Anybody see BSA Green laser flashlight

I was at my loacl gunshop today and the owner told me to come look at this. It was some kind of device made by BSA that mounted on top of the scope using mounts. IT was a green laser that the beam could be made narrow to wide. It was a laser flashlight. On the scope mount that attched it one could adjust the windage and vertical adjustments of it to put the laser light where it would shine on where your crosshairs we're at. A man come in telling him how good they we're and so on. He thought the man was full of it. He ordered one and liked it so much he ordered twenty of them. He said when he went hog hunting he took one, because he don't trust anybodys word on products he must see it with his own eyes. He said he could see the color of the hog and he could tell it was a sow he was shooting at almost 200 yards. He said he was very impressed. He sells night vision gen 3+ also. He put one on top of his .223 supressed remington. He said whatever he would shine on, it would light them up good. You can't see the beam in the air, just what it hits. The you adjust it depending onthe distance. I looked at BSA website and found nothing. They sell for 300 bucks. He said he thinks they work just as good as gen 2 NV. IT's projecting a laser beam of light, but the details are better then gen 2 NV. Just curious if anyone else has seen this.

I have not but would be very interested.

Little surprised because IMO BSA just doesn't make quality products.

Keep us updated, though.

Yeah thas why he wanted to get one and check them out first, being a BSA!! He said he would be pi??ed when people would be bringing them back, because they broke.

This is all I could find!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE-9g0-IdcA

found some for sale finally!! I just wonder about the durability of it!! He also said his NV would barely pick it up!!
http://www.thegunsource.com/item/168640__Sights__Lasers_Laser_Genetics_LG-ND3_Des.aspx

Another
http://www.sportoptics.com/laser-genetics-nd3-laser-designator.aspx

Finally found the website for them!!
http://www.lasergenetics.com/nd3-laser-designator.html

That looks awesome !!

Hey, that doesn't look too bad.
Come on huntandfish, just buy one and do a review for us, okay?
We're looking forward to it !!

Specs are here....

BSA Optics®

A night sight for a no light night, this BSA Optics® Laser Genetics® ND3 Green Laser Designator is night vision at its best. With a multi coated lens, this BSA Optics® Laser Genetics® ND3 Green Laser Designator is nitrogen charged so it won't fog up in any weather. Easy to adjust with just one hand, this BSA Optics® Laser Genetics® ND3 Green Laser Designator allows you to keep your eye on the target and your hand on the trigger for the optimum in night vision hunting.

BSA Optics® Laser Genetics® ND3 Green Laser Designator
Manufacturer Number: LG-ND3
Laser Light Frequency: 532nm
Optical Zoom: 28mmx6x
Power: (1) CR112V Battery (Included)
Output Power: 18mW
Target Range: 250 Yards
Range: 3.0 Miles
Tube Size: 1 Inch
Beam Collimator: Rotary Optical
Features:
O Ring Sealed
Multi Coated Optical Lens
Windage Adjustable
Elevation Adjustable
Water Resistant
Fog Resistant
Dimensions: 6.25 Inch x 1.25 Inch x 1 Inch
Weight: 5.34 Ounces
Material: High Tech Aluminum
Finish: Matte Black

You need to take it apart and drop in an IR laser diode and then look at it through gen 3. You CAN see the laser beam all the way to the target then... but only when you look through the gen 3.... can't see anything otherwise. It looks like something out of Star Wars or something and they just shoot off into nowhere up in the sky. SUPER COOL!!! Just be sure not to shine it at anyone or any pet that you care about

I will be picking up a PVS-14 soon and will take some pics once it's all done.

I have the ND3 and the ND5, testing them for the VARMINT HUNTER MAGAZINE. I have used them in the field but the moon has been too bright to give a fair and honest evaluation. This product is not made by BSA, rather Laser Genetics. I will post results as they become available.
Adios,
Gary

Good deal Gary and Greg, keep us informed. Yeah, I wanted to grab one, but I had just got through paying for a .243 Kimber Montana for my wife/me LOL. Now she wants a dam pink sling for it. I guess I'm going have to buy a spare for when I take it out, I'm not going to be packing a pink slinged rifle anywhere!!

Gonna have to add one of these to my Christmas list!

Glad to hear it's not made by BSA.

Please don't forget to give us report, Gary!!

Regards,
Scott

I own one of these lights and right on the box it says laser genetics made by BSA Optics. There is a link to laser genetics on the BSA website. These lights are pretty cool, and the animals don't seem to mind them. Checked out the SWFA website and they have some good reviews about hog hunting.

I definately am looking forward to any field reports.

I am a gun dealer in Austin, Texas. I recently became interested in this product and I found this forum in my search for this product. Here is the little bit I have learned about this product.

On one of my wholesaler's sites, this product is sold under BSA Optics. They had zero stock on the item so I looked with other wholesalers. I couldn't find it anywhere else, so I called one of my largest suppliers and inquired. The salesman pointed me to "Gamo Airguns" where I found the exact product being marketed by them as "Gamo Genisys Laser Designator". It is the exact same product, costs exactly the same, and comes with the exact same accessories - it's just being marketed by a different distributor. I purchased one, but it has not yet arrived.

When it arrives I will be attaching it to one of my Bushmaster AR-15's. Initially I will be putting it on my Varminter (24" extra heavy stainless barrel, Leupold Mk-AR 6-18X40mm, 2 stage competition trigger, 3.5lb lead in rifle butt, Harris bipod). I will be taking that rifle, with the laser designator on a varmint (coyote/bobcat) hunt in about 3 weeks. If I like it, I plan on adding one to one of my other AR-15's (Bushmaster TEXAS edition A3M4). Hopefully Eagle Peak will let me do a little prone, nighttime shooting with the lighting shut off!

I will keep you all updated on its performance and anything I learn about who actually designed and/or manufactures the unit.

Welcome to the THF

Welcome friend, and let us know how it works...

Thanks for the welcome guys.

Sooo, my favorite UPS guy brought me a little gift today - you guessed it: my very own ND3 Laser Designator! On the package it specifies "Laser Genetics by BSA Optics". I still don't know if that means they manufacture it or not, but it is certainly what it leads me to believe. I'll still do more inquiring on the details later.

The important part...
I haven't yet mounted my ND3 to a rifle, but I did give it quite a run in my neighborhood. From my front yard I am able to get 300 to 400 yard line of sight visuals of various rooftops and house walls and such. I can say that other than being a LOT of fun to play with, the ND3 DID in fact seem to offer plenty of light with which to illuminate a target well enough to be able not only to see the target, but also to see the cross-hairs in my optics. With my ND3 and a 6-18X40mm scope, I could very clearly see the texture in bricks on houses at least 250 yards away.

It was all very shaky because I was trying to juggle the laser and the optics and make power and beam-spread adjustments to the units while trying to keep them both lined up on "targets" hundreds of yards away, but I was more than impressed. This was as much fun to play with as regular laser pointers when they were first coming onto the market (Yeah, I know you remember the first time you took your new laser pointer to the movie theater and pissed everybody off).

I will keep you all updated on my progress with the ND3. I'm supposed to go on a nighttime hog hunt this weekend and another nighttime coyote/bobcat hunt in another couple of weeks. After playing with this thing a little, I am now anticipating that it will in fact do what it promises.

So far the only thing about the ND3 with which I am unhappy is the limited 1 year warranty.

Exstensively reviewed on another site. They do not seem to function well at all in freezing temps. Laser Genetics is aware of the problem.

there was another thread about this earlier...like SATX said, cold temps appear to be no bueno
http://www.texashuntingforum.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1175260/1

Well, there ya go. Plenty of info on it.

Fortunately I live in Austin where we don't get more than a handful of cold nights per year. It's very disappointing knowing that it will fail in the cold, though.

Called BSA today to inquire about the lower temp issues I have heard about people having with the Laser Genetics ND3 and ND5'S. Lady I talked to in customer service said that, yes, they knew there were lower operating temperature issues with there product and that they were working on resolving the problems. Said they believed it was a battery issue. I told her that the lithium batteries work OK in everything else in colder temps. She had no answer for that. I asked when they expected to have the issue resolved as I didn't want to spend $250-$300 dollars on a light I could not use in cold temps. She said they hoped to have the problem solved in 3-4 months. I said, yes, by then the temps will be warmed up and they will probably work ok until it gets cold again. She again had no answer to my question. Sounds to me like they are having serious issues and don't have a clue how to resolve them and are going to keep trying to sell there inferior products to unsuspecting people.

Myself and two friends purchased the ND3 and all of them stopped working in low to mid 30 degree weather.We also called BSA and where told they new about the issue of it not working below40 degrees.there great wisdom was too attach hand warmers to it.Looks like i am going to be out 300 dollars. They suggested taking it back to where i purchased the lazer, But that company wants nothing to do with it.

I am ordering two tomorrow. p.s. battery life is 8hr.

OK, first field use report...

Pre-hunt:
Read extensively about some of the problems with the unit. Read also some ways people were coping with the problems. By far the biggest problem seems to be the unit fails when subjected to mildly cold conditions (maybe below 50 degrees?). One thing that I read about was wrapping the light with hand warmers....

Hunting - Night one:
between 30 and 40 degrees...
Before departing to the field I wrapped my ND3 with 4 hand warmers and taped and bundled it up as best I could while still allowing access to the focus ring. We hiked 3/4 mile to the "bunker" (as we call it). Upon reaching the bunker and assessing that there were no hogs yet present at our bait we decided to try out the laser. I pointed the rifle toward our bait which was about 70 yards out and I activated the switch.

nothing.

wtf???

Pointed the rifle at a nearby (3 yards) cedar bush and there was a faint green glow. Well f**k!

The $29.99 red spotlight from Academy took over as our illumination device (although we really didnt need one anyway with the full moon and the 50mm Leupold scope I have on my rifle).

Hunting - night two:
between 35 and 25 degrees....
Before departing to the field I removed the ND3 from it's mount on my rifle, wrapped it again in fresh hand warmers, taped and bundled it up and this time tucked it into the inner pocket of my jumpsuit. where it could sit and get nice and toasty until needed.
This worked a LOT better than having it rifle mounted. On the rifle the heaters couldn't keep up with the cold, but tucked in my pocket was enough for the heat to build. I'm beginning to suspect the unit experiences the same kind of failure if it gets too warm also as my beam became inconsistent when it was hot. After being out for 10 or 15 minutes it had cooled down enough to work properly.

My synopsis:
Don't waste your money unless you want a cool gadget to play with as a toy and not a hunting accessory. This light MIGHT work in "ideal" conditions, but all in all it requires far too much user tampering and attention to be worth anything on a real hunt. I have better things to do while I'm hunting than to be constantly checking to see if my illumination mechanism is too cold or too hot.
I'm going to experiment a little with making a more reliable "container" for it that might keep it happy enough to be useful on a hunt while still being rifle mounted. I've got a few ideas I'm going to toy with like using a combination of parts from battery powered heated socks and neoprene. We'll see if I come up with anything. It'll probably be a project I don't work on aggressively until a few months from now.

All in all I think this company either did NO field testing of this product, or they knew about the problem and just very falsely advertised it. For that simple reason alone, I would encourage anyone reading this to not buy one.

I got to handle a ND5 at night last Weds. Man, when they are working they're pretty slick. Problem is, the guy who owns it says nearly every animal he's spotlighted with it reacted and some bolted. He owns his own guide service and specializes in night-time hog hunts and I tend to trust him since he really puts his gear through the paces. Too bad too, I wanted one.

I bought one, with fantasies of hog hunting in the dark. I have not tried it in the cold, but it has great beam quality. The problem I have had is the mount. My first one broke in two days and the second one is nearly broken. Further, They are not adjustable enough to fix the parallax issues. Thus it is dead on at 50 yards 6 inches low at 100 and useless much further. I can still diffuse the beam to illuminate my field of view, but the pointer is low. I suspect this problem is not just limited to the two I have used.