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Same load. Different day. 100 fps difference.

Posted By: Sneaky

Same load. Different day. 100 fps difference. - 01/22/16 07:18 PM

This happened awhile back. Been thinking about it. Can't come up with anything conclusive, except maybe a chronograph error.

I was using a brand new Magneto Speed chronograph. I worked up a load to 3450 fps. A few months later, that same load chronographed at 3350. All prep work was the same. Loaded the same way. Environmental conditions were similar, although it was a bit warmer the second time. The powder was H1000, and while I think it was from the same lot (same can, even) I can't say for sure. There was never a hint of pressure issues, either time. I can't think of anything that would cause that much velocity loss, so I'm guessing the chronograph was reading different. It was set up exactly the same, also.

I've since ditched that particular load, but I'm curious about what may have caused it in case I run in to that again. I'd hate to think it was a brand new Magneto Speed. That would hinder my confidence in the unit moving forward.
Posted By: J.G.

Re: Same load. Different day. 100 fps difference. - 01/22/16 09:15 PM

What I've seen cause velocity changes:

Virgin brass vs. brass with a .002" bump to the shoulders.
Significant ambient temperature change.
Barrel that got 200-250 rounds down it.
New lot of powder.

So if you rule out all that, I say chronograph error. Cuz I got nuthin else.
Posted By: Sneaky

Re: Same load. Different day. 100 fps difference. - 01/22/16 09:25 PM

Brass was all fireformed and bumped back.
It was warmer the second go round, which is when the velocity dropped.
That's probably close on the round count, total, but no rounds were fired in between sessions.
This is a possibility. I should have made a note of this. I was thinking it came from the same lot, but I'm not positive.

With more use, I'll probably be able to figure out if it's the chronograph or not.
Posted By: J.G.

Re: Same load. Different day. 100 fps difference. - 01/22/16 10:49 PM

What is the chambering? The 250 mark, on the round count is where lots of them jump in speed. I presume .223 something?

Chronographs are cool, but nothing will give you true velocity like 400 yards and beyond. And there's way more than that in Winters, Texas. wink
Posted By: RiverRider

Re: Same load. Different day. 100 fps difference. - 01/22/16 11:32 PM

A couple more possibilities: a primer change? or maybe your scale was not performing the same for whatever reason...

A change in seating depth will can cause velocity to change also.
Posted By: Sneaky

Re: Same load. Different day. 100 fps difference. - 01/23/16 01:47 AM

Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
What is the chambering? The 250 mark, on the round count is where lots of them jump in speed. I presume .223 something?

Chronographs are cool, but nothing will give you true velocity like 400 yards and beyond. And there's way more than that in Winters, Texas. wink


It's the 7 STW.

Jump up in speed? Or down? This went down, and overnight.
Posted By: Sneaky

Re: Same load. Different day. 100 fps difference. - 01/23/16 01:49 AM

Originally Posted By: RiverRider
A couple more possibilities: a primer change? or maybe your scale was not performing the same for whatever reason...

A change in seating depth will can cause velocity to change also.


Primer was the same.

The scale is something I think could be a possibility. It's a GemPro 250. It seems like a good scale, and it gets good reviews, but maybe I didn't let it warm up properly, or something.

Seating depth was the same.
Posted By: J.G.

Re: Same load. Different day. 100 fps difference. - 01/23/16 02:32 PM

Originally Posted By: Sneaky
Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
What is the chambering? The 250 mark, on the round count is where lots of them jump in speed. I presume .223 something?

Chronographs are cool, but nothing will give you true velocity like 400 yards and beyond. And there's way more than that in Winters, Texas. wink


It's the 7 STW.

Jump up in speed? Or down? This went down, and overnight.


Once they get 250 round count the speeds go up. That is why I am thinking chronograph error. Or powder lot change.
Posted By: Sneaky

Re: Same load. Different day. 100 fps difference. - 01/23/16 03:38 PM

Probably so.
Posted By: Tactical Cowboy

Re: Same load. Different day. 100 fps difference. - 01/23/16 09:05 PM

I'm going to say chrono error. I've seen them read different speeds if they aren't set up properly or from differences in lighting.
Posted By: Sneaky

Re: Same load. Different day. 100 fps difference. - 01/23/16 09:38 PM

The thing about the Magneto Speed is that it doesn't require light. I won't rule out operator error, but I had it set up the same way each time and in accordance with instructions.
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