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Shark fishing with a bow

Posted By: chk

Shark fishing with a bow - 03/26/15 03:14 AM

This is just my opinion but these jokers that shot the mako with a bow are pathetic.
Really..
A shark in the back? I'm sure some will more than disagree with my opinion but I think this crosses the line a bit and I think this is pretty inhumane.
That's all I have
Posted By: cameron00

Re: Shark fishing with a bow - 03/26/15 01:04 PM

How is it any worse than reeling one in and then putting a flying gaff through it?
Posted By: Pope&Young

Re: Shark fishing with a bow - 03/26/15 02:16 PM

nidea I remember seeing a tiger shark in the movie Jaws that had an arrow stuck in it
Posted By: Pitchfork Predator

Re: Shark fishing with a bow - 03/26/15 02:26 PM

Can't get my arms around using humane and shark in the same sentence.
Posted By: Navasot

Re: Shark fishing with a bow - 03/26/15 02:28 PM

Originally Posted By: cameron00
How is it any worse than reeling one in and then putting a flying gaff through it?
Posted By: skinnerback

Re: Shark fishing with a bow - 03/26/15 03:27 PM

Originally Posted By: chk
This is just my opinion but these jokers that shot the mako with a bow are pathetic.
Really..
A shark in the back? I'm sure some will more than disagree with my opinion but I think this crosses the line a bit and I think this is pretty inhumane.
That's all I have


Posted By: redchevy

Re: Shark fishing with a bow - 03/26/15 03:38 PM

^^^ what they said.

Also wanted to add, you may be on the wrong forum.
Posted By: GOLDSTEIN

Re: Shark fishing with a bow - 03/26/15 07:39 PM

Originally Posted By: cameron00
How is it any worse than reeling one in and then putting a flying gaff through it?
Posted By: SniperRAB

Re: Shark fishing with a bow - 03/27/15 01:08 AM

Posted By: txtrophy85

Re: Shark fishing with a bow - 03/27/15 02:13 AM

The hippies have checked in

A kill is a kill. Shooting a shark with a bow is no different than reeling one in and gaffing it then popping it in the head with a bang stick

Personally I think it's pretty cool
Posted By: WhoDat

Re: Shark fishing with a bow - 03/27/15 02:25 AM

Those videos kick [censored]! How did I miss this?

And these sharks suffered less than some of the bungling gaff jobs that I've seen... heck, some of the lousy gaff jobs I've done... LOL
Posted By: Hogman4127

Re: Shark fishing with a bow - 03/27/15 02:55 AM

I think PETA members would agree with you but not anyone on this forum.
Posted By: LAstrutter

Re: Shark fishing with a bow - 03/27/15 03:27 AM

Probably the worst thing about the episode was that the Mako was a world record taken by bow at over 800 pounds and he didn't have it mounted.
Posted By: Jeff Thomason

Re: Shark fishing with a bow - 03/27/15 02:46 PM

Hey the Joker that shot the MAKO checking in! Im glad a few of you got to see the show at least. Trust me, I get a lot of Hate mail about the shark, but I get way more good publicity than negative. You either love it or hate it. I personally love going out there. Just something about the unknown of the ocean. Glad you guys enjoyed it. And I do have the measurements in case I decide to mount him, but it was 11 feet long! My house is just not quite big enough yet....
Posted By: skinnerback

Re: Shark fishing with a bow - 03/27/15 02:52 PM

I haven't seen the show yet, but Mako's are good eating!
Posted By: chk

Re: Shark fishing with a bow - 03/27/15 02:59 PM

I certainly won't be sending any hate mail your way. I'm def not with PETA nor a hippie.
I do respect the fact that 400 pounds of meat went to the needy(didn't see that on the show but read that in the article just little bit ago)
To each his own on what we all hunt, but my buddy and I were watching it and didn't care for this particular "hunt".

Just voicing my opinion.

Let the bashing begin.
Posted By: txtrophy85

Re: Shark fishing with a bow - 03/27/15 04:02 PM

Originally Posted By: chk
I certainly won't be sending any hate mail your way. I'm def not with PETA nor a hippie.
I do respect the fact that 400 pounds of meat went to the needy(didn't see that on the show but read that in the article just little bit ago)
To each his own on what we all hunt, but my buddy and I were watching it and didn't care for this particular "hunt".

Just voicing my opinion.

Let the bashing begin.


Well what about it was over the line?
Elaborate on why you think it's wrong
Posted By: Jeff Thomason

Re: Shark fishing with a bow - 03/27/15 05:14 PM

I think guys get hung up on the fact that it is such a close shot. They forget everything that goes into the trip. We are in the wide open Pacific Ocean. The shark is not hooked prior to being shot with the bow. It takes ALOT to get a shark to commit and get that close. There have been alot that have shown up but would not come into the boat. But there is no doubt that we could have hooked them with ease. The 400lbs of meat was donated to a shelter and they were very happy to get it. That meat is around $8-10 a pound. In my mind, this is about as "fair chase" and difficult of a hunt as you can get. You need alot of things to line up and go your way. That day everything worked out perfectly and I am proud that we were able to do something nobody else has ever accomplished. Im sure one day it will beaten, but that is what records are for!
Posted By: Pope&Young

Re: Shark fishing with a bow - 03/27/15 05:37 PM

Originally Posted By: Jeff Thomason
I think guys get hung up on the fact that it is such a close shot. They forget everything that goes into the trip. We are in the wide open Pacific Ocean. The shark is not hooked prior to being shot with the bow. It takes ALOT to get a shark to commit and get that close. There have been alot that have shown up but would not come into the boat. But there is no doubt that we could have hooked them with ease. The 400lbs of meat was donated to a shelter and they were very happy to get it. That meat is around $8-10 a pound. In my mind, this is about as "fair chase" and difficult of a hunt as you can get. You need alot of things to line up and go your way. That day everything worked out perfectly and I am proud that we were able to do something nobody else has ever accomplished. Im sure one day it will beaten, but that is what records are for!


Congrats up
Posted By: OffCoor1

Re: Shark fishing with a bow - 03/27/15 06:51 PM

Good stuff, Jeff !!
Posted By: Pitchfork Predator

Re: Shark fishing with a bow - 03/27/15 07:52 PM

Congrats and well done Jeff. up
Posted By: J.G.

Re: Shark fishing with a bow - 03/28/15 01:38 AM

Originally Posted By: Pitchfork Predator
Congrats and well done Jeff. up
Posted By: Matt1023

Re: Shark fishing with a bow - 03/28/15 02:19 AM

Im not quite getting the logic here. You're mad about him shooting it with a bow, but it would be OK for him to catch it on a rod and reel? Not much of a difference there. Both ways the shark dies in the end. And Jeff is right, its a very impressive feat to get that shark close enough to the boat. In my mind it seems actually a lot more "sporting" to do it that way.

And congrats Jeff, I saw some of the promos but never saw the episode. Is there anywhere I can see it online?
Posted By: txtrophy85

Re: Shark fishing with a bow - 03/28/15 04:26 AM

Originally Posted By: Matt1023
Im not quite getting the logic here. You're mad about him shooting it with a bow, but it would be OK for him to catch it on a rod and reel? Not much of a difference there. Both ways the shark dies in the end. And Jeff is right, its a very impressive feat to get that shark close enough to the boat. In my mind it seems actually a lot more "sporting" to do it that way.

And congrats Jeff, I saw some of the promos but never saw the episode. Is there anywhere I can see it online?


There is no logic, like most other anti-bow fishing threads.

They say they don't like it but never give any legitimate reasons why, just thst they don't like it

Take the op for instance, says it's pathetic and crosses the line but doesn't elaborate beyond that.

There is a 9 page thread over on the TFF about bow fishing and it's like talking to a brick wall
Posted By: Sniper John

Re: Shark fishing with a bow - 03/28/15 06:32 AM

Been many years, but I bowfished sharks on yearly trips off the Florida Keys. Much more sporting than you would think. Nothing inhumane was done. And each Shark was cut into stakes and eaten by my family over several weeks. I obviously see nothing wrong with it. I hunt and fish and that's what it is.
Posted By: FeetDown

Re: Shark fishing with a bow - 03/28/15 02:35 PM

Knee-jerk reaction: Not a fan. What if it gets away? Now you've just wounded the shark and it will suffer.

Of course that was without knowing anything at all about what goes into the trip and how the process works...like 90% of the critics out there I'd guess.

After reflection for a few minutes: I think I'm either fully on-board with the idea (assuming the arrow typically causes only superficial wounds), or conditionally on-board (the condition being that, failing the previously-referenced assumption, you're fishing for keeps).

Correct me if I'm wrong (please!), but it seems the idea is to "hook" the shark (with the arrow) so that you can subsequently reel it in like in regular fishing. No vitals involved. Assuming the wound inflicted by the arrow is typically just superficial - i.e. along the lines of hooking a fish in the mouth - then it's not very different than regular fishing pain-and-suffering-wise, which most people are ok with. Is this typically the case? From the photo of the catch, that arrow looks pretty darn tiny compared to the shark...

Even still, I feel a little hypocritical taking that stance because I love to bow hunt for deer - which as we all know, can sometimes involve bad shots that can cause the kind of pain-and-suffering that absolutely haunts us hunters. Same with bad rifle shots. But while I may have trouble articulating exactly why I am ok with hunting (as many of us probably do when really put to the task), I am ok with the risk - perhaps because we strive to do the inevitable (the taking of life to sustain our own - even plants) in a responsible, ethical manner that enhances our natural connection with the land. Sorry to wax philosophical, but there's a point to this.

Maybe that point is:
- If low risk of significant wound, bow hunt sharks freely, whether catching for keeps or catch-and-release. That is, it's no different than regular fishing.
- If decent risk of significant wound, maybe only arrow those you intend to kill and eat, and stick to less risky methods for sport.

Few things in life can be boiled down into such a simple if-then, but maybe this is a starting point for those who may feel conflicted?
Posted By: txtrophy85

Re: Shark fishing with a bow - 03/29/15 04:08 AM



Originally Posted By: FeetDown
Knee-jerk reaction: Not a fan. What if it gets away? Now you've just wounded the shark and it will suffer.

Of course that was without knowing anything at all about what goes into the trip and how the process works...like 90% of the critics out there I'd guess.

After reflection for a few minutes: I think I'm either fully on-board with the idea (assuming the arrow typically causes only superficial wounds), or conditionally on-board (the condition being that, failing the previously-referenced assumption, you're fishing for keeps).

Correct me if I'm wrong (please!), but it seems the idea is to "hook" the shark (with the arrow) so that you can subsequently reel it in like in regular fishing. No vitals involved. Assuming the wound inflicted by the arrow is typically just superficial - i.e. along the lines of hooking a fish in the mouth - then it's not very different than regular fishing pain-and-suffering-wise, which most people are ok with. Is this typically the case? From the photo of the catch, that arrow looks pretty darn tiny compared to the shark...

Even still, I feel a little hypocritical taking that stance because I love to bow hunt for deer - which as we all know, can sometimes involve bad shots that can cause the kind of pain-and-suffering that absolutely haunts us hunters. Same with bad rifle shots. But while I may have trouble articulating exactly why I am ok with hunting (as many of us probably do when really put to the task), I am ok with the risk - perhaps because we strive to do the inevitable (the taking of life to sustain our own - even plants) in a responsible, ethical manner that enhances our natural connection with the land. Sorry to wax philosophical, but there's a point to this.

Maybe that point is:
- If low risk of significant wound, bow hunt sharks freely, whether catching for keeps or catch-and-release. That is, it's no different than regular fishing.
- If decent risk of significant wound, maybe only arrow those you intend to kill and eat, and stick to less risky methods for sport.

Few things in life can be boiled down into such a simple if-then, but maybe this is a starting point for those who may feel conflicted?


What if the deer you shoot gets away and it suffers and subsequently dies? What is the difference in shooting a shark and shooting a deer?

You loose an arrow at something you are intending to kill it. No catch and release with bow hunting

But if your "playing for keeps" your method of harvest should matter little as long as it does not cause undue suffering and offers the highest possible chance for success once the target is engaged.

I think it's comical how some think it's fine to shoot a deer or pig or gut hook a fish and have it die and think it's fine but shoot a fish with a bow and your some kind of Neanderthal
Posted By: skinnerback

Re: Shark fishing with a bow - 03/29/15 04:35 AM

Used to grab small sharks by the tail and smack their head against the boat so to not destroy/tangle up all of the other stringers in the box, smack bigger sharks in the head with a club or sometimes a pipe wrench....sometimes just knifed them. Shoot them in the head with a 22 or a 12 gauge. If they were big enough they got stuck with the fly gaff before they got clubbed or shot with buckshot. Holy hell all this time we were being cruel to animals. I never knew it.
Posted By: FeetDown

Re: Shark fishing with a bow - 03/29/15 01:05 PM

Originally Posted By: txtrophy85

What if the deer you shoot gets away and it suffers and subsequently dies? What is the difference in shooting a shark and shooting a deer?

You loose an arrow at something you are intending to kill it. No catch and release with bow hunting

[/color]Previously addressed: "Correct me if I'm wrong (please!), but it seems the idea is to "hook" the shark (with the arrow) so that you can subsequently reel it in like in regular fishing. No vitals involved. Assuming the wound inflicted by the arrow is typically just superficial - i.e. along the lines of hooking a fish in the mouth - then it's not very different than regular fishing pain-and-suffering-wise, which most people are ok with. Is this typically the case? From the photo of the catch, that arrow looks pretty darn tiny compared to the shark..."

Stated otherwise - maybe there is ethical catch-and-release in bowhunting for sharks, by virtue of the limitations of the equipment used and by virtue of the sheer size of the shark? I don't know the answer to this (and clearly stated as such). If that is the case, it could be considered no worse than mouth-hooking a bass and releasing it. Anybody with experience know?[color:#FF0000]


But if your "playing for keeps" your method of harvest should matter little as long as it does not cause undue suffering and offers the highest possible chance for success once the target is engaged.

[/color]Fully agreed: "Even still, I feel a little hypocritical taking that stance because I love to bow hunt for deer - which as we all know, can sometimes involve bad shots that can cause the kind of pain-and-suffering that absolutely haunts us hunters. Same with bad rifle shots. But while I may have trouble articulating exactly why I am ok with hunting (as many of us probably do when really put to the task), I am ok with the risk - perhaps because we strive to do the inevitable (the taking of life to sustain our own - even plants) in a responsible, ethical manner that enhances our natural connection with the land. Sorry to wax philosophical, but there's a point to this."[color:#FF0000]

I think it's comical how some think it's fine to shoot a deer or pig or gut hook a fish and have it die and think it's fine but shoot a fish with a bow and your some kind of Neanderthal

[/color]Please note that I, upon "reflection for a few minutes," came to be on-board with the concept. As in you're not a neanderthal...[color:#FF0000]



I think, in principle, we're on the same page, no?
Posted By: Sniper John

Re: Shark fishing with a bow - 03/29/15 02:53 PM

Bowfishing is a kill harvest same as bowhunting deer. Bowfishing sharks same as when I now bow hunt alligators is a selective harvest. You only shoot what you intend to keep and eat. Though it was not managed well back when I did most of my shark fishing, saltwater bowfishing , and spearfishing in Texas or Florida, it is heavily managed now with bag limits, and restrictions on where and how you can fish. Same as any other managed fish or game resource. The kind of bowfishing equipment we used for Sharks and Rays, they did not get away. I had a 400 lb lead line on my bow. Larger fish were connected to a deep sea rod and reel, same one we used for hook and line shark fishing. Yes a hole was made in the shark, just like the point of a 14/0 or bigger hook is going to make a hole in a Sharks gullet or belly. If you want to debate weather or not a shark feels pain from a hook, arrow, gaff, or cut to bleed, there is no debate with me. They do. So does a pig when a pneumatic steel rod pierces it's head. They scream like a woman, sometimes for quite a while. Stop hunting and fishing, become a vegetarian, and join Peta forum if you can't live with that. Myself? I am going to have some more owens sausage with my breakfast this morning.

Sharks when dying and stressed create uric acid in their system. When we harvest a large shark, we tail rope it, leave it in the water and cut it to bleed it. If you don't bleed it, the uric acid will build up and remain in the meat. Large hook or Arrow, the fish is going to have a hole in it somewhere, it is going to be cut and bled, and is going to die a fairly fast death. A shark harvested in a faster manner such as bowfishing will actually taste better than will a shark that has been allowed to build up a large amount of uric acid caused by the stress of long fight on a rod and reel. A shark that has been Quickly caught, bled, then cut into steaks and put on ice or frozen while still fresh, tastes many times better and more humane than your nicely packaged commercial shark at the fish market that is full of uric acid from spending hours fighting for it's life on a long line or net.
Posted By: Matpk

Re: Shark fishing with a bow - 03/30/15 04:23 PM

Originally Posted By: skinnerback
I haven't seen the show yet, but Mako's are good eating!


Specially after feeding on some extra fat [censored]-sapiens lol35
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