Illegals on deer lease

Any of yall delt with immigrants coming across your lease. We haven't had an up close encounter yet but we've been on the lease since March and got them on game cams. This morning we topped a hill coming out of camp to the deer stand and stopped cause we saw 2 campfires about a half a mile away that where put out abruptly.

Don't worry Obama has told us that our borders are secure.

Cross my buddies place constantly. Mainly at night. Occasionally break in and take food.
Sleep in stands. There is a BP checkpoint on 77 and another in Falfurrias. They go in between the two checkpoints but avoid Kingranch property taking them across my buddies lease. They move north adjacent to 281 and ease back to the highway around Premont. BP activity is non stop. Trucks, atvs, choppers, planes.

They dropped by one time and broke in to our camper. Not only did they steal everything they could carry, they did $2800 worth of damage to the camper. When we hunted S. Texas we didn't go out the door without a weapon. It's a shame you have to do that but that's the reality of it. .

I left 2 jugs of water and a couple cans of beans on the porch when we left today but we don't leave anything but food in the camp so, I'm just concerned with an encounter in the deer stand.

If the runners are having them use your property as a cut thru or trail, you should see where they stack up 3 rocks one on top another. We used to see this all the time down at a place in rock springs. Used to make me happy to walk the pasture and stack them in big circles or kick them all over. Only had one run in with 20+ Of them in a group and the authorities were there in no time. Had to leave the cabin unlocked with signs on all windows and doors in English and Spanish stating that so they didn't break in. Left nothing there that didn't expect to disappear.

Good luck

Whew! I was worried there for a minute.

when i used to get to hunt in one of
those places where border jumpers move
through, i was more worried about them
starting a fire, or trashing the camper,
or lice in the beds, or the large amount
of trash and poop they scatter than any bodily
harm they may cause.
these days, being strapped is more or
less mandatory anyway.
get a backhoe.

Have a buddy with some land in Terrell County who sees them all the time. Luckily they don't want to meet you any more than you want to meet them. It's what they're doing when you're not there that's the problem. He never leaves anything in camp and we always leave his airstream unlocked. It does make for an interesting walk in the dark though when you're having to look out for other people. We don't go out there unless we have plenty of ammo.

I had land there and it seemed like the illegal traffic stopped on our place during hunting season. The border patrol told us that there was more drug smuggling going on than illegals ever coming through, the land was too rough for most.

Ahhhh

They don't want know part of you ... Just food And water

Never have been concerned with my safety. I know the hell they go thru to get here. They have one thing on their mind and that is to reach a major city hassle free.

Pay Zetas in order to cross and then pay the mule to take them. Used to run them about 1400-1600. Now $8000.

I've had a bunch of encounters over the years, never anything bad. I have had them clean out camp houses to included stealing the groceries as we brought them in through the front door and sat them on the kitchen table. When we turned and went back out the front door to get another load, they came in the back door and cleaned the table of what we just put down!

I've also spent a lot of hours talking to those that I've crossed paths with and if you speak spanish you hear some really interesting tales. One small group of older gentlemen, I mean that, told me of burying a friend two days earlier who had died from a rattlesnake bite. I was hunting a large lease on the Nueces River SE of Cotulla late in the season by myself and ran across a fellow that was sitting on one of the ranch roads in shock. He was suffering from hypothermia as he had crossed the Nueces the evening before and it was below freezing. He was from Guatemala, probably did not know much about the cold. I took him back to my camp and got him on his feet and fed. He told me that the wildlife since he crossed into Texas scared the hell out of him. He couldn't remember when it occurred but it was north of the Rio Grande, he woke up to a very large hog pulling him through the brush. He showed me his leg so I treated and dressed it as well.

I was out on a tripod about an hour before hunting light, the tripod was well hidden within the base of some trees. It was as still as a mouse so I could hear something different coming towards me. I wasn't real sure what kind of critter it was but I was dead quiet. Ended up being a group of 20 to 25 illegals moving in a tight pack within 10 yards of my tripod. That kind of freaked me because of how carefully and quiet they moved without light, just something from another time and place in my past. I didn't care for it at all but they kept moving. I had hunted that tripod a lot and never had that happen prior but I went ahead and moved it.

Desert mule deer hunting, I found a grave of stacked rock. I was simply respectful and moved on.

I use to run into them all the time but my ranch is now up on the northern edge of South Texas. As an avid outdoorsman I do respect the skills I have seen. I've done some pretty long hikes such as south to north across the Laguna Atascosa NWR but I cannot picture walking across South Texas with only what I could carry. Most hunters don't want to walk from the truck 100 yards up to the blind especially in the dark without a light.

Speaking of these things... I good friend of mine died yesterday, 36 years ago, in the border war.

http://www.cbp.gov/about/in-memoriam/weldon-smith

We own some land in Val Verde County and got broken into last year. From what the Border Patrol agent told us they hit us and 4 or 5 cabins around us. It was during the summer when all of the kids were coming across. We now leave a box of food and water on the porch. It has only been disturbed once, we found it about 50 feet from the cabin and almost empty but we weren't sure if that was people or the wend.

I have not seen them in person, but I have lots of pictures of them crossing my ranch on trail cams like the one below. 4 months ago they drove a 1500 chevy straight through 3 ranches, high fence and all. They were had to of been going 50mph straight thru our ranch and finally crashed into a large oak tree, where they left the truck as the truck exhaust caught the grass on fire. We had the sheriff, Border patrol and fire all on scene.

Ranch Dog, I am sorry for your loss, such a shame.

by the way, all the damage they ever do is steal my corn and knock off my feeder motors. I was told by a previous illegal, that they take the corn and put it in water bottles, after an hour the corn turns in to hominy or a mash, that is a good source of protein.

you are right tho, since the age of 6 I have been walking to and from my stands alone in the dark. This is the first year I went out and bout a .40 pistol to carry, it gives me less chills during the walk. I have also decieded to put locks on my stands, not because I don't want them in there, I just don't want to be surprised.

Curious as to what you are saying to use the backhoe for?

MoBettaHuntR, I believe he is referring to....no evidence.

Oh yea, just a month or so ago I had a chevy truck drive into my place, drop off a couple dudes, and then the next morning another truck came and got them. Didnt know what was going as I saw the first truck drive in, turn around and leave. Thought it was just someone lost. The next morning another truck pulled up to the gate, two dudes ran out of the woods and jumped in and they all took off. Too far away to see faces or get lic plates, etc. Really bothered me...

I worked in the Rio Grande City BP office starting in June of '80. (Agent Roxy D. Kieffe) was my supervisor and lived across the street from me at the gov't village at Falcon Dam. Watched Roxy kick a rattlesnake (3 footer) to death one night. We couldn't shoot it cuz we were waiting on some illegals to come by that we'd seen earlier.

I was told last week it running $7,000 now to get here, it was around 2k for coyote and 1k to zeta.

I wonder why such a large price increase

Surely it's to bury all of that poop that he's referring to..:

Blindcowboy you are probably getting the same traffic as me if your still around juno. We're real close to juno on the brewer ranch

Yup, that 13" rule is a bitch

Yeah, we're probably pretty close to each other. We're in Verde West on 1024, just south of the Juno Cutoff. BP told me that they cross and head towards the towers right there at Juno Cutoff/1024, because it's an easy way for them to know where to go. We haven't caught any on game cams, but having our cabin broken in to was a bit startling.

Edited to add: I'm blindcowboy's wife. ;-)

Rock Springs/Juno traffic has seemed to increase lately

Go to the Grocery Store and buy two Jesus Candles and glue on the steps of your Cabin/Camper and glue a plastic Rosary....It seriously helps...and I order signs off the internet that says Peligro Veneno with a skull and cross bones...seems to help

Yup those towers cut right across my lease.I wonder if they'll slow down when they realize hunters are everywhere in a couple weeks.

I'd rethink that if I was you. If they want in they're going to get in. It's easier to just leave it unlocked and let them get in easy than it is to lock it and give them a challenge. When were down in Terrell county we don't out a single lock on anything, that's just asking for it to get broke.

I've heard they'll do that with your truck too! Don't leave your keys wallet or guns in it, even for a minute!

No illegals... only tweekers

Arnt they considered ferrel?

That's cause my buddy shut them down on his ranch. Having gate guards that call BP now and a new ranch hand that doesn't take crap sure has helped them. Previous hand was being paid off and assisting. When new one took over there were people knocking on his door every night. Took 3 months to get that to stop.

Thats why I always carry my 45 ACP even when it was illegal to carry while bowhunting.

Thats bad. Gate guards at the ranch now that will be the day.

The 'guards' are hired by the oil companies making sure no one is stealing oil by having all vehicles sign in/out. It is normally just a couple who live in a trailer with no firearms. It is a deterrent with an extra set of eyes.

restock the Gray Wolf to south texas;
cheaper than a fence, & word should get out pretty quick;
should help with hogg problems too.

Someone needs to do a poll---

Keep them out
Let them cross but cry about it
Leave them food, medical supplies and maps
Vote for Hillary & Michelle

He's definitely mature.. 5.5-6.5. Hard to score this time of year but I'd say somewhere in the mid to low 130s.

Im trying not to fall out of my chair.


Why are they getting corn out of the bottom like coons. Is the top of the feeder locked or something?

It's difficult not to feel some sympathy for someone eating some dried out corn out of a deer feeder!

true.. much easier to go through the top

Very interesting reading all these posts.

Cull ? or would you let him breed?

I just thought it was funny making jokes about deer judging on the forum.

I do empathize with any human searching for a better life and making sacrifices to do so.

However at the expense of private property and the law no matter how small or desperate the acts may seem I do not feel bad about the consequences and problems brought upon themselves in their search for a better life. Every race and culture still in existence in the world has struggled and overcome trials to come to where they are today. Some become better off, others little to no better than they were centuries ago.

If I decided to walk across Texas to live somewhere else and didn't have a car or money on the way and I stopped and ate corn from feeders along the way I would not feel bad for myself for a choice I made simply accept the consequences of my action and hope it really is worth the hike.

Wonder why they don't stand up and fight for their country..... Oh that's right they have corrupt "Big Government" & "Gun Control" and the freedom it provides.

Keep them out.

I feel for these folks, but I also agree that they should be standing up for what is right in their own country. They come over here and start preaching the same exact politics that got them where they're at in their own country, just mind boggling. Also, we do indeed need these folks, so instead of these folks paying thousands of dollars to come here illegally, why don't we come up with an easy, efficient system and charge them thousands of dollars to come in legally?
Finally, I am not sure The Donald is the man for the job, but he is correct in that at the end of the day in order to make all of this right you are A) going to have to put a stop to all illegal immigration at the border, and B)start deportations. Once you do these two things and only then can you set up a fair, quick and easy system of allowing these immigrants into the country. As for right now and how to stop this as it pertains to this thread, well, I am not an immoral enough of a human being to do what is necessary unless mine or my loved ones life is in danger, so there's that.

It's just a creepy feeling now out there walking to the stands. I use to think of it as a place for clearing my mind and almost like therapy, but now I'm on my toes with my hand on my pistol as I walk thru my heavy brush country to and from my blinds. really sucks to have to feel that way about your own "getaway" place.

We have a very old house on the property that is almost falling down, I walked in a couple weeks ago and on the walls was an entire map of our whole 6,000 acres! I mean they drew the place out better than I could and we have owned it for generations! CREEPY!

I hunt in rocksprings. Was down there this past weekend actually bow hunting. How bad has it gotten with the illegals? Anyone have any evidence of this. We also leave our place unlocked, and I agree and would recommend that anyone do that who hunts where there are illegals. We didn't do that once and had our camper broke into, then had to haul it all the way home to get the window fixed. It's not worth it. Just leave it unlocked.

I've never hunted down there but that would definitely give me the creeps. Does remind me of a pretty good story tho...

Not long after I got out of high school, around '89 my mom followed a job to southern California. My brother and I went out there one summer to visit with her and went out to find a watering hole. At least at that time it was a lot harder to find than you might think. Finally found a bar - yes we kind of stood out and didn't care. Started talking to some locals and they started asking us all about TX. They asked us if we had the same immigrant problem like they have.

So... I decided to jack with them and my brother played right along. I told them that in TX if you hunt along the border you get special tags with your license. If you see them on your property you were to shoot them, put the tag on their toe, and hang them up along the river. Every day or two immigration comes along and picks them up.

They believed us. Hell they thought everyone here rides horses to work. No telling how many people they told that "fact about TX".

Looks like he may be taking a poop and trying to figure out if that camera is worth taking....

Kin folk used to manage a place between Dilly and Cotulla 10,000 acres. The hunting cabin got broke into many, many times. Somebody told him to put Halloween stuff in the windows and on the cabin, witches, skeletons etc. They say most of em are real religious and believe in demons and the place must not be entered. All they would take is the water jugs and the big can of beans they would leave out.

ya our ranch house in Pearsall some how mysteriously burned to the ground 2 summers ago. so many generations and memories burnt with the house. Sucks. I blame it on illegals leaving the gas stove on while cooking.

It always amazes me what people get use to, then one day "poof" it becomes acceptable behavior.

we hunt near the border and have for 8 years - we had some traffic but as soon as the fence went up it all stopped - no issues in camp and have not seen them on the ranch - maybe there is something to Trump's idea

Years ago it seemed they would run and hide if you spotted them. Now days they dare you to make a move. They used to move only at night and now days they move around in the daylight. Was on a ranch in the Divot area 18 yrs ago and was riding around with the owner. Kept seeing bicycle tracks on the roads in certain locations. I finally asked about them. LO said the illegals were riding mountain bikes from down by the river up to the Sabinal area to be picked up. The coyote would take the bikes back down for the next group. I have seen groups as large as 18 at a time on a ranch I lived on but most of the time it was 1-3 at a time in Sept/Oct then around Feb-April. I usually saw 4-6 sets of tracks per year and maybe 1 group. Always was aware of my surroundings since I lived on the ranch by myself and closest neighbor was 3 miles away that was seasonal at best, next closest was 7 miles that lived year round on the ranch. I lived 3.5 miles off the highway thru 2 different ranches with 3 locked gates. If someone knocked on my door where I lived they were in serious trouble or looking for trouble.

There something to it but I doubt they will finish it.I think they need more people, military down there. Its incredible that they can shoot at agents, shoot at bp helicopters and such and we don't take more action.

Just do heavy fines and even jail time for people who employ illegals in the USA. Lots of ideas just treat the symptoms, not the cause.

I've hired (legal's) according to the IRS. The IRS was wrong. I was paying $20/hour

So you believe I should get a huge fine and go to jail. Where I can sit and watch illegals enjoy the freedom of "America".

It's not that hard. Wait in the line just like we do at the DMV, and get the proper paperwork. Then to America.

Why we make simple solutions so hard is so the government can GROW and GROW and GROW

Most who have hunted the stx brush country have stories of "encounters".

We hunt 23 miles ENE of I35 S and the Callaghan Interchange. I've been hunting the area from Cotulla to the RG River in Laredo since 1994. Encountered a few 'migrants' in that time.

I've never seen or talked to a drug mule, though. Just lots and lots of Mexicans and S Americans trying to get to a better place. As an American citizen, it pizzes me off to no end. As a human being, I simply can't turn my back on someone embroiled in such a life or death journey.

Part of the problem. I know.

I've never had a bad experience in all these years other than a few missing game cams and those were the ranch hands I'm sure ...

That's not illegals ...


That's the Wildgame Innovations Quality Control Team

A traveling family needs tortilla makings

I wish our Cuddeback worked that well.

I'll share just a few.

Cousin of ranch owner drove to his favorite blind one morning. He pulled up to the staircase leading up to the blind. Before his wife could exit the vehicle, a young man dressed in black appeared on the landing just outside the blind, at the top of the stairs. Hands in the air. Jose' and the man exchanged a few howdy doodys in Mexican. Jose' knew to haul azz when a second man emerged from the stand with some type of small black gun with a large mag slung over his shoulder. Trailcam photos revealed a third man. Dressed in a suit and shirt, no tie. Long gone when BP arrived. 1997

Ranch owner's wife encountered a man walking on the county 'road'. After the man climbed in the bed of her truck, she noticed he was talking on a cell phone. She phoned her husband who alerted local branches of LE. Long story short, she picked up one of the most wanted BLO leaders. He's still in U.S. custody. 2001

Encounters since then have been fairly limited and almost always friendly. Although we found some children's socks and Mexican girly mags in one stand last season.

Well done.

Heard a story from the buddy of mine who owned the land down there, back when hey first got a place down there and he was still naive. He was driving home one morning down their dirt road when he saw three mexican guys walking down the road that proceeded to flag him down. Long story short they said they just needed a place to stay and stupid him was almost too scared to say no so he told them to hop in the bed and that they could stay in one of the cabins they've got.. On the way to the ranch he made a quick call to one of his BP buddies with a description of the men. They pretty much told him that if you make it back to the ranch where y'all are all all one you won't make it long, and within about 15 minutes they surrounded his stupid butt with cars, trucks and helicopter. Turns out it was one of the biggest "coyotes" in the area that had been on the run for a year or so. Who knows if it's true or not, but he made it believable.

I think they are trying to set the timer to day light savings time and making sure the solar panel is working.

Bachelor groups liket this will break up before the rut starts

Can't fault a person for trying to improve their life. Can fault them for not having the gumption to stand up for themselves in their own country. Strength in numbers.

Trump is right. Close the borders. Deport them. Reform the process that allows new citizens. You have to start somewhere. None of the choices will be easy. I agree that it will be much more profitable for the U.S. If we just charge people more money to become citizens and decrease the time frame in which it takes to do so. However, us lowly American citizens have all the answers when Washington has its own head so far up its own [censored] they can't make heads or tails of any situation due to the entire bureaucratic process. Stalemates always occur.

The million dollar question, What should we do?

Vote Trump?

This. Deporting them would open up jobs for other people. Initially those jobs won't pay that well but there is an equilibrium that will be reached. Dial back welfare and those people will get off their cans and take those jobs. Windfall will be threefold-more tax dollars from workers not paid under the table, less dollars going to welfare, and less drain on the public services (education and health care, mainly).

Why the #!@*($&)(#$&*!)#$*&@ is this so hard for politicians to understand?

Because there is politics involved. The vast majority of our politicians have never been down to our border or on ranches to see first hand the problems dealt with daily down along the river.

It's all about votes. Politicians understand. It comes down to what is in their best interest. Period!!

I dont know about yall.. I was enjoying the 'encounter' stories..

We were Javelina hunting a big HF ranch in Laredo in March.. a buddy and I went one way, our other two buddies went the other. We were sitting on a fence line and we saw two guys walking down the road.. it was at least half a mile down the fence line road, but we could distinctly make out two ppl. We were thinking it was our buddies but they never came to that side of the ranch. Either they spotted us and hauled off or just turned and crossed the fence but they disappeared pretty quick. That's the only encounter I've had but the ranch owner told us that happens just about daily.. he has ladders going over all fences and one of his daily tasks was to drive around and pick up the trash they left behind.

Keep the stories coming

Yep, nailed it. More immigrants = more democratic votes.

More US citizens dependent on the government teet = more democratic votes.

Mitt Romney told it like it is, but could have worded it better.

This thread made me think of this southpark as well.

I hope I don't jinx myself by saying this but we are fenced and most around us aren't. Other than the one time we were broken in to which I mentioned earlier we've been lucky.

No. You took reasonable means to make sure they were not illegal. There is a way to show you took appropriate steps:

http://www.uscis.gov/e-verify


Deporting them? yes but come on. They will be right back if you don't eliminate the reason they come here.


U.S. law requires companies to employ only individuals who may legally work in the United States – either U.S. citizens, or foreign citizens who have the necessary authorization. This diverse workforce contributes greatly to the vibrancy and strength of our economy, but that same strength also attracts unauthorized employment. E-Verify is an Internet-based system that allows businesses to determine the eligibility of their employees to work in the United States. E-Verify is fast, free and easy to use – and it’s the best way employers can ensure a legal workforce.


Like I said, heavy fines and jail time.

A few years ago hunting in south Texas we had a gate that was kept locked leading into another pasture. You had to stop, get out and unlock the gate, open, get in and drive thru, then get out and lock the gate.
One day another hunter was approached by a single illegal, or so he thought, while he was opening the gate, he glanced over into the brush and noticed several others standing back just inside the brush.
He quickly jumped into his vehicle and left the gate wide open as he hurriedly drove through.
Had he not done that he figured they could have surrounded him and taken his truck or worse.
Moral of the story is keep alert while opening and closing gates!...Perfect place to get ambushed.

I was involved on the aviation side of things conducting training for BP & DEA, that is where I met Weldon.


I know what you mean and I have witnessed this personally while hunting. I had left a feeder/stand setup in the evening and came back in the morning. While coming into the stand I thought I picked up a scent of wood smoke. As it was growing light, the feeder and the area around it just didn't look right. As light came on, I could see that the barrel feeder was down and on its side with the lid off. This setup was in area along a creek with an out cropping of rocks and I could see that a fire had be build in the rocks. I could also see where tortillas had been cooked on the rocks, their outlines, and there was not a kernel of corn to be found. There was well over 100# of corn in the feeder. During the night, a group had to have ground the corn for the tortillas and probably carried with them the remaining. The site was actually pretty amazing and there was no way just a few did the work. There is no way that I could have seen this site from the camp as it was down along a creek and probably three miles or better out from the camp.

I've spent a huge amount of time in the air over South Texas and have seen all kinds of situations below me. For the nation, our borders need to be closed but on a personal level I find the movement north understandable and have always been very compassionate dealing with the individual encounter.

I went on to a career as an airline pilot with a larger carrier. One night, six pilot crews were sitting eating dinner in the hotel sports bar and this stuff was being talked about on the TVs. These individuals, the 11 others, were spouting off about the criminal element involved in the traffic and being sure to voice their opinions on what each would do. So, I asked them if they had actually ever talked to an illegal. Of course, they hadn't, so I told them what the actual experience is like and how deflated an individual becomes when they have traveled so far, spent their life savings, but have hit the end. Of course drugs moving north came up and they all had big ideas about curtailing the demand. But I know it is not all about the drugs, so I asked them if they mowed their own yards. Now I know what a privileged lot I belonged to and I knew what the answer would be. Not one, save myself, mowed their own lawn. I explained to them that they were a part of the problem, just as the junkies are, because they were creating a labor demand because they refused to take care of the simple things in their lives. There was an argument that they hired a service but I assured them that those positions are held largely by falsely documented illegals. The whole point I tried to make is that this is a political issue but we each might have a hand in feeding the beast.

I have fed the beast, it was a long ways from the deer camp. One night my last leg of the day was from Las Vegas to Buffalo, NY. My paperwork showed that the flight was full and we had a policy that if all the seats were sold & occupied, we could leave early. All but 5 seats were occupied but I knew we were sold out. I walked up to the gate agent and asked if she knew where the people were, I assumed they were on a connecting flight. She pointed to a family of five hispanics sitting a distance from the gate and explained that they were scared because BP had a history of boarding the particular flight immediately before it pushed. I went ahead and walked over to them and could tell they were all scared. I knew what they were thinking before the father/husband explained it; just how far they had come and now they faced the wall. I started talking to them in Spanish as I picked up their possessions and asked them to trust and walk with me. We walked to the gate and pushed 20 minutes early. I might have added to Buffalo's problems that night but as to having addressed the human side of this, I'm good.

The Youtube is some kind of sad...

During the first year that we had our place in West Texas I was building a small cabin. No running water & no electricity at the time, only had power from a generator and bottled water. Well, it was a hot dry day as most west Texas days are and I was chugging down some water that I had left at the cabin from the previous trip. Apparently it had gone bad or I might have gotten extreme dehydration but I started to feel bad. So I drove to town to eat, get drinks and sit in the a/c of a restaurant for a bit. Drove back to the ranch and about dusk I noticed 7 people traveling in a single file straight line. They all had white sheets draped on their backs and I assume it was so that they looked like sheep while crossing the country side. I was kinda scared since I was alone so I took my little .22 rifle and started shooting it (not at them) so that hopefully they wouldn't mess with me. They started running so I suppose it worked good enough. Well, about 11pm the bad water hit me in a bad way....this was my intestines and this is what I did all over myself , without the toilet though. No running water, no electricity, nothing to drink, I had crapped myself and I was sick bad. I drove to the gate and had it unlocked and closed before the truck ever stopped rolling, I was terrified that the group of illegals were going to steal my truck.


Anyways, that's the only illegal story I have and the moral is.... don't drink old water 'cause you might get sick and crap yourself.

I like it.

we do not need them here permanently they will never be able to afford to live a decent quality of life in this country nor will their kids

they are suppose to "fill the jobs Americans will not do"

if one is honest with themselves you understand that you can not make an American kid go to school for 12 years and then point to the lettuce field and say "there is your job go to it"......truth be told though there are those that need to be sent to the lettuce field because they wasted their 12 (or 14 or 15) years in school trying to make their cRap career or be a "balla" and when that failed they were just a sagging panted moron with no value to society and they should be worked to "intelligence" or at least worked to the point where they are too tired to breed and to tired to "hit dat club" looking for a breeding partner

as for the illegals the "idea" was that making $7 or $8 dollars per hour in the USA for a worker from a country where the average wage is $7 dollars PER DAY or less and it is paid in a currency that devalues like used toilet paper was a big deal and those workers could come here, work hard for some months at a time, live in the "man camp" and RETURN HOME where their family and a load of cinder blocks to build a house is waiting for them

now for some reason we have it in our head that to get those same jobs done we need to let that worker, their 5 kids that have a 5th grade MEXICAN education at the age of 16, their wife and their elderly parent into the country and somehow all that group will be able to "live well" on the same LOW wage in a HIGH WAGE country

and all the better we leave behind Mexican villages filled with old women, older men, young kids and those that prey upon them and steal from them.....when they are not dashing into the USA to do some quick crime where before slipping back over the border with their (formerly YOUR) new truck or TV or jewelry or guns

we need a ROTATION SYSTEM.....it needs to be SHORT TERM......it needs to be where the same workers DO NOT RETURN TO THE SAME EMPLOYER......because of the same employer needs the same already "trained workers" that IS NOT a "low skill' "menial" job that "An American will not do" that is a job that an employer is trying to get done on the cheap

you sign up on the list.....the employers get their workers......you can work for a MAX of 7 months or so in one trip and THEN YOU GO BACK HOME!!!!!!

YOUR FAMILY DOES NOT COME WITH YOU.....YOU DO NOT GET TO HAVE A BABY HERE....GET RID OF THE ANCHOR BABIES AS WELL

after you GO HOME you GO TO THE BOTTOM OF THE LOST AND YOU WAIT until EVERYONE ELSE ON THE LIST HAS HAD THEIR ROTATION and then you come back and work again

TAXES ARE COLLECTED....YOU DO NOT GET ANY RETIREMENT....THERE IS A TAX THAT GOES TOWARDS US RETIREMENT AND SOCIAL SECURITY BUT YOU DO NOT GET ANY OF THAT.....IT IS A TAX TO HAVE THE RIGHT TO WORK HERE

IF YOU ARE CAUGHT COMING HERE ILLEGALLY YOU ARE NEVER ALLOWED ON THE LIST AGAIN

IF YOU DO CRIME WHILE HEAR EVEN PETTY CRIME LIKE STEALING, BRAWLING, PUBLIC DRUNKENNESS and ESPECIALLY DWI OR DRIVING WITH NO INSURANCE YOU ARE NEVER ALLOWED BACK

ANY EMPLOYER THAT IS CAUGHT HIRING SOMEONE NOT ON THE ROTATION LIST (an illegal) OR ON THE BANNED LIST PAYS OUT $100 DOLLARS PER HOUR FOR EVERY HOUR THAT ILLEGAL PERSON WORKED PLUS ALL COURT AND ENFORCEMENT COST AND TAXES ON THAT $100 PER DOLLAR WAGE INCLUDING FULL SOCIAL SECURITY AND RETIREMENT TAXES OR $100,000+ in fines PER ILLEGAL if hours worked cannot be PROVEN

>YOU< COME HERE....>YOU WORK<....>YOU GO HOME!!!!!!<

I like the way you think. If you ever run for office you have my vote.