that 15 yard test

man, next time you will want the plates at a steep angle pointing down. But ideally if you want to see the performance at that distance (there are legit reasons) you can make ballistic gel block to capture the impact and deconstruction a bit safer.

hope you are well.

We are all well. We are going to complete the test. No angled plates. Going to shoot them square like before. Only this time I think we will use a lead sled as a remote firing position.

Good idea, do it like myth busters do.

It's always a good idea to not angle the static plates, good luck with your test

Im waiting on the AR500 results. My swinging 550 gong dimpled at 75 yds with a 40 grain vmax out of a 24" .223

Use thicker plywood since we all know wood stops bullets very well.

I don't recall ever seeing a static plate that wasn't angled down.

***ETA*** from multiple different target companies:
"It also means that the target face needs to be flat and smooth and that the angle needs to be downward to direct fragments away from the shooter."

"Our 3/8" Angled AR500 Steel Static Targets are laser cut from high quality domestic plate. Angled steel targets can help direct splatter and bullet fragments downward and reduces energy subjected to target."

"AS with all of our Target platforms the Full Hostage has a natural 15 degrgee forward angle to direct richochets donward into the ground"

I knew someone was going to take you serious.

That bullet is way too fast for armor steel, that close. 3200 fps MV is rule of thumb. High energy does not hurt them, high speed does.

When I've had clients want to get DOPE on .224" cartridges, I put clays on the berm at 200 yards, otherwise it'll dimple my AR 500.

Pretty sure this about sums it up thus far. We had complete penetraton on the 1/4" at a mv of 3150, but nothing really but a very light mark with the 77g smk at 2990fps.

This was part of the reason of the test.

There are several parts that intend to test other than that though.

Also, to answer another poster. There is some mathematical formula that gives a percentage of energy lost per degree of angle. I don't want to leave anything to guessing which is why I am shooting it square.

The jacket separation was due to full penetraton of the 3/8" mild steel and the thicker jacket construction of the target style bullet. It basically peeled the jacket from.the core, flipped it inside and created a lightweight, high velocity projectile in reverse.

Had that jacket been another inch to the right, it would have gone right back down the bore.

I also have no doubt that if that jacket would have struck the 3/4" plywood it would have stopped it.

Regardless, the testing will be completed, albeit with largely different testing protocols in place so we don't repeat the previous.

Ultimately, besides everyone seeing the fallacy of it, in the end I believe there will be some questions answered as far as external ballistics vs steel of a given composition.

I have some hay baling twine that I can send you, should be good for several thousand trigger tugs. Hate to think I could contribute to science and did nothing.

Lol. Thanks. I think I've got the trigger pulling contraption figured out though.

Yup. A little safety protocol goes a long way.

Before you two start testing again, will you both sign life insurance policies where I am the beneficiary?

Sure man, just come out and video.

I don't think there's a camera with enough zoom to video at a safe distance from that setup. I'll have to pass.

I'm a very serious guy

Seriously though I'll be watching for the results of this test on the local news

Are you fellas related to the great and magnificent Spyros? Just curious.

Some people remind me of junior high. When everyone would pile on a few select kids all the time hoping they would never be one of those kids.

Is anyone else as confused by this thread as I am????

Probably, but I can give you a rundown. Two of my buddies bought some steel plates in various composition and thickness to do a video on private land. The goal was to see what caliber would penetrate what steel at what distance. They used minimal safety procedures and the result was one of them taking a ricochet to the face. They posted the video and a few fellow THF members twisted off pretty good. My buddy had a few glasses of rum and coke and decided to twist off in return. It got pretty ugly and the thread was locked. Now my buddies are going to finish their experiment with better safety precautions. That's it.

so us criticizing him finally got through that hard head and they are going to take some more precautions next time. Good deal

I'm pretty sure the copper jacket to the cheek bone influenced their decision for extra safety. That dude was ugly to begin with though. Now he just looks more like Jose Aldo.

Just to clarify, no ones opinion here, or anywhere else influenced anything in future tests. It would be blatantly stupid if we went back out and performed the same scenario without altering safety precautions. The reason I even posted it up for people to see was to learn from our mistakes and to realize how much damage a 20g piece of jacket can actually do. Thats why the video was labeled as it was. I have repeated this countless times. What pisses me off is the "bandwagon" reaction. That horse has been beaten beneath the ground. For people on here to act "Holier than thou" and get on their soap box and preach like they live a perfect, spotless life, and to judge someone as less than them, or dumb or whatever, just makes my blood boil.

Aside from that, the second after he was hit I was ready to shut the whole thing down. We decided to complete it. We will...next weekend with a different setup.

After reading the locked thread, the video proves this is a really stupid thing to do with a rifle at 15 yards.

Don't understand why you would want to do it again. There is nothing scientific about stupid.

I agree, the muzzle velocity chronoed at 3425 fps. Its amazing what a tiny pill at high velocity can do. The 300 BLK just splatters like a handgun round.

What's with this 15 yard crap? I''d like video of the steel touching the muzzle. That's the true 'volocity at the muzzle'.

A man can definitely get some holier than thou replies on here.

I'm not holier than anybody, I just know a stupid idea when I hear it. I think that's where the criticism is coming from...

"Hey let's go videotape ourselves playing with that alligator"

"We should take a video of you running across that highway"

"What if we taped an episode of us shooting static mild steel at 15 yards with a rifle behind some particle board"


^all things I would've chosen not to do beforehand

Your such a cool guy... Maybe one day I can be as awesome as you are. Now go find another thread to spew your bullsht in.

Lighten up Francis it's not my fault you showed us all your dumb idea

And they plan to continue filming it.

x1000.

Someone posts a video of themselves doing one of the most idiotic things any of us have ever seen with a FIREARM and then gets butthurt about the comments.

No reason not to try to disprove a myth, stretch the functionality of something, take a scientific approach to "what if I" or even to see how different ammo/ steel reacts in different situations. "BUT" never check your brain/commonsense at the door. Always make safety a priority in everything you do, especially if you have a family. Ultimately someone is depending on you to come back home.

You win the internet for today!!

Here's the deal.

Anyone that shoots steel targets....a lot, will eventually have jacket come back at them. It's just the nature of the game.

Regardless, when we went into it we knew we were chancing it. It wouldn't have mattered if our barricade was made out of 1 inch ar500, because the jacket bridged a gap between rifle and barricade of about 1/2".

Sometimes [censored] happens. I've been scarred by lots of things in life. Some out of stupidity/arrogance and some just straight chance.

This one was just chance. It happens.

It saddens me that there are so many people on here that are type A fudds.

In actuality, I am probably one of the people that you would want to have on you side. We made mistakes, we are correcting that. No matter how many times that has been stated it apparently goes un-noticed.

I, we, are going to finish the test. We have different protocols for the test although it falls on deaf ears. If anyone is interested in witnessing what rifles will shoot through a given piece of steel just visit my youtube page. For all of you that just want to puff out your chests with your perfection, just ignore this post.

Thanks

Ain't the internet great? A bunch of clowns that probably call themselves Christians that love to judge others from the safety of their keyboards. They pick and choose the parts of the bible they want to live by, and ignore the parts that aren't convenient. Judge not lest ye be judged yourself? Nope. That one don't count. It's too much fun to make comments on the THF that they'd never say to your face. Don't let the sinners get you worked up brother.

I would shoot next to Clint any day of the week long as the target isn't 15 yards lol. I do not think he GAF what some folks think and I like it

We have shot together, and you won. Lol. Sometimes life is like that. Glad to know people like you and Jerms.

Just like a Baptist on a boat with a cooler full of beers on a sunday. Lol

FIFY. I am thinking I may cook this next one lol. I need to find some gold medal match cheaper than $145 or wifey is going to have a chit fit. Shut up Kyle... I now your snickering in Hawaii lol

There is a few select others that we know that can be proud to be Texans. I think I've got one hand that I'm counting on unfortunately.

You... Stay out of my GD cooler.

Hey bro, I brought my own faux yeti last match. Lol

...says the kettle to the pot.

Thanks JG, although we will never agree on bushnell optics.

Kettle who?

Oh, you must be that guy....

Spelled RTIC lol.

No man, spelled Engel.

I'm still gonna call it a yeti minus the sticker.

To rich for me. I am a poor man with poor man ways Clint...

Guess that didn't work

I don't wanna hear it man. You got no excuses. I think you came in 2nd last match right?

Turd. I was third behind Fitz and princess. I will not do well at the long range but you cant be scared your whole life right?

Your solid man. You did good. Don't doubt yourself, and never, ever shoot mild steel at 15 yards with a 6.5 creedmoor. Lol

Third is still better than the majority my friend. You did good.

LMAO. You need to spend an evening up here lol.

I wanted princesses spot bad lol. I still get a kick out of them telling pops he should have shot that last one on KYL. I told him the damn thing was on point

To hell with Kyl prone.

And along comes the sausage party...

Lol

Plenty of guys on here know me, they can attest that I would most definitely give you hell about this in person too

Truthfully I don't think the other thread would have gotten so out of control if you hadn't responded to criticism the way you did initially calling names and whatnot. At the end of the day it's yalls life, limbs, and eye sight so do what you want with it.

Doing something questionable is one thing, we have all done questionable things before but I don't post them for the world to see unless I am prepared for the back lash. The problem is in this day and time, almost everything is posted on the internet where everyone can see it. And then someone comments on it good and bad. And then the poster starts defending himself. And before you know it this is what you get and everyone is surprised?


“It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt”

― Mark Twain

I can attest to the fact that he will ride you like a shetland pony.