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I have a couple questions for a gun smith

Posted By: johnboy91

I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/22/16 06:03 PM

I recently got a stoeger longfowler sxs shoots 3in is it possible to polish or ream the barrel to shoot 3 1/2?
Posted By: maximus_flavius

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/22/16 06:17 PM

Possible, probably not. Practical or safe, no.

3" is fine. Get good 3" shells & don't worry about it.
Posted By: johnboy91

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/22/16 06:36 PM

What about polishing so the shells slide out easily after shooting?
Posted By: charlesb

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/22/16 07:44 PM

Bad idea. If you want a 3 1/2" gun, get a 3 1/2" gun.

Sell the gun that you have to someone who will appreciate it.
Posted By: johnboy91

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/22/16 08:30 PM

There are no double barrel sxs that shoot 3.5 or I'd have it I've checked this is the problem
Posted By: charlesb

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/22/16 09:30 PM

Maybe there's a good reason for that.

So - get something besides a SxS, if you've just gotta shoot 3.5's.

Several folks here have given you good advice. - Take it or leave it.
Posted By: TDK

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/22/16 09:38 PM

No, just no.

Polishing the chamber won't have much effect on extraction regarding shotguns.
Posted By: blackcoal

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/22/16 09:42 PM

Hold my beer !!!

Would be interesting to see both barrels fire at the same time. nuts
Posted By: johnboy91

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/22/16 10:10 PM

Originally Posted By: charlesb
Maybe there's a good reason for that.

So - get something besides a SxS, if you've just gotta shoot 3.5's.

Several folks here have given you good advice. - Take it or leave it.


What's the good reason? They make an o/u that shoots 3.5?
Posted By: johnboy91

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/22/16 10:12 PM

Originally Posted By: TDK
No, just no.

Polishing the chamber won't have much effect on extraction regarding shotguns.


I just read online people who shot comp with double barrels do that for easier extraction all my questions are actually valid questions I don't understand the smart responses...
Posted By: TDK

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/22/16 10:49 PM

Not all double guns are created equal. You have differences between quality of the steel, heat treatment or lack thereof, differences in wall thickness of the barrels in certain areas, weight differences, different types and numbers of locking mechanisms, different levels of fitting between the action and barrels that may or may not keep them on-face longer, so on.

I'm sorry, but a Stoeger just isn't a gun I would take chances with. If you want a double that shoots 3 1/2" shells save up for a Citori or Cynergy that is already built to take the additional pressure, case thrust, and recoil forces. Not to mention lengthening the chambers in a gun will void any warranty, so now your pushing limits and have relinquished any liability and warranty given with a modern gun.

I agree with people above, 3 1/2" shells just aren't necessary when you can get quality 3" shells.

Polishing the chamber to a high degree will have a barely noticeable difference on extraction when dealing with slippery plastic hulls. Rifle cases which also deal with more expansion and contraction is where you'll see a difference. If you are having extraction issues there is something else at play.
Posted By: TDK

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/22/16 10:54 PM

Here's what can happen when you do things that shouldn't be.
Posted By: TDK

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/22/16 10:58 PM

If you are determined for more power, get a 10ga SxS
Posted By: johnboy91

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/22/16 11:05 PM

Originally Posted By: TDK
Not all double guns are created equal. You have differences between quality of the steel, heat treatment or lack thereof, differences in wall thickness of the barrels in certain areas, weight differences, different types and numbers of locking mechanisms, different levels of fitting between the action and barrels that may or may not keep them on-face longer, so on.

I'm sorry, but a Stoeger just isn't a gun I would take chances with. If you want a double that shoots 3 1/2" shells save up for a Citori or Cynergy that is already built to take the additional pressure, case thrust, and recoil forces. Not to mention lengthening the chambers in a gun will void any warranty, so now your pushing limits and have relinquished any liability and warranty given with a modern gun.

I agree with people above, 3 1/2" shells just aren't necessary when you can get quality 3" shells.

Polishing the chamber to a high degree will have a barely noticeable difference on extraction when dealing with slippery plastic hulls. Rifle cases which also deal with more expansion and contraction is where you'll see a difference. If you are having extraction issues there is something else at play.



Thank for the info I appreciate it
Posted By: johnboy91

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/22/16 11:05 PM

Thank you for the info tdk I appreciate it
Posted By: sunsetroosters

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/22/16 11:22 PM

3.5" shells arent necessary??? hmmm id like to hear you tell that to my buddy that is a goose guide... charlesb your comment about a bunch of good advice was after one person other than your self made a comment... i dont know why people on here want to act so arrogant like their crap dont stink sometimes.
Posted By: TDK

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/23/16 12:09 AM

And yet somehow people kill geese with sub gauges. I question the ethical hunting practices of anyone who claims a 3 1/2" shell is an ABSOLUTE necessity for anything but maybe Sandhills cranes. Even then o know people who hunt them with sub gauges at close ranges. Maybe not take long shots!

Someone comes and asks a gunsmith about a question regarding double guns, I answer it based off my knowledge coming from being one of the few people in the USA capable of building doubles from scratch, then get called arrogant in the process because you disagree or don't like my advice. Whatever...

Posted By: tx hunter

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/23/16 12:20 AM

popcorn
Posted By: kmon11

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/23/16 12:23 AM

I will respect TDK's information on SXS guns any day.

As for 3.5 inch being that much better than 3 inch or even 2 3/4 inch shells the only time I see that as being the case is if you are shooting long range at geese or sandhill cranes. It should not take but a few shells to fill out a limit on any waterfowl except snow geese. For sandhill crane I like the heavy shot turkey loads #6 works well breaking their neck just like it does for turkey necks. Speaking of heavy shot, when I was goose hunting a lot the 2 3/4 #2s were just as effective or more so than the 3.5 inch steel BBs or BBBs. Just observations of my experience hunting geese. Oh if one is sky busting they are not hunting IMO, your mileage may vary
Posted By: Paulhall

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/23/16 12:50 AM

I don't know why anyone would ever buy a gun that they wouldn't love and appreciate the way that it is. It saddens me that a new gun would be neglected and abused by an ungrateful owner.
Posted By: J.G.

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/23/16 12:56 AM

http://www.fieldandstream.com/articles/hunting/2013/08/truth-about-shogun-ammo
Posted By: charlesb

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/23/16 01:04 AM

Originally Posted By: johnboy91
Originally Posted By: TDK
No, just no.

Polishing the chamber won't have much effect on extraction regarding shotguns.


I just read online people who shot comp with double barrels do that for easier extraction all my questions are actually valid questions I don't understand the smart responses...


If you've got to have dumb responses, then you'll just have to ask somewhere else.
Posted By: tx hunter

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/23/16 01:09 AM

Originally Posted By: charlesb
Originally Posted By: johnboy91
Originally Posted By: TDK
No, just no.

Polishing the chamber won't have much effect on extraction regarding shotguns.


I just read online people who shot comp with double barrels do that for easier extraction all my questions are actually valid questions I don't understand the smart responses...


If you've got to have dumb responses, then you'll just have to ask somewhere else.


Really?? The dude was just asking questions.
Posted By: johnboy91

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/23/16 01:29 AM

The response were more sarcastic then informational and what did I do to deserve that? Ask questions? If it puts you in such a crap mood to answer the just simply don't reply that simple....I was here for information not a pissing contest!
Posted By: ImTheReasonDovesMourn

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/23/16 01:31 AM

Originally Posted By: johnboy91
The response were more sarcastic then informational and what did I do to deserve that? Ask questions? If it puts you in such a crap mood to answer the just simply don't reply that simple....I was here for information not a pissing contest!


Don't sweat it brother man. I'm sure you wanted the opinion of a real gunsmith anyway.
Posted By: johnboy91

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/23/16 01:33 AM

Originally Posted By: ImTheReasonDovesMourn
Originally Posted By: johnboy91
The response were more sarcastic then informational and what did I do to deserve that? Ask questions? If it puts you in such a crap mood to answer the just simply don't reply that simple....I was here for information not a pissing contest!


Don't sweat it brother man. I'm sure you wanted the opinion of a real gunsmith anyway.


Next time I'll just have to ask if not a gun smith please don't comment
Posted By: Paulhall

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/23/16 01:35 AM

I'll ream out the chamber to a 3.5 inch because that alpine gunsmith guy is to much of a p***y to do it.
Posted By: Brother in-law

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/23/16 01:35 AM

Originally Posted By: ImTheReasonDovesMourn
Originally Posted By: johnboy91
The response were more sarcastic then informational and what did I do to deserve that? Ask questions? If it puts you in such a crap mood to answer the just simply don't reply that simple....I was here for information not a pissing contest!


Don't sweat it brother man. I'm sure you wanted the opinion of a real gunsmith anyway.


Word
Posted By: TDK

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/23/16 01:37 AM

I have no affiliation with alpine, but calling someone a [censored] who won't do work with a ton of liability attached to it is borderline idiotic.
Posted By: johnboy91

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/23/16 01:37 AM

And not sure if it's good for business representing a company and acting stuck up charlesb
Posted By: johnboy91

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/23/16 01:39 AM

Originally Posted By: TDK
I have no affiliation with alpine, but calling someone a [censored] who won't do work with a ton of liability attached to it is borderline idiotic.


Who called someone a p****
Posted By: Paulhall

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/23/16 01:39 AM

I'm sure a modern 12 gauge barrel can handle the case pressure of a 3.5 inch.
Posted By: johnboy91

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/23/16 01:41 AM

Like i said I was just looking for info thanks for all the input ✌🏻️
Posted By: J.G.

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/23/16 01:42 AM

Originally Posted By: johnboy91
And not sure if it's good for business representing a company and acting stuck up charlesb


His M.O.
Posted By: TDK

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/23/16 01:42 AM

Youre removing wall thickness in a place where pressure is the highest. Not worth it.
Posted By: Paulhall

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/23/16 01:43 AM

I'll even chamber it to shoot 4 inch shells.
Posted By: johnboy91

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/23/16 01:44 AM

Originally Posted By: TDK
Youre removing wall thickness in a place where pressure is the highest. Not worth it.


Appreciate tdk I'll leave it alone
Posted By: johnboy91

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/23/16 01:44 AM

Originally Posted By: Anthonybroom
I'll even chamber it to shoot 4 inch shells.


4in? Lol
Posted By: TDK

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/23/16 01:45 AM

Originally Posted By: Anthonybroom
I'll even chamber it to shoot 4 inch shells.


I've got an 8 bore reamer you can borrow. If you're going to do it do it right. Reamer rental is $150 with a $400 deposit.
Posted By: Paulhall

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/23/16 01:46 AM

That's a good idea. I'll get a super tight pattern.
Posted By: Mickey Moose

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/23/16 11:08 PM

Originally Posted By: Anthonybroom
I don't know why anyone would ever buy a gun that they wouldn't love and appreciate the way that it is. It saddens me that a new gun would be neglected and abused by an ungrateful owner.

#GunLivesMatter
Posted By: sunsetroosters

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/24/16 05:11 PM

Originally Posted By: TDK
And yet somehow people kill geese with sub gauges. I question the ethical hunting practices of anyone who claims a 3 1/2" shell is an ABSOLUTE necessity for anything but maybe Sandhills cranes. Even then o know people who hunt them with sub gauges at close ranges. Maybe not take long shots!

Someone comes and asks a gunsmith about a question regarding double guns, I answer it based off my knowledge coming from being one of the few people in the USA capable of building doubles from scratch, then get called arrogant in the process because you disagree or don't like my advice. Whatever...



tdk although some of your remarks where kinda sarcastic, i was referring to that chump charlesb as being arrogant. if i was talking about you i would have listed your name. i dont call indirect shots. when i call it, youll know it
Posted By: TDK

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/24/16 06:22 PM

Originally Posted By: sunsetroosters
3.5" shells arent necessary??? hmmm id like to hear you tell that to my buddy that is a goose guide... charlesb your comment about a bunch of good advice was after one person other than your self made a comment... i dont know why people on here want to act so arrogant like their crap dont stink sometimes.


This is what you said.

I'm the only person that used the word "necessary", therefor it's easy to interpret you were referring to me.
Likewise your use of "people" in your last sentence is plural. You'd think if you were referring to one person you would use their name directly as you so pointed out.
Posted By: johnboy91

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/24/16 11:03 PM

Originally Posted By: TDK
Originally Posted By: sunsetroosters
3.5" shells arent necessary??? hmmm id like to hear you tell that to my buddy that is a goose guide... charlesb your comment about a bunch of good advice was after one person other than your self made a comment... i dont know why people on here want to act so arrogant like their crap dont stink sometimes.


This is what you said.

I'm the only person that used the word "necessary", therefor it's easy to interpret you were referring to me.
Likewise your use of "people" in your last sentence is plural. You'd think if you were referring to one person you would use their name directly as you so pointed out.


Grammar lessons with TDK! The world is a better place now!
Posted By: sunsetroosters

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/24/16 11:14 PM

Do we have a grammar forum here on the thf. We might need to open one. [spoiler][/spoiler]
Posted By: charlesb

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/25/16 12:03 AM

Originally Posted By: tx hunter
Originally Posted By: charlesb
Originally Posted By: johnboy91
Originally Posted By: TDK
No, just no.

Polishing the chamber won't have much effect on extraction regarding shotguns.


I just read online people who shot comp with double barrels do that for easier extraction all my questions are actually valid questions I don't understand the smart responses...


If you've got to have dumb responses, then you'll just have to ask somewhere else.


Really?? The dude was just asking questions.


Part of the deal on asking questions is to pay attention to the answers. The fellow received good advice from several folks here - but it wasn't what he wanted to hear, and he decided that he would rather whine at that point. - I do not have much time or patience for disrespectful whiners.

Maybe one of these real intelligent and civilized folks here who have been spewing ignorant venom can help him out. - I'm sure that he can depend upon them to fix him right up.
Posted By: tx hunter

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/25/16 02:07 AM

Originally Posted By: charlesb
Part of the deal on asking questions is to pay attention to the answers. The fellow received good advice from several folks here - but it wasn't what he wanted to hear, and he decided that he would rather whine at that point. - I do not have much time or patience for disrespectful whiners.

Maybe one of these real intelligent and civilized folks here who have been spewing ignorant venom can help him out. - I'm sure that he can depend upon them to fix him right up.


Again, he was asking questions. At no point did he ever come across as a "disrespectful whiner". You never offered any insight regarding the subject in question. The only one to do that was TDK.
Posted By: johnboy91

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/25/16 02:43 AM

Lol I whined by asking more questions? I told tdk thanks for the advice and that I wasn't going to to do anything. And if you have no time for ignorance or whining why are you still posting on this? Definitely since the only one one with any real useful information was tdk all you did was be a smart arse keep on moving with your garbage man
Posted By: johnboy91

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/25/16 02:44 AM

Are you even a gun smith? I see you have it as your tag but I call bs and if you are you definitely need help with your people skills
Posted By: sunsetroosters

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/25/16 02:50 AM

i like the way that charlesb thinks its ok to talk to people. i remember the last time someone talked like that to me in person.... no worries bro ;P you go h.a.m. on the keyboard
Posted By: sunsetroosters

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/25/16 02:51 AM

im probably in for a grammer lesson on my typing...
Posted By: sunsetroosters

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/25/16 02:52 AM

btw i sold a gun today to a real nice guy from the forum... thanks thf. sure is nice when you find a few good folks on here lol
Posted By: johnboy91

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/25/16 02:55 AM

Well I'll be looking up the owner of alpines number tomorrow
Posted By: johnboy91

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/25/16 03:10 AM

Lmao Charles do you work out of your house...Charles Brabham 8177687534 give him a shout for all your gun smithing needs I'm sure he will treat you with fantastic customer service! There's a plug for you for free you Basic Brian
Posted By: booradley

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/25/16 07:33 PM

I've had some serious disagreements with charlesb johnboy. That being said I'd bet he's forgotten more about firearms than you know. And if I remember correctly there was a post within the past week where a member used his services and posted how satisfied they were.

http://texashuntingforum.com/forum/ubbth...ith#Post6411178
Posted By: johnboy91

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/26/16 10:11 AM

Originally Posted By: booradley
I've had some serious disagreements with charlesb johnboy. That being said I'd bet he's forgotten more about firearms than you know. And if I remember correctly there was a post within the past week where a member used his services and posted how satisfied they were.

http://texashuntingforum.com/forum/ubbth...ith#Post6411178


I honestly don't care! That give him the right to act like a prick?

And did they have to pay with there pride because I'm guessing they did
Posted By: charlesb

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/26/16 11:08 AM

I own and moderate several websites, and have been doing so since websites have existed. Before that, I ran a 1200 baud Wildcat bulletin board. As can be easily seen at my gunsmithing website, I also roll my own HTML.

Consequently, I know the difference between a person asking a question because they want to learn - and a Troll, trying to stir up online controversy and trouble. - Like we have here.



Don't be a sucker for a Troll - they are most definitely not worth it, and they are not good for the websites that they infest.

Some of us are easily suckered by Trolls... I am not one of those. On my websites, they tend to disappear rather abruptly.
Posted By: topwater13

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/26/16 11:35 AM

What's h.a.m? Is that some new hunting/gun lingo? Or the urban ebonics I despise?
Posted By: charlesb

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/26/16 11:52 AM

Originally Posted By: sunsetroosters
im probably in for a grammer lesson on my typing...


With me, it is the spelling. I am dyslexic, so I am just as liable to type "taem" as I am to correctly type "team". Spell-checkers help, but they do not always recognize a mistake, if your mistake looks like another word.

I write a lot of technical articles, and some fiction. - I probably spend twice as much time checking my work as I do with writing something new.
Posted By: Tactical Cowboy

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/26/16 01:39 PM

So... 4 people told you it was a bad idea, and you're still upset because Charlesb told you to buy a 3.5" gun?
Posted By: booradley

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/27/16 02:11 AM

WARNING:

"YOU MUST BE SMARTER THAN WHAT YOU ARE ATTEMPTING TO OPERATE."

or.....


Posted By: TFF Caribou

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/27/16 11:37 AM

Originally Posted By: topwater13
What's h.a.m? Is that some new hunting/gun lingo? Or the urban ebonics I despise?


Hard as a mother*****
Posted By: charlesb

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/27/16 04:44 PM

That's what she said last night. (Old machinists joke, that fits all kind of commonly said things around the shop.)

"It's about three thousandths undersize."

"It doesn't look like it's going to fit."

"Turn up the speed a little."

"You're trying to put it in the wrong hole."

"Give it a few squirts of motor oil."

etc. etc..
Posted By: booradley

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/27/16 04:59 PM

Posted By: johnboy91

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/27/16 05:14 PM

Originally Posted By: Tactical Cowboy
So... 4 people told you it was a bad idea, and you're still upset because Charlesb told you to buy a 3.5" gun?


Learn to read...I've clearly said twice that I was leaving the gun alone thanks to tdk' advice charlesb is a complete moron who thinks that he is some kind of gun God and if you ask more questions into his answers your being irrational...
Posted By: johnboy91

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/27/16 05:17 PM

Also I have guns that shoot 3.5 y'all guys should really read the comments before running your mouths and charlesb thanks for all your magical wisdom I live in Saginaw hit me up if you are out this way some time id like you to look at the gun
Posted By: Tactical Cowboy

Re: I have a couple questions for a gun smith - 08/27/16 10:37 PM

Lighten up dude. It'll be ok.
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