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Howa Grendel
Posted By: kmon11
Howa Grendel - 12/31/15 05:13 AM
From another site from LSI Legacy Sports International rep. Of course the prices listed are suggested retail
The YOTE pattern is the only flavor in the predator hunting genre right now, Which will be available to some distributors and special orders. Current Stock colors are; Black, Green, Kryptek Highlander and Multicam. As soon as we get git in a steady supply of all proposed calibers we will more than likely be looking into different stocks. A couple of members have proposed modifying current stocks but im sorry its just not that easy. We have to pay a large chunk of money to have a new mold developed to any manufacturer and then test and modify. We do it right from the start, a ground up made to fit stock. Stocks arent something you can just modify to work and expect 100% perfect results. Bare with us, as these gain popularity there will be more stocks/mounts/bottom metals available. These are still in their infancy but the future looks VERY bright.
yes the prices are the same.
rifle only-
Catalog # Caliber/Description Barrel Length & Contour Magazine Capacity Stock Color Length of Pull Overall Length Weight MSRP
HMA30602+ 6.5 Grendel 20” #1 5+1 BLACK 13.87” 39.5” 5.7 lbs $652.00
HMA30603+ 6.5 Grendel 20” #1 5+1 GREEN 13.87” 39.5” 5.7 lbs $652.00
HMA30602KHC+ 6.5 Grendel 20” #1 5+1 HIGHLANDER 13.87” 39.5” 5.7 lbs $724.00
HMA30602YOTE+ 6.5 Grendel 20” #1 5+1 YOTE 13.87” 39.5” 5.7 lbs $724.00
HMA60602+ 6.5 Grendel 22" #2 5+1 BLACK 13.87” 41.5” 6.0 lbs $608.00
HMA60603+ 6.5 Grendel 22" #2 5+1 GREEN 13.87” 41.5” 6.0 lbs $608.00
HMA60602KHC+ 6.5 Grendel 22" #2 5+1 HIGHLANDER 13.87” 41.5” 6.0 lbs $681.00
HMA60602YOTE+ 6.5 Grendel 22" #2 5+1 YOTE 13.87” 41.5” 6.0 lbs $681.00
HMA90622+ 6.5 Grendel 20" #6 5+1 BLACK 13.87” 39.5” 6.4 lbs $681.00
HMA90623+ 6.5 Grendel 20" #6 5+1 GREEN 13.87” 39.5” 6.4 lbs $681.00
HMA90622KHC+ 6.5 Grendel 20" #6 5+1 HIGHLANDER 13.87” 39.5” 6.4 lbs $753.00
HMA90622YOTE+ 6.5 Grendel 20" #6 5+1 YOTE 13.87” 39.5” 6.4 lbs $753.00
package with nikko stirling panamax 3-9x40
HMP60602+ 6.5 Grendel 20” #1 5+1 BLACK 13.87” 39.5” 6.6 lbs $753.00
HMP60603+ 6.5 Grendel 20” #1 5+1 GREEN 13.87” 39.5” 6.6 lbs $753.00
HMP60602KHC+ 6.5 Grendel 20” #1 5+1 HIGHLANDER 13.87” 39.5” 6.6 lbs $826.00
HMP60602YOTE+ 6.5 Grendel 20” #1 5+1 YOTE 13.87” 39.5” 6.6 lbs $826.00
HMP60602+ 6.5 Grendel 22" #2 5+1 BLACK 13.87” 41.5” 6.8 lbs $724.00
HMP60603+ 6.5 Grendel 22" #2 5+1 GREEN 13.87” 41.5” 6.8 lbs $724.00
HMP60602KHC+ 6.5 Grendel 22" #2 5+1 HIGHLANDER 13.87” 41.5” 6.8 lbs $797.00
HMP60602YOTE+ 6.5 Grendel 22" #2 5+1 YOTE 13.87” 41.5” 6.8 lbs $797.00
HMP90622+ 6.5 Grendel 20" #6 5+1 BLACK 13.87” 39.5” 7.4 lbs $782.00
HMP90623+ 6.5 Grendel 20" #6 5+1 GREEN 13.87” 39.5” 7.4 lbs $782.00
HMP90622KHC+ 6.5 Grendel 20" #6 5+1 HIGHLANDER 13.87” 39.5” 7.4 lbs $855.00
HMP90622YOTE+ 6.5 Grendel 20" #6 5+1 YOTE 13.87” 39.5” 7.4 lbs $855.00
Posted By: dee
Re: Howa Grendel - 12/31/15 05:32 AM
I wonder if it will be offered in a barreled action?
Posted By: kmon11
Re: Howa Grendel - 12/31/15 05:43 AM
From what has been posted where those came from the barreled action will be an option
Posted By: wtjim
Re: Howa Grendel - 12/31/15 12:36 PM
6.5 Grendel bolt sounds awesome! I absolutely love my 6.5G AR
Posted By: Sneaky
Re: Howa Grendel - 12/31/15 12:48 PM
Outstanding. This is perfect for anyone sensitive to recoil. I have killed a few deer with my AR Grendel, and I've been thoroughly pleased with it. I don't think you could beat it in a small framed rifle for kids.
Posted By: J.G.
Re: Howa Grendel - 12/31/15 01:43 PM
I don't think you could beat it in a small framed rifle for kids.
Exactly my thinking. I'm gonna need to get one of these.
How is the Howa action and trigger? I've never been near a Howa rifle.
Posted By: J.G.
Re: Howa Grendel - 12/31/15 01:45 PM
MINI ACTION!!!!!
I just saw that! Even shorter than a standard short action. Dear God that thing could be cycled about as fast a bolt action .22lr wirh a whole lot more oomph going down range!
Posted By: Sneaky
Re: Howa Grendel - 12/31/15 02:19 PM
If they'll make one with a length of pull around 12" or less, I'll buy one.
Posted By: Wildhorse
Re: Howa Grendel - 12/31/15 06:06 PM
How is the Howa action and trigger? I've never been near a Howa rifle.
Triggers are alright for a production gun. A few years ago they were pretty bad but competition in the market seems to have encouraged them to do better.
Of course there is always Timiney if the stock trigger isn't good enough.
After guiding youth hunts now for many years I also see some real potential for this as a youth caliber. It would also be good for my wife who loves to shoot but hates loud, heavy, or inaccurate guns. Maybe this is her unicorn.
Posted By: charlesb
Re: Howa Grendel - 01/01/16 12:52 AM
The rubberized Howa/Hogue stock in black or green is aluminum pillar-bedded. The nylon-like plastic used on the Hogue stock does not stick well to epoxy or fiberglass, so if you want to glass bed it, you'll have to go in there and drill a few holes, rough it up a bit, etc..
I've looked around and have not found much in the way of aftermarket stocks, so far. There soon will be, most likely, at least from Boyds if nobody else.
It sounds like a very nice lightweight deer/pig gun to me. They will also soon be available in .222 Remington, if not already - but I am more excited about the 6.5 Grendel chambering.
Dunno if the Howa 1500 triggers made by Timney and Rifle Basix will fit this action.
That is a really cool idea.
Posted By: boonee
Re: Howa Grendel - 01/01/16 01:46 AM
I called every warehouse that I buy from, some of them didn't know anything about them, and one says they have a part # but don't know when they will arrive. I have put a green short barrel on my wish list with all of them!
Posted By: kmon11
Re: Howa Grendel - 01/01/16 03:39 AM
The current plan is midyear 2016 for them to be available here in the US. In time to get one and have it ready for 2016 seasons. Their initial prototypes are here and from reports doing pretty good sub MOA with Hornady factory ammo. The prototypes are 1:9 twist barrels and it has been suggested they try 1:8 twist like their 6.5X55 offerings were in.
Posted By: J.G.
Re: Howa Grendel - 01/01/16 04:15 AM
Wonder what kind of velocity it would push a 130 gr. Berger VLD?
Posted By: kmon11
Re: Howa Grendel - 01/01/16 04:28 AM
Wonder what kind of velocity it would push a 130 gr. Berger VLD?
Staying within SAAMI Spec of 52000 PSI around 2450 to 2500 max. That is what I am getting from the CZ 527 with the 130gr Berger Hybrid. Some are pushing it to 60000 PSI in their bolt actions and getting 2600fps with the 130s. Have pushed the 123gr amax to 2700 in the CZ but at that got a little sticky bolt lift. with that bullet 2650 fps no over due pressure signs.
With the 130gr bullet Hodgdon CFE223 is for sure one of the powders of choice another is leverevolution. IMR 8208 is about as fast of powder as is practical for the 123 gr bullets and with the A-Max and SST 28.5 is the max load to be approached with caution.
Posted By: J.G.
Re: Howa Grendel - 01/01/16 04:51 AM
The hybrid would be the way to go. I'd feel better about 2600 fps, but consistency trumps velocity. I bet this rifle chambered in the Grendel will be a joy to shoot!
Posted By: kmon11
Re: Howa Grendel - 01/01/16 05:33 AM
My barrel on the CZ seems to be picking up a bit of speed as I shoot it more and those velocities were measured when it had less than 100 rounds through it. Will know more once I get some more rounds through it but consistency is there with it and pretty low ES in the low teens on last check with loads from 2400 to 2475 and groups sub half MOA for the little custom. Wont really work on further development until have a few hundred more rounds down range then we will see what she can do. 160 through it so far. Gotta get shooting more often.
Posted By: kmon11
Re: Howa Grendel - 01/01/16 05:36 AM
Jason, figure we will do a ladder test one day with it and just shoot for fun one day after have about 250 rounds down the pipe. See what we can do with it then.
Posted By: J.G.
Re: Howa Grendel - 01/01/16 01:38 PM
Absolutely! I've got everything needed at the range, including a Polaris Ranger to run back and forth between platform and target. I also have more than one place to set up a loading press to load the charges that need to be group shot. Any time you're ready let me know.
Posted By: kmon11
Re: Howa Grendel - 01/05/16 05:55 AM
Barreled action info. Not sure who is making stocks for it but someone will pick it up if they haven't already
[QUOTE=]here you go!
sorry, ROT for the grendels but it is in fact 1-8" twist and the magazines that come with the grendels are in fact 5rd's[/QUOTE]
Posted By: booradley
Re: Howa Grendel - 01/05/16 06:18 AM
I've only seen one Howa, mounted a scope on one a couple of weeks ago. It had a wood stock. Finish and smoothness of the bolt was not as nice as a Vanguard S2. The first thing that came to mind comparitively was a .270 ADL I purchased new in 2005. This is just an example of one though. And I have rifles that are nicer and smoother than the .270 but the only one more accurate is a CZ American 6.5x55 with 130 grain Berger VLD's. While a 6.5 Grendel bolt action doesn't appeal to me for my use I can see the appeal for others. It might be just the thing for my 25 year old daughter. Shotgun recoil doesn't bother her but rifle recoil does since she is sitting when shoots a rifle.
Posted By: kmon11
Re: Howa Grendel - 01/05/16 06:24 AM
Boo recoil of the Grendel is noticeably less than a 243 if rifle weights are the same. If conditions are right I would not hesitate to use my Grendel boltaction on deer to 400 yards. Recoil and muzzle blast with somewhere around 27 to 32 grains powder depending on the bullet and powder isn't bad.
Posted By: booradley
Re: Howa Grendel - 01/05/16 08:08 AM
Boo recoil of the Grendel is noticeably less than a 243 if rifle weights are the same. If conditions are right I would not hesitate to use my Grendel boltaction on deer to 400 yards. Recoil and muzzle blast with somewhere around 27 to 32 grains powder depending on the bullet and powder isn't bad.
That is why I think it might be the ticket for my daughter. She shoots a Vanguard .243 Youth and complains about it. Haven't looked at any tables but figured any cartridge based on a .223 case must have quite a bit less recoil than a .243 in the same weight rifle.
Out of curiosity I just looked up the Grendel. I always thought it was based on the .223 case but Wikipedia states it is based on the .220 Russian. After looking at the specs I could see myself with an AR. I bet it would do almost anything my 30-30 will do out to longer ranges on deer and hogs.
Posted By: charlesb
Re: Howa Grendel - 01/06/16 01:26 AM
Family tree for 6.5 Grendel:
7.62x39 - The Russian copy/answer to the German 8mm Kurtz from late in WWII.
220 Russian - developed for hunting deer in Russia.
22 PPC - Developed as a target round.
6.5 Grendel - Developed as a possible replacement for the .223 in the M-16.
It looks just like a 7.62x39 necked down to 6.5 with a small primer instead of a large one. - And the 7.62x39 is in fact it's great-grand-daddy.
There is also a 6mm PPC but it's an older but littler brother, another off-shoot of the 22 PPC like the Grendel.
I like the 6.5 Grendel better than any of its relatives as a deer/pig hunting cartridge.
That's just me, though. A lot of shooters think more highly of the 7.62x39.
I don't think you could beat it in a small framed rifle for kids.
Exactly my thinking. I'm gonna need to get one of these.
How is the Howa action and trigger? I've never been near a Howa rifle.
Action good, trigger fixable by timney
Posted By: J.G.
Re: Howa Grendel - 01/06/16 02:23 AM
Posted By: kmon11
Re: Howa Grendel - 06/18/16 01:53 AM
Update from Howa
Looks like Matt could use a few tips on keeping cheek weld, and a bit more secure target stand.
Update from Howa
Looks like Matt could use a few tips on keeping cheek weld, and a bit more secure target stand.
I think I'm gonna order the 22" heavier barrel model for my son. I believe the barrel is heavy enough to thread for a brake. That rifle will not recoil.
Posted By: Buzzsaw
Re: Howa Grendel - 06/18/16 02:11 AM
damn ya'll quit it
Posted By: charlesb
Re: Howa Grendel - 06/19/16 11:51 AM
I'll probably order the heavy barreled version too. - In either .222 Rem, or 6.5 Grendel.
Still looking for aftermarket stocks. Has anybody heard of any?
I would want a wood stock for the .222 Remington. I guess the 6.5 Grendel would be the best one to get first, as the Hogue stock should be OK for that.
On the .222, I"d be tempted to rust blue the barreled action, then sink it into a nice piece of Walnut. - Make it purdy, and put a good quality scope on it.
A note of caution here about scopes and scope mounts on a mini-action. The problem to work with is the short distance between the rings, which will limit how far forward or back you can move a scope. If possible, try the scope on the rifle before you buy. - I got stuck with a Nikon Monarch once that would not work out with my CZ Mini-Mauser. There was no way to move the scope forward enough, so I finally gave up, put the scope on the shelf and tried another scope that fit a little better.
A good way to go here would be to see what present mini-action Howa owners seem to be happiest with.
Posted By: kmon11
Re: Howa Grendel - 06/20/16 02:48 AM
Charles you can use the 2 piece bases and offset rings to give more room between the rings if needed. Howa at this time has no plans for additional stocks for this rifle. A guy in Australia is sending them dimensions and plans on tactical stocked versions he is making and they are interested in those for the heavy barreled versions. Have heard some stock makers here have shown interest but think they may be taking the wait and see on how the waters are on if there will be aftermarket stocks.
The video link I posted above they used the 20 inch heavy barreled model.
Posted By: charlesb
Re: Howa Grendel - 06/20/16 10:05 AM
I'd be happy with a few of the Boyds or Stocky's stocks designs.
The rubber-coated Hogue stocks usually shoot OK - but are the direct opposite of "elegant". Howas can actually look pretty good, if you put one in a good looking stock.
Have you seen the Webley & Scott? They put a Howa action in a good-looking stock with a steel detachable magazine, and it's a knockout. Only a Weatherby Vangaurd II Deluxe comes close. I like the Webley & Scott much better than the Weatherby. It costs just a bit less, and looks better.
I would round-file those scope mounts though, it looks like somebody gave a nice rifle to Bubba. The only way they could be worse would be if they were "see-through" mounts. So, if I were buying a Webley & Scott, I'd be getting rifle only, and let them keep the scope package deal.
This is the kind of stock that I would like to see as an option on the mini-Howa. Something with a bit of class to it.
Mines been on order since shot show. Can't wait to get it
Posted By: blackcoal
Re: Howa Grendel - 06/21/16 02:13 AM
Posted By: kmon11
Re: Howa Grendel - 06/22/16 03:34 AM
Good news on the scope mounts for the mini action
http://warnescopemounts.com/?s=howaNew Warne 0moa and 20moa one piece rails!
Posted By: kmon11
Re: Howa Grendel - 06/23/16 03:40 AM
More news for rifles with this action
Boyds will be offering a replacement stock for the Mini action.
Posted By: Gravytrain
Re: Howa Grendel - 06/23/16 05:50 PM
Posted By: westexhunt
Re: Howa Grendel - 06/27/16 11:00 PM
I barreled a savage 10 in 6.5 Grendel for my kids to shoot. Wish I had waited for the howa. My go to calling rifle in 223 is a howa with the 10rd mag. Shoots great and functions perfectly. Howa is a wonderful rifle for hunting/rough use.
Has anyone got their hands on one these yet? If so how do they shot?
Posted By: charlesb
Re: Howa Grendel - 07/12/16 02:21 PM
They're listed in 6.5 Grendel in the Howa catalog - but none of the wholesalers I deal with will admit to having one of them yet.
Posted By: Pig_Popper
Re: Howa Grendel - 08/02/16 06:16 PM
I love simple and straight forward videos that demonstrate the virtues of 5.56 vs
6.5mmHe was even shooting a target (light jacket) Amax round the 5.56 seems to be soft point...
Posted By: charlesb
Re: Howa Grendel - 08/03/16 11:14 AM
Well of course the larger case and heavier bullet is going to put more energy on the target. That is a given.
My question about the new Howa is how heavy a bullet will its magazine properly handle. Much of the 6.5 caliber's reputation stemmed from the use of long, heavy bullets in the Swede on elk-sized game.
If the Howa cannot properly utilize at least 140 grain bullets, then it will be no better a performer than an AR, and hunters wanting a light, handy deer rifle will still be better off with a 30-30 shooting 170 grain bullets.
Posted By: kmon11
Re: Howa Grendel - 08/03/16 12:23 PM
The Howa mini in 6.5 Grendel comes with a 1:8 twist barrel and that will stabilize bullets to the 154gr Norma Onyx which is a short for weight bullet. Magazine length for the Mini is for SAAMI spec loading so 2.26 or 2.27 are realistic expectations to work well. In the CZ Mini I can load to 2.29 and still cycle rounds through it. In my 1:8.4 barreled Grendel 140gr partitions are doable but velocity is in the 2300 range, still plenty for any deer walking but I prefer the 130gr Accubond LR at 2450fps which is easily obtainable and with the high BC it retains enough for a whitetail much further than most should be shooting.
By the way the first shipment of the Howa Mini have arrived in country and are being sent out, some have already gotten their pre ordered rifles. That first shipment was the 22 inch version and there are heavy barreled ones and the light weight ones in customs with more on the way according to Legacy Sports.
Posted By: Pig_Popper
Re: Howa Grendel - 08/03/16 01:28 PM
Well of course the larger case and heavier bullet is going to put more energy on the target. That is a given.
My question about the new Howa is how heavy a bullet will its magazine properly handle. Much of the 6.5 caliber's reputation stemmed from the use of long, heavy bullets in the Swede on elk-sized game.
If the Howa cannot properly utilize at least 140 grain bullets, then it will be no better a performer than an AR, and hunters wanting a light, handy deer rifle will still be better off with a 30-30 shooting 170 grain bullets.
In the current consumer market the Howa Grendel is going to be a hot ticket item, regardless of how it performs with heavy bullets.
A) A 123gr SST is a proven shonuff killer round, lightyears beyond 5.56, as you say "a given" but point being you don't need 140gr at lesser velocity.
B) There are a lot of people who are bought in already on Grendel ARs so they'll likely want a bolt gun for the simple reason of already being invested in the caliber
C) The rifle will be affordable
That's my opinions, I don't believe anybody is expecting the Howa Grendel to revolutionalize the cartridge and be a magic bullet type solution - there are too many other caliber a like the good ole 270 that can stretch out the bullet weights better.
Posted By: charlesb
Re: Howa Grendel - 08/03/16 02:20 PM
The guys trying to hunt subsonic will of course want to push the longest, heaviest bullet that they can, to get the energy level up.
I am wanting to run the heavier bullets in order to emulate the ballistics of one of the most popular and successful 6.5's of all time, the 6.5x54, which Europeans use as we might use a 30-30 with the 170 grain bullet. Moderate velocity with a long, heavy bullet does a great job at the ranges that most deer are shot at. (Under 200 yds)
The 6.5 Grendel has about the right case capacity for this, and with its moderate recoil it should be great in a light, handy rifle.
A 140 grain bullet would be OK, but a 160 grain RN would be outstanding.
If you look up discussions where the primary advantage of the 6.5 bullet diameter is mentioned, you'll hear about long, heavy for caliber bullets with high sectional density that perform beyond normal expectations. Usually this will be mentioned when they talk about the 6.5x55 being used in Sweden on the local elk-sized critter.
When you are stuck with the shorter, lighter bullets, then this outstanding advantage has just been peed away. - Then you are stuck with talking about it being better than a .223 - which is true enough but with the heavier slugs, you would be talking about how it is better than the 30-30, which is something else entirely.
Posted By: Pig_Popper
Re: Howa Grendel - 08/03/16 02:31 PM
Creedmoor
Posted By: charlesb
Re: Howa Grendel - 08/03/16 02:34 PM
You can load down a creedmoor to 6.5x54 levels, but it will use more powder than the Grendel and give you a bit more recoil. Accuracy may be an issue due to reduced loading density.
Posted By: kmon11
Re: Howa Grendel - 10/20/16 09:08 PM
The Howa Mini action is getting noticed by some Stock makers, one Chassis is now available from Brownells
link MDT LSS link
Posted By: cxjcherokec
Re: Howa Grendel - 10/22/16 02:34 PM
MDT is making a chassis for it
Posted By: kmon11
Re: Howa Grendel - 11/18/16 05:12 PM
Boyds now has stocks available for the Howa mini rifles
link Classic and light available with more on the way
Does anyone have the rifle for sale yet?
Posted By: redchevy
Re: Howa Grendel - 11/18/16 05:25 PM
Cabelas has them in .223, but I contacted them they have no intent to carry one in 6.5 and you can't order one.
Posted By: kmon11
Re: Howa Grendel - 11/18/16 05:35 PM
The stocks of them come and go from what I have read. Broenells has had them and last I looked have the barreled actions. Boyds is making stocks for the barreled actions now.
On the Grendel forum there is a thread in the boltactions section that is very long but Matt from LSI has said in there you our your LGS can order directly from them and of course have it delivered to your LGS for paperwork. There are also some range reports from a few people that have theirs already.
Many of the first few shipments they got were preorders from customers from what I understand.
