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How Close---- UPDATE

Posted By: mikeydon

How Close---- UPDATE - 10/07/16 01:05 PM

In the state of Texas,How close can you put a deer stand to some one's house,Just asking popcorn

UP-DATE

OK, I did talk with the game warden today,And there is NO restriction's how close you can be to a resident's as long as you DON'T cross the property line without permission,And yes i have TRIED to talk to him respectfully and was told to go *%&^$#@ ok,I was told just keep doing what you normally do,grand-kid's playing what ever your at home,if there is anything suspected, call me,after a visit or 2 he will know he is being watched and probably move on,I was just asking,HOW CLOSE,One BUTT in the sack is enough don't need two in the same sack,That don't accomplish nothing,I'm good,THANK Y'ALL,LET'S HAVE A GREAT HUNTING SEASON,YOUR BEST AND BE SAFE happy3
Posted By: krmitchell

Re: How Close - 10/07/16 01:15 PM

As close to your property line as you want unless there is a county or city restriction in place.
Posted By: fouzman

Re: How Close - 10/07/16 01:15 PM

"Always get the landowner’s permission before building or setting up a blind or stand. Be sure the landowner gives approval of the blind’s location. Placing a blind or a feeder too close to a property line can be dangerous, unethical and very discourteous to neighbors".

There is no law, other than shooting across property lines. However, if it's not YOUR house, then I would heed the advice above from TPWD. Don't be "that guy". up
Posted By: syncerus

Re: How Close - 10/07/16 01:41 PM

I would think that suppressing your rifle would help the land owner make that decision in your favor.
Posted By: stxranchman

Re: How Close - 10/07/16 01:51 PM

I put it as close as I would want one to my house.
Posted By: mikeydon

Re: How Close - 10/07/16 01:52 PM

Naw i going to be nice and say the property owner next to me is a real winner,OK,[he's a real SOB],HE try's to bully some of the other older neighbor's here, He has put a deer stand just about 50 to 75 feet beside my house,Now i think there is some unwritten rule's you just DON'T DO as a hunter such as poaching,trespassing and jacking with some one's else's stuff or disturbing your neighbor's,But i guess that's the world we live in now confused2
Posted By: krmitchell

Re: How Close - 10/07/16 01:54 PM

Originally Posted By: mikeydon
Naw i going to be nice and say the property owner next to me is a real winner,OK,[he's a real SOB],He has put a deer stand just about 50 to 75 feet. beside my house,Now i think there is some unwritten rule's you just DON'T DO as a hunter such as poaching,trespassing and jacking with some one's else's stuff or disturbing your neighbor's,But i guess that's the world we live in now confused2


Nothing to stop you from mowing your yard at 7:00 AM every Saturday morning when his feeder goes off.
Posted By: ZK-315

Re: How Close - 10/07/16 01:55 PM

Flip an air compressor on when you see his deer starting to show up? confused2
Posted By: stxranchman

Re: How Close - 10/07/16 01:57 PM

Bought time to cut a couple of loads of firewood. Nothing like starting early to beat the heat. I like to rest during the heat of the day then work till dark while it is cooler also.
Posted By: krmitchell

Re: How Close - 10/07/16 01:59 PM

Just out of curiosity, have you tried to talk to him about it?
Posted By: TexFlip

Re: How Close - 10/07/16 02:03 PM

What county is it? There might be a law in the books.
Posted By: redchevy

Re: How Close - 10/07/16 02:09 PM

Originally Posted By: stxranchman
I put it as close as I would want one to my house.


Wait a sec... I've shot deer out of my house before! not that close!
Posted By: Double Naught Spy

Re: How Close - 10/07/16 02:15 PM

Originally Posted By: ZK-315
Flip an air compressor on when you see his deer starting to show up? confused2


That would be considered hunter harassment and is illegal.

http://inforney.com/local-news/item/4708...r-law-to-forney

https://www.animallaw.info/statute/tx-hunting-%C2%A7-620125-harassment-hunters-trappers-and-fishermen

Quote:
This law represents Texas' hunter harassment law, also known as the Sportsman's Rights Act. Under the section, a person may not intentionally interfere with another person lawfully engaged in the process of hunting or catching wildlife, or intentionally harass, drive, or disturb any wildlife for the purpose of disrupting lawful hunting. Violation is a Class B misdemeanor. It is an affirmative defense to prosecution that the defendant's conduct is protected by the right to freedom of speech under the constitution of this state or the United States.
Posted By: syncerus

Re: How Close - 10/07/16 02:19 PM

Originally Posted By: rexmitchell
Just out of curiosity, have you tried to talk to him about it?


That's a two way street. Before I did something, anything, potentially obnoxious to my neighbors I would discuss the situation with them. Also, I'd imagine the hunter harassment laws wouldn't apply to routine tasks on one's own property. Unless there's a city ordinance, you have the right to mow your lawn or run an air compressor anytime that you like.
Posted By: krmitchell

Re: How Close - 10/07/16 02:20 PM

Originally Posted By: Double Naught Spy
Originally Posted By: ZK-315
Flip an air compressor on when you see his deer starting to show up? confused2


That would be considered hunter harassment and is illegal.

http://inforney.com/local-news/item/4708...r-law-to-forney

https://www.animallaw.info/statute/tx-hunting-%C2%A7-620125-harassment-hunters-trappers-and-fishermen

Quote:
This law represents Texas' hunter harassment law, also known as the Sportsman's Rights Act. Under the section, a person may not intentionally interfere with another person lawfully engaged in the process of hunting or catching wildlife, or intentionally harass, drive, or disturb any wildlife for the purpose of disrupting lawful hunting. Violation is a Class B misdemeanor. It is an affirmative defense to prosecution that the defendant's conduct is protected by the right to freedom of speech under the constitution of this state or the United States.



While I agree with doing something out of the ordinary to disrupt their hunt could be construed as illegal, you as a property owner still have the right to do as you please on your property. With that being said, if he decided to do work in the morning involving his compressor, it is going to be really hard to argue that he is breaking the law. Especially knowing that the guy decided to hunt the fenceline which is a stones throw from your house.

Posted By: redchevy

Re: How Close - 10/07/16 02:21 PM

Originally Posted By: Double Naught Spy
Originally Posted By: ZK-315
Flip an air compressor on when you see his deer starting to show up? confused2


That would be considered hunter harassment and is illegal.

http://inforney.com/local-news/item/4708...r-law-to-forney

https://www.animallaw.info/statute/tx-hunting-%C2%A7-620125-harassment-hunters-trappers-and-fishermen

Quote:
This law represents Texas' hunter harassment law, also known as the Sportsman's Rights Act. Under the section, a person may not intentionally interfere with another person lawfully engaged in the process of hunting or catching wildlife, or intentionally harass, drive, or disturb any wildlife for the purpose of disrupting lawful hunting. Violation is a Class B misdemeanor. It is an affirmative defense to prosecution that the defendant's conduct is protected by the right to freedom of speech under the constitution of this state or the United States.


Not if your in your driveway and need to air up a tire or two.
Posted By: krmitchell

Re: How Close - 10/07/16 02:22 PM

Originally Posted By: redchevy
Originally Posted By: Double Naught Spy
Originally Posted By: ZK-315
Flip an air compressor on when you see his deer starting to show up? confused2


That would be considered hunter harassment and is illegal.

http://inforney.com/local-news/item/4708...r-law-to-forney

https://www.animallaw.info/statute/tx-hunting-%C2%A7-620125-harassment-hunters-trappers-and-fishermen

Quote:
This law represents Texas' hunter harassment law, also known as the Sportsman's Rights Act. Under the section, a person may not intentionally interfere with another person lawfully engaged in the process of hunting or catching wildlife, or intentionally harass, drive, or disturb any wildlife for the purpose of disrupting lawful hunting. Violation is a Class B misdemeanor. It is an affirmative defense to prosecution that the defendant's conduct is protected by the right to freedom of speech under the constitution of this state or the United States.


Not if your in your driveway and need to air up a tire or two.


Agreed, it would be different if you went to the far corner of your property and started target practice next to their blind on opening morning.
Posted By: ZK-315

Re: How Close - 10/07/16 02:23 PM

Maybe his tire was running a little low on his pickup. I didn't know airing up tires was hunter harassment. I guess mowing the lawn is too then? Oh wait, I guess cutting firewood is also. SMH. It's called a joke.
Posted By: stxranchman

Re: How Close - 10/07/16 02:27 PM

Originally Posted By: ZK-315
Maybe his tire was running a little low on his pickup. I didn't know airing up tires was hunter harassment. I guess mowing the lawn is too then? Oh wait, I guess cutting firewood is also. SMH. It's called a joke.

No, it is called normal activity around ones home. One man chose where to put his house and one guy chose where to put his stand. Both will have to live with the activity that occurs from this point on.
Posted By: TX_LT230FH

Re: How Close - 10/07/16 02:28 PM

Originally Posted By: Double Naught Spy

That would be considered hunter harassment and is illegal.

bs Not if the stand is 50-75 feet from the house.
Posted By: ZK-315

Re: How Close - 10/07/16 02:33 PM

Originally Posted By: stxranchman
Originally Posted By: ZK-315
Maybe his tire was running a little low on his pickup. I didn't know airing up tires was hunter harassment. I guess mowing the lawn is too then? Oh wait, I guess cutting firewood is also. SMH. It's called a joke.

No, it is called normal activity around ones home. One man chose where to put his house and one guy chose where to put his stand. Both will have to live with the activity that occurs from this point on.


I'm not disagreeing with you on that. I was more or less being a smart arse in my original post
Posted By: krmitchell

Re: How Close - 10/07/16 02:36 PM

Not knocking you OP but this is why I would never build a house next to a property line. Simply put, the guy next to you can do whatever they want on their side of the property and that may include shooting, dumping, or whatever other unpleasant activity they can think up.
Posted By: Texan Til I Die

Re: How Close - 10/07/16 02:39 PM

Most of those ideas about making noise probably won't bother the local deer much. I had a lease where one stand was about 75 yards from a house. There was a thick line of brush between the stand and house and the stand faced away from the property line. The people at that house were always making all kinds of racket but the deer didn't pay any attention to it at all. In fact, deer frequently came out of that brush line between my stand and the house on their way to the feeder.
Posted By: fouzman

Re: How Close - 10/07/16 02:59 PM

Have a friend that had this problem on one of his fence lines. He wired transistor radios to his high fence adjacent to every one of the crappy neighbor's stands or feeders, which were 20 ft - 50ft the other side of the high fence. He tuned them all to a Mexican radio station and turned the volume on max. He then purchased a couple cases of batteries and had his ranchero check the radios every day and replace the batteries as needed. Within three weeks, these "hunters" had moved all of their stands and feeders several hundred yards from the fence line.
Posted By: krmitchell

Re: How Close - 10/07/16 03:03 PM

Originally Posted By: fouzman
Have a friend that had this problem on one of his fence lines. He wired transistor radios to his high fence adjacent to every one of the crappy neighbor's stands or feeders, which were 20 ft - 50ft the other side of the high fence. He tuned them all to a Mexican radio station and turned the volume on max. He then purchased a couple cases of batteries and had his ranchero check the radios every day and replace the batteries as needed. Within three weeks, these "hunters" had moved all of their stands and feeders several hundred yards from the fence line.


That will get you a visit from the GW and I can almost guarantee you a ride to jail.
Posted By: swmays

Re: How Close - 10/07/16 03:08 PM

Right, wrong or sideways, I'd blast the snot out of those radios...
Posted By: stxranchman

Re: How Close - 10/07/16 03:08 PM

Originally Posted By: ZK-315
Originally Posted By: stxranchman
Originally Posted By: ZK-315
Maybe his tire was running a little low on his pickup. I didn't know airing up tires was hunter harassment. I guess mowing the lawn is too then? Oh wait, I guess cutting firewood is also. SMH. It's called a joke.

No, it is called normal activity around ones home. One man chose where to put his house and one guy chose where to put his stand. Both will have to live with the activity that occurs from this point on.


I'm not disagreeing with you on that. I was more or less being a smart arse in my original post

I knew what you meant by your post. I was just clarifying my post.
Posted By: fouzman

Re: How Close - 10/07/16 03:15 PM

Originally Posted By: rexmitchell
Originally Posted By: fouzman
Have a friend that had this problem on one of his fence lines. He wired transistor radios to his high fence adjacent to every one of the crappy neighbor's stands or feeders, which were 20 ft - 50ft the other side of the high fence. He tuned them all to a Mexican radio station and turned the volume on max. He then purchased a couple cases of batteries and had his ranchero check the radios every day and replace the batteries as needed. Within three weeks, these "hunters" had moved all of their stands and feeders several hundred yards from the fence line.


That will get you a visit from the GW and I can almost guarantee you a ride to jail.


Well, it didn't. And I will guarantee you that no GW in Texas would take this gentleman to jail.
Posted By: fouzman

Re: How Close - 10/07/16 03:17 PM

Originally Posted By: swmays
Right, wrong or sideways, I'd blast the snot out of those radios...


Would you put your stand 20 feet from your neighbor's fence without permission? And you would be shooting across a property line.
Posted By: stxranchman

Re: How Close - 10/07/16 03:18 PM

Originally Posted By: fouzman
Originally Posted By: rexmitchell
Originally Posted By: fouzman
Have a friend that had this problem on one of his fence lines. He wired transistor radios to his high fence adjacent to every one of the crappy neighbor's stands or feeders, which were 20 ft - 50ft the other side of the high fence. He tuned them all to a Mexican radio station and turned the volume on max. He then purchased a couple cases of batteries and had his ranchero check the radios every day and replace the batteries as needed. Within three weeks, these "hunters" had moved all of their stands and feeders several hundred yards from the fence line.


That will get you a visit from the GW and I can almost guarantee you a ride to jail.


Well, it didn't. And I will guarantee you that no GW in Texas would take this gentleman to jail.

scratch So he is above the letter of the law?
Posted By: stxranchman

Re: How Close - 10/07/16 03:21 PM

Originally Posted By: fouzman
Originally Posted By: swmays
Right, wrong or sideways, I'd blast the snot out of those radios...


Would you put your stand 20 feet from your neighbor's fence without permission? And you would be shooting across a property line.

I would not need his permission to do what I wanted on my land and they on their land. I don't have a blind or stand on the fence but would have no issue if someone did it on their side. Just as they should have no issue if I decided to put up a HF on my side. If they put a blind on the fence then they should have no issue with my driving down that fence line like if I chose to everyday.
Posted By: fouzman

Re: How Close - 10/07/16 03:25 PM

No one is above the letter of the law. But some are just better connected than most.
Posted By: Creedmoor

Re: How Close - 10/07/16 03:37 PM

Unless the neighbor shoots in your direction or otherwise endangers you or your family, I'd just forget about it and go on about my business. Certainly it is in poor taste and inconsiderate for him to do this, but if you can't change the situation your best course of action is to just live with it.
Posted By: swmays

Re: How Close - 10/07/16 03:40 PM

Originally Posted By: fouzman
Originally Posted By: swmays
Right, wrong or sideways, I'd blast the snot out of those radios...


Would you put your stand 20 feet from your neighbor's fence without permission? And you would be shooting across a property line.


In a heart beat if it was a high fence (which you state it was). Why not if it makes sense on my side...
Posted By: stxranchman

Re: How Close - 10/07/16 03:46 PM

Originally Posted By: Creedmoor
Unless the neighbor shoots in your direction or otherwise endangers you or your family, I'd just forget about it and go on about my business. Certainly it is in poor taste and inconsiderate for him to do this, but if you can't change the situation your best course of action is to just live with it.

It is poor taste and not neighborly. I agree as long as you do not alter or change your daily or seasonal routines and activities to harass them. It is not harassment if you are doing things any day that would normally or routinely do. A radio on the just put on the fence is not normal, but a radio playing daily with outside speakers in the backyard would be normal. If your or my daily routine is bothering your hunts in a newly placed blind then you have to live with it or move your stand.
Posted By: scalebuster

Re: How Close - 10/07/16 04:03 PM

Originally Posted By: fouzman
No one is above the letter of the law. But some are just better connected than most.


This is very true. I saw it happen. A warden was going to take some young out of state hunters on our place to jail and the landowner came up and told him he wasn't taking anyone to jail. The warden told him that he was and he may take him to jail too if he didn't stand down.
The landowner made a phone call and handed the phone to the warden. The warden hung up the phone loaded up and drove off. I was impressed.
Posted By: Creedmoor

Re: How Close - 10/07/16 04:21 PM

Originally Posted By: stxranchman
Originally Posted By: Creedmoor
Unless the neighbor shoots in your direction or otherwise endangers you or your family, I'd just forget about it and go on about my business. Certainly it is in poor taste and inconsiderate for him to do this, but if you can't change the situation your best course of action is to just live with it.

It is poor taste and not neighborly. I agree as long as you do not alter or change your daily or seasonal routines and activities to harass them. It is not harassment if you are doing things any day that would normally or routinely do. A radio on the just put on the fence is not normal, but a radio playing daily with outside speakers in the backyard would be normal. If your or my daily routine is bothering your hunts in a newly placed blind then you have to live with it or move your stand.


I think you missed my point. wink

There's nothing he can do about it except worry himself batty. Sure, if he wants to be combative and play radios, mow lawns, etc he is certainly in his rights to do so. But I've learned over my 62 years that adding another azzhole to the mix just leaves you with 2 azzholes. And the original azzhole is still there ......

I prefer to ignore this type of nuisance and not allow it to waste my time or energy if it isn't illegal or dangerous. Especially if I can't do anything about it. Just file it away and hope the neighbor asks for assistance some day in the future.
Posted By: Wilhunt

Re: How Close - 10/07/16 04:33 PM

Talk to a game warden about this.
Posted By: Double Naught Spy

Re: How Close - 10/07/16 04:34 PM

Quote:
Would you put your stand 20 feet from your neighbor's fence without permission?


One doesn't need permission to put a stand on their own property, even right by the fence.
Posted By: scalebuster

Re: How Close - 10/07/16 04:44 PM

I wish a neighbor would set up a feeder next to my house. That way I could shoot them them from the kitchen window when they headed to his feeder and I wouldn't have to buy any corn to fill mine.
Posted By: fouzman

Re: How Close - 10/07/16 05:41 PM

Originally Posted By: Double Naught Spy
Quote:
Would you put your stand 20 feet from your neighbor's fence without permission?


One doesn't need permission to put a stand on their own property, even right by the fence.


It's not about permission. It's about common sense and being an ethical hunter and good neighbor. Just because it is legal doesn't make it right. Golden rule. Treat others as you would like to be treated.
Posted By: stxranchman

Re: How Close - 10/07/16 07:55 PM

Originally Posted By: Creedmoor
Originally Posted By: stxranchman
Originally Posted By: Creedmoor
Unless the neighbor shoots in your direction or otherwise endangers you or your family, I'd just forget about it and go on about my business. Certainly it is in poor taste and inconsiderate for him to do this, but if you can't change the situation your best course of action is to just live with it.

It is poor taste and not neighborly. I agree as long as you do not alter or change your daily or seasonal routines and activities to harass them. It is not harassment if you are doing things any day that would normally or routinely do. A radio on the just put on the fence is not normal, but a radio playing daily with outside speakers in the backyard would be normal. If your or my daily routine is bothering your hunts in a newly placed blind then you have to live with it or move your stand.


I think you missed my point. wink

There's nothing he can do about it except worry himself batty. Sure, if he wants to be combative and play radios, mow lawns, etc he is certainly in his rights to do so. But I've learned over my 62 years that adding another azzhole to the mix just leaves you with 2 azzholes. And the original azzhole is still there ......

I prefer to ignore this type of nuisance and not allow it to waste my time or energy if it isn't illegal or dangerous. Especially if I can't do anything about it. Just file it away and hope the neighbor asks for assistance some day in the future.

No sir I got your point but think you missed mine. I would not change my day to day routine if someone put up a blind close to my house or on my fence. I would not worry or loose any sleep at all. I am not but a couple of years younger than you are also. I consider myself a good neighbor and have good neighbors around me.
Posted By: Creedmoor

Re: How Close - 10/07/16 08:09 PM

up
Posted By: JohnRussell

Re: How Close - 10/09/16 04:39 PM

It is not harassment if you happen to do "normal things" that are loud. That is a really hard thing to prove AND most game wardens are smart enough to know the difference.

Would I set up a motion detector to start an engine when movement is detected? Nah, but if you want, put in a high fence all along that side. Can't shoot there if nothing can make it there. Spray deer repellent regularly along that fence line. Lots of things you can do to make things not want to go to that area.

You also could take a totally new approach and build a really nice deer stand and give it to the neighbor as a way of saying, "I know you like that spot, but I would feel safer if it was not so close. So, I built you a nice deer stand. Maybe I could help you place it elsewhere for your trouble?"

Tons of ways to make a friend and be a good neighbor and win them over.

If that fails, tons of ways to make that area less desirable.
Posted By: 603Country

Re: How Close - 10/09/16 04:51 PM

That side of the OP's house looks like a great place to put his new pistol range. And practice, practice, practice...
Posted By: Double Naught Spy

Re: How Close - 10/09/16 06:48 PM

Originally Posted By: fouzman
Originally Posted By: Double Naught Spy
Quote:
Would you put your stand 20 feet from your neighbor's fence without permission?


One doesn't need permission to put a stand on their own property, even right by the fence.


It's not about permission. It's about common sense and being an ethical hunter and good neighbor. Just because it is legal doesn't make it right. Golden rule. Treat others as you would like to be treated.


You were the you who indicated you had to get permission. You stated it clearly.

Funny thing about common sense is that it isn't common and often isn't sensible. Funny how common sense often seems to be in the eye of the beholder. That is why we have laws.

I don't have a problem with a neighbor putting a stand near the fence. So long as his shots don't cross the property line, there is no problem - common sense.
Posted By: dkershen

Re: How Close - 10/09/16 10:29 PM

I know of more than one GW that've written tickets to folks for running ATVs and chainsaws on fence lines with the intent of bothering hunters. There's a fine line between going about your own business mowing your lawn on Saturday versus intentional hunter harassment. Game Wardens are getting good at gathering video evidence and the Judges are backing them.
Posted By: fouzman

Re: How Close - 10/10/16 01:18 PM

Originally Posted By: Double Naught Spy
Originally Posted By: fouzman
Originally Posted By: Double Naught Spy
Quote:
Would you put your stand 20 feet from your neighbor's fence without permission?


One doesn't need permission to put a stand on their own property, even right by the fence.


It's not about permission. It's about common sense and being an ethical hunter and good neighbor. Just because it is legal doesn't make it right. Golden rule. Treat others as you would like to be treated.


You were the you who indicated you had to get permission. You stated it clearly.

Funny thing about common sense is that it isn't common and often isn't sensible. Funny how common sense often seems to be in the eye of the beholder. That is why we have laws.

I don't have a problem with a neighbor putting a stand near the fence. So long as his shots don't cross the property line, there is no problem - common sense.


I didn't indicate you HAD to get permission. I asked if someone would put up the stand without the neighbor's permission. As in, without first talking to the neighbor. Common sense, common courtesy ya know? I guess that's why you need a law to spell it out for you.
Posted By: swmays

Re: How Close - 10/10/16 02:17 PM

Your reply regarding permission was to me. And it was with regards to a high fence. No need for permission and no violation of common sense to put a stand right next to a high fence. Some may disagree, but considering there's a game proof barrier I see no issue.

Low fence is a different story. A stand next to a boundary line / low fence can be aggravating. So yes, common sense and a conversation could mitigate the aggravation.
Posted By: krmitchell

Re: How Close - 10/10/16 02:56 PM

Originally Posted By: dkershen
I know of more than one GW that've written tickets to folks for running ATVs and chainsaws on fence lines with the intent of bothering hunters. There's a fine line between going about your own business mowing your lawn on Saturday versus intentional hunter harassment. Game Wardens are getting good at gathering video evidence and the Judges are backing them.


If you are intentionally going out of the way to be a turd then sure. We have neighbors that put three blinds along our fenceline. Just so happens we have a road there that we periodically use to go to and from our stands. I'm not about to stop using a road because of where they placed their feeders. No GW is going to ticket someone for doing that. It might be different if I sat there doing donuts in next to their stand opening morning but just driving? I don't think so. In reference to the OP, he put a blind up next to his house, not the other side of the property. Anything you would normally do around your house on any given day is fair game and no GW or judge is going to ticket/convict you of going about your business.
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