What's the thrill in hunting canned freak bucks?

I think that deer breeders are going to be the down fall of hunting. They have already ruined B&C. Telling someone that you hunted hard all season and finally got that monster eight and it scored 150, then they look at you and say that they got two 26 pointers on a weekend hunt that score over 320 each. To each his own I guess, but I will never understand people who go on these canned hunts and then brag about it. Personally, I would rather kill an eight that scores 135 than any of these bred to be freak bucks. But that's just me.

I'm with you. I'll never understand it. Heck, I'm happy with a few does. If I get a decent buck all the better but I'm out there to get the freezer full.

Then shoot little bucks and be happy!

Exactly. Not sure why folks get panty wadded over what floats someone else's boat. I like brunettes. Why on earth does anyone like blonds????

I'm partial to little short redheads. Yep you guessed it, Mrs. B is standing right behind me. Any other answer and my right ear would be stinging and ringing right now.

The thrill is for some guy from California (because we all know californian's are moving to texas at an alarming rate and ruining our state) who wants to pretend like he's a true texan hunter. Look. I was raised old-school. I don't get on my phone while i hunt. I don't shoot bobcats, why would I? They are pretty and fun to watch. I don't shoot rattle snakes, my dad taught me to just leave them alone. I don't shoot mountain lions, never seen one, but i bet they are fun to watch. I don't shoot pen raised animals. I WILL shoot coyotes. I am ethical. I use ethical firearms (none of that millennial call of duty wussy .223 AR with a foregrip and holographic sight bullcrap), if you're not man enough to handle a little recoil you shouldn't be hunting. I DONT SHOOT WHAT I DONT EAT. Thats how my dad raised me. It's all about the effort and hard work, then getting to feast on wild game all year long enjoying my hard earned reward while i get ripped working out using nature's protein, so i can hunt harder next year and walk an extra mile up that mountain. It's a lifestyle.

I really enjoy knowing if the zombie apocalypse comes, I'm going to be sitting in high cotton surviving off the land using the outdoors skills only true, fair chase hunting has taught me. And just for the record I hunt public land and don't use feeders. I truly get off knowing that I can kill elk and deer on public land, being in good enough shape to go where i want, while fat rich people have to pay to do that! Lol. Flame suit on.

Because some feel it necessary to impose their will upon others. As long as the methods are legal it is no one's business how another person hunts.

I don't get wadded up over it, I just make fun of those people because I think it's funny. I just....its so pathetic to me how sissified hunting has gotten lately. MAN UP, do it the old school way like our ancestors. As a human being I respect every person on this planet. But as a fellow hunter, thats a different story. People in Colorado and Montana laugh at us over here.

Why would possibly care what they think?

Again Really

to me there is a difference between hunting and shooting

I feel a thread lock coming on.

All I can say is for me, I could not be proud of anything I killed in a HF. That being said, I can understand why some folks hunt HF. I think time constraints for hunting time, setting up feeders and stands, finding a lease and such would be some of the issues.

I respect them. I like hunting like they do. A lot of those guys are tough old mountain men who do it old school, I think its cool. My uncle is 68 and can still pack and elk up a mountain, on his back. Thats a man i respect, therefore, I care what he thinks. Plus im a born and raised Texan, im proud of our state.

You don't "do it like our ancestors". Quit lying.

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You don't "do it like our ancestors". Quit lying. [/quote]

Pretty sure my ancestors used rifles and bows just like me. Ok, i use a compound so i'll give you that. And, my ancestors in the 1800's used muskets, so, i'll give you that too. But my ancestors in the 1900's probably used 30-06's, which is what i use so thats a moot point. Other than that, I hunt in treestands. And when im in colorado I spot and stalk....soo....yup thats how my ancestors did it.

Never hunted high fence, I drove through a HF place once saw some monsters, really enjoyed seeing those big deer. Did I want to shoot one? No. Do I care if someone else does? No.

Deftsound: When I started hunting in the 50s, the old timers made fun of anyone who didn't use iron sights. In the early 1900s, smokeless powder gave hunters unfair advantage. Why is it that the way your dad taught you was the only right way? His way was thought to be "pussyfied" by his predecessors.

While I respect your decisions to hunt according to certain standards, I respectfully suggest that you look at fellow hunters as your brothers who love the outdoors and the sport. There aren't many of us left, and we need to stick together.

If you want to feel superior, fine. But be classy enough to keep it to yourself.

I've got more appreciation for any animal killed on a low fence, by a hunter on the ground, or on foot. That's how I do it. For the high fence, freak buck, high score, I just look the other way, and don't say anything.

"If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all"

(Though I too am guilty of not following that guideline)

I assume the OP takes no enjoyment in fishing in a pond?

I personally have no interest in shooting a pen raised buck, but what the hell do I care if someone that doesn't have much time to hunt wants to go out, pay some cash, and pretty much guarantee they'll get the experience they're looking for? Some people like the total front to back experience of managing a deer herd, planting food plots, scouting, etc, and some just wanna have a good time and put some antlers on the wall.

You can make fun of them all you want, but they can turn it around and do the same to you because their perspective differs and they may think you're completely wasting your time screwing around in the outdoors all season.

To each his own.

As already mentioned, who cares what somebody else does?

The only reason anybody would care is if they are somehow affected by it, or feel jealous of what somebody else has, or inferior by what others have or do.

If the landowners of those HF deer farms where banned from raising those deer, they would kill off every deer and go back to raising cattle. This has happened in different states all over the country, and in other countries.

For those that can and do pay for what they want, good for them!!! They are putting more money into hunting and the economy then any other group of hunters. They also are the ones who go on guided hunts, creating jobs for guides and everyone connected to the outfit. The only negative to it is those who feel that they are somehow hurt by something that will never affect them.

You don't "do it like our ancestors". Quit lying. [/quote]

Pretty sure my ancestors used rifles and bows just like me. Ok, i use a compound so i'll give you that. And, my ancestors in the 1800's used muskets, so, i'll give you that too. But my ancestors in the 1900's probably used 30-06's, which is what i use so thats a moot point. Other than that, I hunt in treestands. And when im in colorado I spot and stalk....soo....yup thats how my ancestors did it. [/quote]

No. Everyone's ancestors did it with rocks and sharp sticks that they pounded out by hand. If you were really interested in "manning up" you'd do it like they did.

But no, you want to pick and choose your "unfair advantage" and denigrate others for using their preferred "unfair advantage".

All while hiding behind the lie that you are "man enough to do it like your ancestors".

I'm just here to make sure you know you're lying to yourself. No one else believes the BS like you do.

As long as it's legal I have no issues with hunting these freaks behind HF. It is of zero interest to me though, and when I see the hero shots of such I wonder what the sense of accomplishment is, and pay no attention to it anyway.

Id love to be able to run deer with dogs like my ancestors did.... also a push hunt would be fun imo just to be a part of one... its really gota suck how some of you live in this little box in your mind just to hold an image that will get others acceptance

Maybe they should put a new forum call it HF/LF debate for mature audiences only! Then we can get back to hunting, high fives and grown folk biness!

I like the pond bass analogy earlier and is very similar to the HF/LF standoff in my eyes.

Would you be as proud of a 10 lb pass in a small acre pond as a bass in a large lake? I wouldn't and surely wouldn't mount it.

Would either be fun to catch? You betcha

To each his own on the topic of HF and LF, but I would suggest using caution when throwing stones...

Feeder Pens
http://texashuntingforum.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/6359994/Feeder_pens#Post6359994
"Wondering what yalls opinions are on feeder pens. I really hate to have to have one, but with cows around it seems the only sure way to keep them out. I firmly believe in leaving as LITTLE human sign around as possible, and i feel like the feeder pen will keep big bucks away. Hell, If i were a deer and i saw all that fencing id sure as hell stay away. But, im not a deer."

From a long term perspective as we get hammered more and more on hunting rights the canned hunting is going to get very hard to defend.

Where the end game is for some I am not sure. Maybe 500" whitetail in 10 acre virtual reality pens that you can shoot from your office?

As long as its legal I try not to bash etc but I do believe it will end up hurting us all in the long run.

if you complain about HF then hunt on private land with feeders and blinds, food plots

you are 'that guy'


i don't care to hunt HF, but I have no problem with people doing it

None of My Business

Take a helicopter to the summit - frame the picture.
Take as many handicap stokes has you can get in order to win the golf tournament - display the trophy.
Make hole-in-one from the women’s tee box – there is no one that you know that you haven’t already told about getting a hole-in-one.
Catch your biggest bass in farmer Fred’s stock tank - often claim it as your biggest; display the replica mount.
Cheat on the test to make an A’s throughout college – frame the honors award.
Not strong enough to make team – street pharmaceuticals changed that in 6 months.
Your prize steer isn’t winning any prizes – purchase someone else’s prior to the big show and win 1st place.
And you guessed it.....Kill a giant buck in a pen – mount hangs over fireplace.

Grampa didn’t do it this way, but who cares. We accomplished more than he ever dreamed possible! Just hit the easy button and check the box. That is all it is, just another notch under the belt.

Oops.

I admit I clicked, and thought oh crap now gonna debate feed pens.

Marke: Wife wanted and elk mount over the fireplace. I bought one and put it there. That ok with you?

There is a Rembrandt hanging in the hallway. Do I need to post a sign under it saying I didn't paint it?

Haha that's awesome.

What Mr. T points out in his first post goes on in every facet of life, not just hunting. Those individuals who promote themselves through hard work and determination are almost always resentful when somebody shows up with something different/better that you don't feel they 'earned', particularly when the new person stroked daddy's check to get it and then looks down their nose at you.

Case in point, you took that old truck in high school, worked on it night/day, maybe painted it or built the motor for it, and then the class rich kid shows up in the 2017 Super Duty with the lift kit (dealer installed) and the other kids all fawn over it. He sneeringly says something to you about your 30 year old heap, and you toss back 'well yeah, but I did it all myself with my OWN money', etc.

He's wrong for belittling you, and you're wrong for what is basically envy.

It's gone on since the beginning of time-houses, cars, jobs, girls, any item you could own or possess. It's human nature, unfortunately.

Well deftsound

I wonder...did your first ancestor that picked up a 30-06 to kill a deer get ridiculed the way you ridicule others? What about your first ancestor the went from bow to a black powder musket? Did he get ridiculed? C'mon man. Some people have one way that they do it, others have theirs, you have your's. No need to ridicule anybody that is doing it legally. I bow hunt, spot and stalk, rifle hunt with scope, rifle hunt with open sights, out of a treestand, out of a heated blind with a small fridge, just leaning against a tree, out of a jeep, out of a boat, and OMG, even with a sissy .223 on occasion.

Oh snap! By the way, how do those coyotes you shoot taste? Talk about someone trying to impress others.

I'm about to bust a gut laughing.
A man bids $500,000 for governor tag good all year. The same bidder hires and pays 4 guides to cover the ram. Then when he has time he flies up in his helicopter and takes a B&C ram in a couple of hours

He's a hero the money raised by selling the permit will help put sheep on the mountain. Who cares how it was collected.
The ram makes the cover of all hunting magazines.

And HF is the downfall of mankind.
These post always read like the corrupt Government trying to regulate morality.

I hunt for me. My man cave is for me. I sleep well, have a successful business in my opinion maybe a failure to the 500,000 sheep bidder, I have beautiful children, grandchildren a loving wife of 35 years, friends and most importantly a Savior named Jesus. Who when I stand before him will pass judgement.

lot of them never get 1/2 mile from the road some just drive roads. Some buy LO tags so they can hunt mulies and elk 4th season ever year...etc.

Same people that dog texas are same guys that will slam you for guided hunts or private ranches.

CO is far from true wilderness as a majority. It is no Frank church. Very few places in CO you can't hike out of in a day. Infact it's funny coming from a self proclaimed mountain man

Great point sir.

Amen brother, Amen!

Says the guy who won't come try to kill my pet eland in a 500 acre pen. Makes the above a steaming pile of BS.

And typically all the high dollar sheep are killed similarly although with only one or two spotters and no helo ride up, tho in BC their almost all located with a helo before the hunter arrives. Anyone who thinks guides and outfitters have the time to "make it a hunt" just ain't paying attention.

I'm pretty sure my "ancestors " would have killed a bakers dozen deer
with a hand grenade while they were standing at a feed trough just to get
the meat. Like so many things hunting has been romanticized, commercialized
and sanitized. Once it became a sport, there was no stopping it.

The truth

I wish people would stop liking what I don't like.

You kidding me....

I couldn't care less about shooting it; I grew up with plenty of opportunity for that nonsense. I know how well animals can hide in hf; especially aoudad that don’t want to be found. Ever shoot them with darts? You have to kick the right bush to get them out. You all want to take a generalizations to an extreme. I bet someone could fill the back of a truck bed up with other species on the place.
I'll be free after hunting season (mld, quail, varmints take up all my weekends until March). Depending on how close you are (I'm assuming Big Lake since you had something on here forever about sub-leasing some land), I'd be willing to make a bet (at least $1K to make it worth while) to spend the time to come video the animal for you. We can just call that "shooting" him. Sounds like fun to me, but we both need to have some cash on the table. Walking away with a dead Eland doesn't float my boat.

100% missed the point. I don't have time or really care to articulate. Make of it what you wish.

I still want to know how those coyotes deftsound kills taste!

wondered the same thing

Kinda like crow I'd reckon.

I am putting signs under mine right now...




Exactly! And why don't they hunt like I hunt? How come everybody doesn't share MY values?

It is just a bunch more of George Carlin's scenario about driving...
"Anybody that drives faster than me is an idiot and anybody driving slower than me is a moron."

No. Mountain Home. And for the record, YOU are the one that said HF hunts are 100% guaranteed. And then crawfished when asked to prove it.

Well make lemonade outta your lemons. Buy some female Eland, drop them off in the pasture and let the sneaky sucker go to work. When you get a 1 Eland to 50 acre ratio, I will come shoot one fair and square.

Uhmmm, going to need to up that wager. Plan on staying at the ranch or what? Mid April work? What is your $$ limit; I don't care, but I'm not messing around with it unless there is some $$ in this deal? Proving something to everyone on here means very little to me. I don't know Tom from Harry on this forum. Let's get out the wallet and see what happens and quit playing around.

"Well make lemonade outta your lemons. Buy some female Eland, drop them off in the pasture and let the sneaky sucker go to work. When you get a 1 Eland to 50 acre ratio, I will come shoot one fair and square."

Didn't read the post that said I'm getting out of the eland biz.

"Uhmmm, going to need to up that wager. Plan on staying at the ranch or what? Mid April work? What is your $$ limit; I don't care, but I'm not messing around with it unless there is some $$ in this deal? Proving something to everyone on here means very little to me. I don't know Tom from Harry on this forum. Let's get out the wallet and see what happens and quit playing around."

Well then, maybe you shouldn't talk straight outta your nether regions when you aren't willing to back your BS.

Oh, and I'm already in it for money. Or did you think eland grow on trees ?? You know you could sell the meat for a pretty penny. But the fact is you ain't got it in you to back up your 100% success line of steamin BS.

Wow, I don't even know what your talking about. I know you have all day but I don't, my time is valuable. I asked for details - HOW much are you willing to wager? Is there a place to stay? Does mid April work? Let's get this deal done and move on.

If you look back, my comment was "Shhhh, don't tell anyone! That is bad for business." In regard to the 100% statement......man, you should find some other ways to spend the day.

Give me a name and number to call to hash this deal out then you can come back and write about it on the forum. I'm out on continuing to spend time on here going back and forth. This is ridiculous.