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gunsmith prices

Posted By: rickym

gunsmith prices - 06/23/15 09:39 PM

Wanting to get an idea of what it would cost to make my fiancee's remington 770 .270 more accurate. Crowning, floating the barrel im not sure what else.

Buying a different gun doesnt seem to be an option as shes in love with this one, other than accuracy. But she doesnt want anything else confused2
Posted By: dee

Re: gunsmith prices - 06/23/15 09:45 PM

I'd sell it and get a different platform to start with.
Posted By: ChadTRG42

Re: gunsmith prices - 06/23/15 09:46 PM

Free float the barrel, and tune the trigger, and call it good.
Posted By: syncerus

Re: gunsmith prices - 06/23/15 10:10 PM

Are you sure it's the gun? Could it be her, or maybe the scope is the problem? How many different brands of ammo have you tried?
Posted By: nsmike

Re: gunsmith prices - 06/23/15 10:14 PM

A good gunsmith can inspect the gun and tell you if it needs to be recrowned. The 770 being inexpensive, it's likey not bedded the best, piller bed the action and free float the barrel. A MN smith I know would charge $175 for the pillar bedding and free floating, $50 to recrown, and $60 to do an trigger job.
Posted By: rickym

Re: gunsmith prices - 06/23/15 10:17 PM

Think so. We both shoot my remington 783 .308 real well and my mossberg 100atr 30-06 pretty well. Factory scope could be problem but with either one of us shooting, cold bore shot is within an 1"-1 1/2" from being dead on at 100. And then like 3-4 inches out from then on.
Have tried rem, hornady and winchester. 2 different bullets and grains of the hornady

Rifle has had about 60 rounds through it and has been like this since new
Posted By: MikeC

Re: gunsmith prices - 06/23/15 11:42 PM

Have it pillar bedded to start. It certainly won't make it worse.
Posted By: BigPig

Re: gunsmith prices - 06/23/15 11:50 PM

Originally Posted By: rickym
Think so. We both shoot my remington 783 .308 real well and my mossberg 100atr 30-06 pretty well. Factory scope could be problem but with either one of us shooting, cold bore shot is within an 1"-1 1/2" from being dead on at 100. And then like 3-4 inches out from then on.
Have tried rem, hornady and winchester. 2 different bullets and grains of the hornady

Rifle has had about 60 rounds through it and has been like this since new


Cold bore will almost always never be "dead on." With it opening up to 3-4 inches I'm guessing it needs to be free floated, which you can easily do yourself. I'd start with that being its the easiest and cheapest. Next I would have a trigger job done and follow that with pillar bedding if it still doesn't achieve the accuracy you want.
Posted By: caddokiller

Re: gunsmith prices - 06/24/15 12:12 AM

There is no way I would spend any money on a rem 770. It will probably not ever shoot and if it does you will never get the value back out of it.
Posted By: Brother in-law

Re: gunsmith prices - 06/24/15 12:19 AM

Get rid of it and start over or check your base , rings , and optics
Posted By: rickym

Re: gunsmith prices - 06/24/15 12:41 AM

If you read the Op were not getting rid of it.
Im not concerned with getting the money back out i want to make it a little better and make her happier.

Who does good work at a good price in east texas or maybe out toward austin. Near houston would be preferred.
Posted By: syncerus

Re: gunsmith prices - 06/24/15 01:19 AM

770 bedding:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLlpz9ssr9Q

770 trigger adjustment:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kaa6j-KVNNA

Good luck with your project.
Posted By: patriot07

Re: gunsmith prices - 06/24/15 03:06 AM

As others have said, you're better off starting with a different platform. 700 ADL can be had for cheap, as can a model 10 or 11 Savage. Either will shoot better, hold value better, and offer more modification options than your 770.

But if you're set on keeping the 770, syncerus's links look good. Unlike the options above, you will get 0% return on investment modifying a 770.
Posted By: nsmike

Re: gunsmith prices - 06/24/15 04:13 AM

I'm going to make a guess here, the reason to try to make a silk purse out of a sows ear, is emotional not logical. I'm guessing that rickym's fiancee chose the rifle herself, giving up on it means failure, not an acceptable alternative. It'll be easier to get the work done, swallow the cost, then it will be to deal with the disappointment. One thing that I would have done is to make sure there are no fundamental flaws that would preclude accuracy. I would also tell the gunsmith upfront the situation to avoid having him assume that you want to cut corners.
Posted By: rickym

Re: gunsmith prices - 06/24/15 12:47 PM

Originally Posted By: nsmike
I'm going to make a guess here, the reason to try to make a silk purse out of a sows ear, is emotional not logical. I'm guessing that rickym's fiancee chose the rifle herself, giving up on it means failure, not an acceptable alternative. It'll be easier to get the work done, swallow the cost, then it will be to deal with the disappointment. One thing that I would have done is to make sure there are no fundamental flaws that would preclude accuracy. I would also tell the gunsmith upfront the situation to avoid having him assume that you want to cut corners.


You are completely correct. She choose it, that gun (idk why) the caliber, the stainless model the only thing she wants changed is the accuracy and a camo stock. Ok maybe i want the accuracy to be a little better as well
Posted By: rickym

Re: gunsmith prices - 06/24/15 12:49 PM

And thank you to everyone who chimed in
Posted By: QuitShootinYoungBucks

Re: gunsmith prices - 06/24/15 02:42 PM

Bed it, trigger job, and free-float the barrel and hope for the best. What scares me is the odds are against you-if it's that inaccurate now and you haven't found a load it seems to favor, all your efforts could be for naught. But I'm sure there are cases where that much work turns a nightmare into a perfectly fine hunting rifle. Good luck!
Posted By: nsmike

Re: gunsmith prices - 06/24/15 03:26 PM

Originally Posted By: QuitShootinYoungBucks
Bed it, trigger job, and free-float the barrel and hope for the best. What scares me is the odds are against you-if it's that inaccurate now and you haven't found a load it seems to favor, all your efforts could be for naught. But I'm sure there are cases where that much work turns a nightmare into a perfectly fine hunting rifle. Good luck!

If there isn't a fundemental flaw I would expect that 1 1/2 inch groups should be obtainable. Right now the OP still doesn't have a recommendation for someone to do the work.
Posted By: nsmike

Re: gunsmith prices - 06/24/15 03:44 PM

Poking around I found references to Freer Gunshop and Vandenberg Customs. Being located in MN I have no idea how good they are.
Posted By: SingleShot85

Re: gunsmith prices - 06/24/15 04:11 PM

For F's sake do not spend any money to try and fix a 770, anyone recommending you spend even one cent for gunsmithing is doing you the biggest disservice i seen on this board. checking scope attachments, free floating the barrel yourself and trying different ammunition are all prudent actions anything more is an exercise in futility.

Posted By: redchevy

Re: gunsmith prices - 06/24/15 04:12 PM

If getting rid of it isn't an option, which it would be for me, I'd say 4 inch groups is good enough for a body shot and move on down the road.
Posted By: ChadTRG42

Re: gunsmith prices - 06/24/15 04:48 PM

How were you set up when firing your groups? i.e, bipod, front sand bags, lead sled, rear bags, etc? Most rifles that shoot randomly at about 3-4 inch groups have some kind of bedding or non-free float issue. If you as a shooter is set up properly (good trigger pull 90 degrees to trigger, not pulling or pushing the trigger sideways, firm shoulder pressure, proper body alignment, etc), then it's most likely the rifle. The 770's that I have seen are not free floated, which will cause the random groups. I don't recall if it's the 770, but one of the lower Rem model rifles are glued in to the stock, and not meant to be taken apart.

If it is not free floated and the stock is making contact with the barrel, and you are using a bipod, then this will put pressure on the action, and cause shots to go random. That's why I suggested free float and a trigger job, and call it good. The 770's can shoot decent (better than the 3"-4" you are getting now for sure), but you have to eliminate the things that can cause randomness.

And if I own a rifle that isn't dead on for a cold bore shot, I won't own it long. You can work through the grouping issues.
Posted By: nsmike

Re: gunsmith prices - 06/24/15 04:52 PM

I poked around a little bit and there's one good reason not to spend much money on the 770. It seems that the magazine release, that's integral to the stock breaks, requiring a stock replacement. If you spent the money to get the bedding right it could all be undone in a second.
Posted By: colt45-90

Re: gunsmith prices - 06/24/15 05:07 PM

Originally Posted By: Brother in-law
Get rid of it and start over or check your base , rings , and optics
get r done flush
Posted By: QuitShootinYoungBucks

Re: gunsmith prices - 06/24/15 05:21 PM

Originally Posted By: SingleShot85
For F's sake do not spend any money to try and fix a 770, anyone recommending you spend even one cent for gunsmithing is doing you the biggest disservice i seen on this board. checking scope attachments, free floating the barrel yourself and trying different ammunition are all prudent actions anything more is an exercise in futility.



I agree he's throwing bad money after worse, but he's set on keeping the rifle. I wouldn't spend any money at a smith-I'd do it all myself if I was hellbent on keeping the gun. I don't know what his trigger work options are, but a DIY bedding kit is a cheap enough option along with free-floating it.
Posted By: patriot07

Re: gunsmith prices - 06/24/15 08:53 PM

Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42
How were you set up when firing your groups? i.e, bipod, front sand bags, lead sled, rear bags, etc? Most rifles that shoot randomly at about 3-4 inch groups have some kind of bedding or non-free float issue. If you as a shooter is set up properly (good trigger pull 90 degrees to trigger, not pulling or pushing the trigger sideways, firm shoulder pressure, proper body alignment, etc), then it's most likely the rifle. The 770's that I have seen are not free floated, which will cause the random groups. I don't recall if it's the 770, but one of the lower Rem model rifles are glued in to the stock, and not meant to be taken apart.

If it is not free floated and the stock is making contact with the barrel, and you are using a bipod, then this will put pressure on the action, and cause shots to go random. That's why I suggested free float and a trigger job, and call it good. The 770's can shoot decent (better than the 3"-4" you are getting now for sure), but you have to eliminate the things that can cause randomness.

And if I own a rifle that isn't dead on for a cold bore shot, I won't own it long. You can work through the grouping issues.
I agree. It feels like if it isn't a free-floating issue, then you're definitely going to be throwing money away. I'd float it myself and then worry about trigger, bedding and other issues only if I was able to get groups consistently under 2" by fixing the barrel float.
Posted By: rickym

Re: gunsmith prices - 06/24/15 09:20 PM

Thank you to all of you who responded. I personally do agree with yall when you say get rid of it but after days of tryin to talk her out of it we still ended up goin back and buying it cause thats what her little heart desired. As hard as it was tryin to talk her out of it then it would be even harder now.
She wont ever be shooting more than 150 yards so it doesnt have to be anywhere near a precision rifle just somethin to get the job done on a deer or pig. I will be attempting to float the barrel. And will go from there

Thanks again, ricky
Posted By: Gravytrain

Re: gunsmith prices - 06/25/15 01:47 PM

Do the factory scope rings have a windage screw on the rear one?

If so, I've had bad experiences with that setup.
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