.224 Valkyrie

Is it the next big thing?

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.224 Valkyrie

Nothing special honestly. Just a little more powder then the rest.

I agree - nothing special

It's a 6.8 SPC necked down to .224" caliber. The 6.8 SPC round is one of the most powerful rounds in the AR 15 platform. Neck it down to .224", seat a heavy bullet on it, install a 7" twist barrel, and you have a fast little round. It's kind of like a mini 22-250 round.

90 grain has 166" less drop than a 77 grain .223 and about 60" less wind drift at 1000 yards....

I've been running a 6.5 Grendel and love it- BUT the Valkyrie has got my attention. maybe someday I will find a new upper that I can't live without.

It will be as popular as the Creedmoor.

I think dstroud had a a 6.8 necked down to 22 but it had a different name.

No, because much of the Creedmoors fame is bolt actions. There’s no reason to use this in a bolt action when you have the .22-250 right there, or for that matter, the 22 Creedmoor. Also, ammo will not be cheap for a long time, which is the draw to an AR in 5.56/.223.

I don't know how you compare it to the 22-250. This is built for 90 grain bullets and the 22-250 is built for 50 grain bullets unless you go custom.

Federal American Eagle 75 grain is .57/round, not too bad. I may have to build one of these uppers next.....

Go custom with a 1:7 twist barrel in the 22-250 or 22 Creedmoor and see what those heavy pills will do. Of course that would be reloaders only round or ammo from custom loaders like Chad. In my 1:8 twist 22-243 I did not see stabilization with Berger target 90gr bullets until I hit 3250 fps and it really needs more velocity for true stabilization in that 27 inch barrel

I could get there I think and might try it again some day

Go custom with a 1:7 twist barrel in the 22-250 or 22 Creedmoor and see what those heavy pills will do. Of course that would be reloaders only round or ammo from custom loaders like Chad. In my 1:8 twist 22-243 I did not see stabilization with Berger target 90gr bullets until I hit 3250 fps and it really needs more velocity for true stabilization in that 27 inch barrel

I could get there I think and might try it again some day

But this is on an AR-15 platform....any idea what barrel length will be needed for best performance?

I would not go short barrel with that round 20 min but most likely would get a 24, if you wand to chop it off alter Morgan would take care of that for you.

I'm gonna pick up a barrel as soon as there is a reasonably priced option. Give it a whirl.

It's not useful for bolt guns and not very useful as a hunting round. Not any lower recoil than the current alternatives.

It's a way to extend the range of an AR. Most people really aren't looking to increase ammo cost to make their AR shoot further than 223 will allow. 223 already gets people out further than their capability for the most part.

This new caliber isn't going to even sniff the popularity of the 6.5 creedmoor.

It will probably kill off the 22 Nosler but nor approach the popularity of the Creedmoor.

I will still take the Grendel over the Valkyrie any day, bigger bullets and more energy. Though I do like the fast heavier bullets in 224 diameter for hunting, my 22-243 with a 75gr Sirocco at 3500fps

1 inch high at 100
on at 200
4.8 low at 300
14 low at 400 with 1097 ft/lbs energy

So with that zero
300 come up in mils .4
400 1
500 1.6
600 2.3 still has 782 ft/lbs energy almost a 44 mag handgun at the muzzle

Not bad for a 22 with a good hunting bullet

It's an AR15 target round, not a hunting round. I'll stick with my 6.5 Grendel.

Some of the promotional stuff I have seen on it promoted it as a hunting round as well even saying a 100gr bullet will be released with it.

Federal 100gr Fusion bullet/load Don't think the fusion is a target bullet

LINK

Someone compared it to the Creedmoor?

Brace yourselves.....

Now we can’t even hunt with it?

I guess not. I thought a 90 grain Fusion sounded like something suitable for hunting deer but I'm not an expert.

Looks cool, but if I want to shoot long range with an AR, I'll just use my 7mm-08 version. I also think that barrel wear is going to be greatly increased.

They make new barrels every day.

It's silly to compare this to a 6.5 Creedmoor. 6.5 Creedmoor will not fit in am AR-15, and this .224 will never ve able to do what a 6.5 Creedmoor can do.

My bet is the 6.5 Grendel in an AR-15 will still go farther, wind drift less, and deliver more foot pounds on arrival. Of course you're going to have to look at it out to 1000 yards.

This cartridge does out perform the .223, no doubt about it. What the .223 has going for it is cost to shoot, though. There's so much .223 brass readily available I have to go pick up all of it that was left behind, on the ground, at my zero line today. Then it goes home, gets stainless tumbled, and dumped into the bucket with the rest of my range pick-up brass. If I were running a .224 Valkyrie, it is 100% certain I would have a brass catcher, and I would bet most people would do the same.

At 1000 yards the 123 gr. A-Max (6.5 Grendel) is at 1268 fps with 439 ft. Lbs., someone else will have to calculate the .224. P_102

224 Valkyrie vs. 22 Nosler vs. 6.5 Grendal

Federal is the driving force behind this new round, time will tell if it is a commercial success. There is something to the heavy 22 cal bullets but time will tell how it does commercially. I will not be helping it out as I already have guns I am happy with that fit what the Valkyrie can do.

I just said it will be as popular. I'm not saying its better.

I have lots of different caliber AR's including wildcats but not a 6.5 Grendal so I am interested in one or the other. I have a 6.5 Creedmoor in an AR-10 but it is heavy and a Creedmoor bolt gun, but it is not an AR......

Very easily. The 224 Valkyrie is almost a 22-250 case, just slightly shorter to fit in the AR-15 platform. The difference in max COAL length between the 2 rounds is only .090" (2.350"-2.260").

Put a 90 grain Berger VLD or SMK in a 22-250 with about 32-35 grains of powder, and it runs 3000-3050 fps in a 24" barrel. Take the Valkyrie and load it to 2.260" with a 90 grain bullet with about 29-33 grains powder with the same exact 90 grain bullet to speeds, claimed of, 2700 fps in a 24" AR-15 barrel. It's a really close copy to the 22-250 round, just slightly compact to fit in the AR-15 platform. Put the Valkyrie in a bolt gun, and you will gain about 100-120 fps, since there is no gas wasted cycling the action. That puts the velocity about 2800+ fps, which is within reach of the 22-250 in a more compact round. Bingo!

His energy chart is horribly incorrect. Wonder how far off his others are.

^^ That's generally the case

AR15 Performance has been making one like this for a while, called a 5.56x42. Wildcat based on the 6.8 brass, apx 200fps faster than a 5.56. 75-80gr bullets run 3000-3100 out of a 20" barrel.

Yeah I was looking at their stuff again today. Forgot how many cool wildcats they have.

Haven't checked them out in a long time, lots of good stuff there. I did not realize the .30 Herrett could now be formed from 6.8 brass, might have to do this one! Used to be a PITA to make that brass for the TC Contender but it can be loaded hotter for an AR rifle making a decent hog and deer gun.

I would love to see how they make an actual 30 Herrett from 6.8 brass. Might can make a round with the same case capacity but How are they getting the rim on a rimless piece of brass? The 30 and 357 Herrett are great Contender cartridges but you are correct they are a pain to make the brass for

According to what I have read it makes a rimless 30 Herrett which headspaces on the shoulder.....brass lasts longer this way.

You just proved my point. I said unless you go custom. Most of the factory rifles out there are 1-14 twist and almost all the factory ammo are 55 grains and under. The Valkyrie is being designed for heavy bullets just like the 22-250 was designed for light bullets when it came out.

Good video.

I'd like to see more of his findings.

I have been using the 22DTi for about 7 years which is the 6.8SPC necked to 22 with a 30degreeshoulder
First with a 1/12 then a 1/8 for the heavies. With a 80.5 Berger 3000 fps was possible.
Mike Milli with Dedicated Technology makes 22 to 6.5 rounds off the 6.8case for the AR platform and has Hornady dies to match his reamers. I have all but the 6.5...... really to be honest the 25 caliber is the most efficient with the shorter barrel ex. With An 18 inch it will closely duplicate 250 Savage pushing a 90gr Sierra GameKing over 3000fps and will hammer deer and pigs

The 25DTI sounds good, are there any barrels available?

I just like seeing the .22-250 being the hallmark here

Have their TAC 6 on the way. 6mm in a 6.8 case

They're onto something right there.

We will see. In 18" barrel 70gr should hit near 3, 000 95gr 2,850-2,900 and 105s around 2,650. Neck turning is not required

95's and 105's is what I had in mind. That's pretty salty out of an AR-15!

Agreed!!

Any idea if you'll offer as a complete upper in the near future?

That would be a great kids deer gun. Collapsible stock, no recoil, 95 SST, 4-12 VXR illuminated Firedot, perfect.

Being it's a wildcat probably not but lets see how this one goes.

A bullet that long and heavy in a .22 is pretty interesting. What kind of BC’s do those things have?

.504 on the 90 gr Sierra Matchking

Not bad. Sounds like a pretty neat round in an AR.

Those things cost a fortune too. Twice the price of a Hornady 75 Match BTHP.

Yes he chambers only Shilen Select Match barrels or just the completed upper which is what most folks get.

80gr eld has the same bc as the 90gr sierra........ The 90gr Berger is the king of the 224 heavies. It's bc is .531g1/.272g7.

So many choices for a new build! If I can find my old 30 Herrett dies I may build an upper for deer and hogs out to 300 next. I need to go shoot some of the uppers I built before, haven't messed with this stuff for a couple years. While cleaning up the gun bench looking for the Herrett dies I realized that I have 30 WSSM, 338 Spectre and 6mmx45 uppers to shoot

Savage has released a rifle on their website.

https://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/MSR15Valkyrie

I'm on one

Best barrel price including bolt is 280 so far I’ve ran across

Got some numbers from a guy already loading for the ARP TAC 6. Berger 105 VLD at 2730 fps

That'll do!

I would like to see how fast you can sling 55g VMAX out of an 18" barrel for predators

It’s looking like a Little Monster for moderate to long range paper punching and perhaps competition but i wouldn’t hunt pigs with 90 grain Fusion ...

What's your reason? I've killed many pigs with the 62 grain Fusion.

I prefer heavier weight Fusion bullets

Although it does appear the 90 grain Fusion performed well for this guys hunt

Buck at 65 yards

https://www.ar15.com/forums/Industry/MAC-gets-first-buck-with-Larue-in-224-Valkyrie/219-286168/

Just ordered an upper and some ammo. We shall see.

http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-18-ri...-516447591.html

I would love one in a bolt gun maybe a re-barrel is coming my way

UPS man came today.

What barrel length did you get on the upper?

18"

You'll have to crony. Very interested in velocities from that barrel length.

Id there any reason one wouldn't build a bolt gun in the Valkryie? Or is it exclusively foe the AR. I'm not an AR fan over the bolt.

I see no reason. If you want a hot .22, build a .22-250 or a .22 Creedmoor. This is strictly trying to push the AR-15 platform performance in .22 caliber.

Buzz - If I wanted a fast 22 in a bolt gun I wouldn't go with the Valkyrie. I'd go with a 1:7 or 1:8 twist 22-250 or a 22 creedmoor. Shoot 75s or 80s and have all the fun you'd want

+1

Thanks guys!!

Wilson Combat?

No. Didn't know they were making one. It's a PSA, not certain on the manufacturer. Prolly get a McGowen if this round works out.

I would buy a bolt. The Valkrie brings efficiency (less powder, good velocity and probably a longer barrel life). I'm not a huge fan of overbore cartridges.

I would like to see some velocity’s from the 224 Valkyrie i have built a 224 predator from ARP which is a Grendel necked down only done one load so far 62gr Barnes tsx with some 8208xbr going just about 3400fps

Anybody got updates, chrono results?

Sounds like a fun little round. What’s the barrel life gonna be?

Mossberg is producing their chassis bolt rifle in 224 Valkyrie. I expect others to follow.

https://www.outdoorhub.com/news/2018/02/...s-224-valkyrie/

I just found the answer to my question. Below is barrel length and Valkyrie.

https://rifleshooter.com/2018/02/224-valkyrie-effect-of-barrel-length-on-velocity/

My 20" Valkyrie 1:7 barrel has arrived! I have no idea when I will get it built, much less shoot it. Have not even looked for the dies yet

not so,there are 22-250's with a 1-9 twist shoot heavier bullets.

I have a 1:8 Tikka.

Does the 22-250 fit in an AR15? I feelb you are debating something that is not relevant. My most recent post was a showing an article where they cut the barrel to show velocity at different barrel lengths.

Brass in stock.......
https://www.starlinebrass.com/brass-case...order_now_36175

Thanks for the link. Enjoy these bbl length tests. Short barrel bolt gun for the 90gr, low-recoil, long range round is on the wish list.

http://www.ar15performance.com/inc/sdetail/38016/53403

1:6.5 twist barrels for sale here - I shoot a 6.5 Grendel from this company and it’s very dependable...