operable fence and roads though.

4 T posts and some wire will keep the cattle away from the feeder....

Dan, are the cattle on the property year-round, or just in the off-season?

Lease it until September.