BOBO- Part II of the redemption thread

Well since the last thread ( http://www.texashuntingforum.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/5389248/ ) was a fun thread with BOBO thought I would offer him another shot at redemption.
Which buck was wider? Which buck scored more? Which buck was heavier bodied? What do ya'll think? You can guess the score on mine if you like.
Nav's buck:






My buck from this season:








Threads from the other day on this buck.
http://www.texashuntingforum.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/5389248/1
http://www.texashuntingforum.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/5395776/1
http://www.texashuntingforum.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/5392293/

Technically I was right last thread.

Nav's is wider(if you say same I unfriend you)
Nav's weighed more

Score wise not fair you told me score on yours.

Technically you were wrong on the last thread.

I have not told you the score on the buck I killed.

Are these your final answers?

My guess on Stx 137

Busted

Yes and Nav took you again across the board.

What's the verdict???

Oh this isn't even close to being over I bet

Truer words I have never been spoken!!

I'll guess 133 on Navs and 140 on yours.

Nice Buck Nav. I missed you posting it up.

How about another double or nothing with the 2 cases of beer you owe me that you are wrong on at least one of your guesses? You did not guess which scores more. I will allow you to waffle on this one ....

Double or nothing BOBO...

Doubling down

You sticking with your answers that Nav's buck is bigger on all calls?

That buck has donkey ears

Yes

Do I get the phone a friend option?

Yes the gal in the gal in the post that answered "An Elephant"

All in go!!!

Lol

Okay but I tried to give you an out
Nav did not weigh his buck but guessed him to be 180 live weight (so I trust him)
I weighed my buck at 139 lbs field dressed ( I use 16% off of live weight to get dressed weight) so he was around 166 lbs live weight. So you win that one..I think

Score- Nav's buck was 144 5/8 by his score
Mine grossed 139 4/8 by my score. You did not guess at first but I guess I will give it to you

Spread- Nav's buck was 13 6/8"
Mine was 14 2/8". You said Nav's buck was wider. I even PM'd you the dressed weight as a hint that the buck was even bigger bodied than I thought he was. I had thought he was just over 13" looking at the pics since I had no idea what he weighed. I would have bet Nav's buck was wider also

So double up on the extra cases when you head this way

I'll buy 4 cases via a 1/2 an inch any day

I almost went in that direction because of his weight, but ears are ears they don't change with body fat.

Nav's tines angle so far inward it's easy to miss judge it. I rolled the dice I lost.

Half inch

I knew you would revert back to the body/ear size of these bucks and the spread would get you. But you know as well as I do that you can get ranges of ear width in any given herd. I was told to expect 115-120 lb dressed weights on mature bucks here. So that is what I was expecting. I knew I was off on that weight when I was trying to drag him by myself up and over the side of the Ranger. I was really shocked at the weight since I had seen him next to a couple of other bucks and he did not look bigger than them at all. One of those bucks I would like to have seen raised from a fawn to maturity on feed to see if it would have helped him out. He put on about 16" from last year to this year using the one shed I was lucky to find to guess his score from.
It was all in fun.

Fact that both spreads are so close with a east tx deer that clearly looks smaller weight and score wise shows I was on the right track paying attention to location and restocking efforts... But I still lost by a few 1/8's I'll pay the piper!! With that said if you keep this up I'm going to have to call in a few favors from a couple distributors I know

Pictures and guessing don't give you much success. I posted regular camera pics so it was better than if I had posted TC pics. But still a difficult call.
I did both of the threads to show just how difficult guessing spreads in AR counties can be. I had good pics of the buck I killed plus a shed from last year. That and the body weights I was told made it a difficult call but after seeing him at less than 30 yards I felt better. With Nav's buck I would have needed to sit and study him a while before trying to shoot him. If I had to guess from Nav's pics I would have said he is not wide enough.

Hey STX...which one of us was closer when he was still alive

Should Bobo just bring your winnings to me

Ida had you

Depends on which of my guesses on score range you use. IIRC you waffled down and I have always kept my ranges the same

Probably so...I would have missed yours pretty bad off the TC pic.

You better pull that PM back out and look again. I nailed it before I ate my waffles and even after my breakfast was still closer

IIRC you said 137 then waffled down when I said 134 and told you beam length from the previous year. My ranges have always been 132 -138 with 78-82 on frame and 54-56 on tines. But I am always low on the deer I score where I hunt so I took the lower end. Much better outcome. He had 57.3 on tines and 82.1 on frame.

I don't remember dropping that low and don't remember you getting that high. I call

Don't think I have the PM, but here is the text to my pops

R-E-A-D slowly "I said my ranges have always been 132-138" did not say I posted those. I posted 134 which is what I felt comfortable he would score on the PM. You are correct about the upper 130's to low 140's guess, I had forgotten you said that high. I just remember you waffled down some.

100% agree. After he killed him it made sense when you look at how's his tines create the illusion since they angle way in. And yours do straight up. Toss in the glare from IR and you get a lot of questioning.

I think yall need to measure ears,

Dad??? How did a 6'2 guy father a 5'2 guy?

Dang Auto correct...I typed in Great, great, great, great grandfather