Suppressor questions

Well, I finally got off my backside and set up a NFA trust. Submitting the paperwork for a SBR, so now time to get some suppressors...

Here is what I will be using/doing...

The SBR will most likely be an AAC 9" 300 blackout. Also, I have a 16" 300 BO and a 16" 6.8 SPC. These 2 are what we currently hog/coyote hunt with.

Will be shooting supers more often than not, assuming that I would have better performance? IDK

Was thinking about getting a couple of different cans/mounting systems and seeing what I liked. Leaning toward the AAC 762-SDN-6 and the Silencerco Saker 7.62

Also, I understand you may have some POI shift when adding a can.. So, do you just make a mental note of that, or should I resight my optics WITH the can on? The SBR most likely would always have a can on it, the 2 16" rifles, I havent decided, since I will prob be switching the can back and forth between the two..

Anything I am missing? Should look at?

Oh, forgot to mention, length and weight are higher priority than noise suppression. Especially when considering lugging around a 16" barrel with an additional 7 +/- inches on the end... That is why when the SBR comes in, it will be MINE and son gets to hump the other lmao..

Thanks for any advice!

If you will be shooting suppressed, zero the scope suppressed. Every one of my rifles has an impact shift when adding the suppressor. Also, the harmonics are completely changed, so a load that shoots well without the suppressor may not do well with the suppressor. My 6.5 Creedmoor was load developed without suppressor and shoots tiny, add the suppressor and it opens up a bit.

My 7mm-08 will only ever be shot suppressed, so I zeroed and did load development suppressed.

With length and weight being a high priority you should look at a Titanium suppressor. Crux has a short, medium and long can that is SBR rated. I would try to stay under 16oz.

Thanks for the advice ya'll! Man... decisions, decisions.. lol

Have a great Easter!

I have a 762 SD and it's a good can but with the current ownership structure of aac I would steer clear. I'm really pleased with everything I have from SilencerCo.

I hadnt heard of any probs with AAC.. what is the scoop? BTW.. was too busy today to do anything suppressor wise.. so I am still window shopping

I just ordered a SilencerCo 7.62 Specwar, which is the quietest of the SilencerCo models, but the heaviest and longest. If I remember correctly, I believe the Omega is the lightest, followed by the Saker. The Saker is 1.5" shorter than the Specwar and weighs 3 oz. less (due to it being titanium vs. the Specwar being steel), so it would be one to consider. Also, the Saker has a new lock collar (one turn and its locked) system, the Specwar has to be turned a few times before it locks into place. For approx. $200 less than the Saker, the Specwar fit my needs.

AAC is now part of the Freedom Group, they don't have a very good track record. That aside, I have the 51 tooth mounting system 7.62 SD, mfg about 2008. I have sent it back to AAC twice for repair of end cap strikes, due to the 51 tooth system allowing the can to "shoot loose". Both times AAC fixed it free of charge. The 51 T system is flawed, if I didn't already have the can and the AAC muzzle devices on about 8 rifles I would not be using anything AAC. Silencerco, has their stuff to together and they also figured out ways to correct the 51 T problems go that route.

Agree with all that Westexhunt has said. Good advice.

Hmm.. Good info. I am not tied to getting an AAC by any means. Just thought if I get the AAC upper, it would already have the 51t flash hider... Ah well, as someone said in another post... Someone has to pump money into the economy lol...

This could get as bad as night vision addiction lol

My Templar Tactical/Crux cans exhibit almost no shift, it's straight down, about a 1/3" of an inch.

The Specwar comes with a flash hider/muzzle break that doubles as a mount so no worries there. Silencerco's customer service is not only top notch, so are their products. Super great people to deal with and I've yet to hear someone talking bad about them.

So, Omega or Saker?

Primary use bolt gun or AR? That should make your decision for you.

Probably 70/30 AR/bolt. ARs in 5.56 and 6.8, Bolt in .308. Or should I get something else?

The Saker is a great suppressor but since you wanted light weight might look at the Omega. I have not heard one yet but I have heard good things about it.

If your use is 70/30 AR/Bolt with .308 being the largest caliber, then I'd pick the Saker, myself.

I'm by no means an expert. I got my first suppressor last year, and I currently own suppressors in 7.62 (Specwar), .22 (Spectre) and .45 (Octane) calibers. I've also got Griffin .338 LM and Sportsman DT units on the way. The Specwar is great; maybe heavy, but it appears to have no effect on accuracy and a moderate effect on point of impact, about 2-2.5" @ 100 yards. I bought the Griffin 338LM for heavy magnum usage, including my .338 LM, and I bought the Sportsman DT for use on thin barreled hunting rifles.

Much to my surprise, I discovered the choice of muzzle device can be quite complicated. The two majors are 5/8x24 and 1/2x28. That's great, but the 5/8 units are usually 7.62 caliber and the 1/2 units are usually 5.56 caliber. Some, not all, companies have 7.62 caliber units in the 1/2 format; most don't. Some companies offer 9/16x24, usually in 7.62 caliber. Why does all of this matter? Well, it probably won't if you're just using AR15 and AR10 rifles with standard profiles. If you use bull barrels, you'll probably want to use the 5/8 format, but some 5/8 muzzle devices will not work with 5.56 suppressor units. Some sporting rifles have very thin barrels; if your manufacturer doesn't offer a 1/2 device in 7.62 caliber, you may have problems.

This isn't meant to be needlessly confusing. These issues are not theoretical. My .338LM has a very thin barrel by a well known barrel maker that will almost certainly not fit a 5/8 muzzle device. I did not know this before I bought. I also have a bull barrel 5.56 upper that's threaded 5/8. I've just installed a Specwar muzzle device and it works perfectly with my Specwar 7.62; but it apparently wouldn't work with a Specwar 5.56 suppressor, as the Specwar 5.56 units will not attach to the 5/8 devices for obvious safety reasons.

Pretty clearly one device will not do it all. You have to pick a middle of the road suppressor that will excel at your primary task, and provide adequate performance at other tasks. Accept that suppressors are like potato chips and recognize that you will eventually buy more of them.

As always, my advice is worth what you paid for it.

That is why I went with the specwar 762. I can use it on a host of guns and it works great for the price. A little on the heavy side? Yes. Quiet and durable, also yes. It is nice to have the flexibility to shoot .223-300 win mag in a can that is full auto rated.

Everything he said. I zeroed all my rifles with suppressor on. I took the suppressor off and POI shifted as much as 4" at 100yds with one of my rifles. You're going to love the SBR w/suppressor combo. Used to have a 16" 300blk and 16" .223. Those are now gone and replace with 10.5" 300 blk and an 11.5" .223. They balance so much better with the suppressor on.

As far as choice of suppressor, I'd go with the Silencerco Omega if I had it to do over again (shorter and lighter than SpecWar and Saker). I went with the SpecWar because it was all that was out at the time.

I'm seriously considering the Silencerco Harvester. I know there is no QD but with a couple of adapters it will fit all I will use it for. The length and weight are very attractive. I know that they aren't full auto rated but hey, neither are my rifles.

IIRC they are only rated at 10 shots per minute.

Yes but when hunting, how often would one shoot more rounds than that? And they have videos showing full mags being dumped through them. You just have to let it cool afterwards.

You may never want to use it but you never know, plus dumping this many rounds is fun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFPbHygQOjY

I understand what you are saying. Just letting the OP know the restrictions on them. When I am eradicating hogs I shoot more than 10 shots a minute. If the only hunting you will ever do is 1 or 2 shots and then done the Harvester should work well but I don't like having the restrictions. People may do mag dumps all the time with them but why chance voiding the warranty.

Exactly, and the use may change 5 years from now.

Thanks for the help and advice all! After much deliberation, I decided to go with the Silencerco Omega. I looked hard at the Saker as well. In the end, I went with lighter over being able to use the Saker on shorter 223/556 barrels, of which I dont currently have anyway.

So... 4 or 5 months from now, I can give you my impressions lol..

BTW.. ordered them from the silencershop... If you think ordering them online is easy, you should give them a call... in less than 5 min, I was 2K lighter in the ol' pocketbook lol.. . (ordered 2 of them plus the tax stamp).

My SBR and suppressor stamps should be coming in at the same time, along with the start of a new HS football season... whats not to like about that! lol

Nice! I purchased a couple myself . They have the Omega adapters for the 556 AR's but not the 9/16 - 24 adapters. I wanted an AA 6.5 Grendel which is 9/16 but I cannot locate an adapter for the 5/8 Omega. May have to buy from PFA which isn't a bad thing but I sure like the look of the AA Hunter

Ordered mine first week of March so I'm waiting with you.

Yep, I as well. Waiting on my Osprey 40 right now.

You could also find a barrel adaptor or send your barrel to Morgan and have him rethread it to 5/8.

I had all the full auto fun I wanted in my late teens. And I sure as heck don't have the money to do it anyhow. Funny how buying a case of ammo was no big investment in the nineties. Now you have to get a loan . . .

But I do see the point. But 11oz. That is light. And I have shot over ten rounds tearing up a big sounder. But that is the exception, not the norm.

Oh I hear you on the ammo, lots of people want to shoot the bumpstock, the rule is you bring the ammo if you want to play. That being said, I couldn't be happier with the specwar either way.

It isn't an easy decision that's for sure.

I bought the Griffin Sportsman DT (direct thread) for hunting use. It's rated for 20 rounds and then a sustained rate of three rounds per minute. I can't believe it will be as durable as the Specwar, but I could be wrong, as it's got a replaceable sacrificial baffle. There's about a 10 oz difference in weight between the two models. If Griffin made a 1/2x28 taper mount in 7.62 caliber, I would have bought the Sportsman TM (taper mount) instead, but they don't, so I went direct thread. It's also comparatively inexpensive, and Griffin has a great reputation. I've emailed questions to their technical support and always received a prompt response. It's currently in Form 4 jail.

I think CRUX is out of my price range unless their retailers can get a much better deal than their website indicates. I think for my ARs and bolt (all 5/8 24, all 16" or longer) the Omega makes the most sense. Just gotta get all my trustee signatures and I'm off and running!

I do have a harvester as well as the old 762SD. I get more use out of the harvester. It moves from 223, 22-250, 6.5 creed and 300blk bolt rifles. Weight (lack of) is what makes it nice and I don't run many rounds through it. Just hunting and some range shooting. Last suppressor purchase was going to be a silencerco pistol can but ended up going with the griffin revolution 45 instead. Griffin 338 vs harvester big bore is my next decision. Nice to have so many options in cans but I tend to favor silencerco. Talked suppressors at shot show a couple years in a row and really like what silencerco is doing but others are catching up and turning out great products I want an omega also but the 762 sd will do for now.

Silencershop and SilencerCo did a video with a .308 20-round ammo dump through the Harvester. You just have to let it cool down.

I watched the video and that is why I think I will be okay with it.

Good find on the video and thanks for posting it and for most hunters it will work just fine. Personally if I buy a suppressor it is a 1 time purchase so I want something I can shoot however I want.

+1 That is why I went for the Specwar, plus I like the QD mount.

That is very understandable. However, I own two rifles other than my two ARs. And one of those is an R15. I only hunt. I don't spend a lot of rounds down range at the range. Most of my ammo is spent on flesh. Either way the sound suppression will be nice. However, I am not limited to just one. I really was looking to get a YHM Phantom LT but it has been difficult to catch them in stock as of late. Because the QD would be nice.

I'm going Omega. It's on order now after watching some youtube vids and actually fondling one at my class III FFL. Eric Pierce @ AGUN4YOU in Flower Mound. He has a demo that we're supposed to try out very soon. It's too cool. Having two mounting systems already in the package price and flexibility to go to smaller calibers with a different end cap makes a perfect sense. Kudos to Silencerco. Will use on both 300 blks (16" and SBR 10.5"), Savage 308 bolt, and then finally 5.56 AR.

Disappointed with my last silencer experience. Picked up my cans at Silencer Shop on 2/13 and while I was there I paid for a Griffin Armament Rev 45. Was told I would get an email copy of my invoice etc. nothing had arrived via email by Monday 2/16 so I sent an email to them with my trust attached. Never recieved any reply. On 3/26 I asked for an update and was informed that my Form 4 was mailed on 2/23 and the email on file was correct and they didn't know why I wasn't receiving emails. Fast forward to Tuesday 3/14 and I send them another email asking if the check had cleared on this item and they get back to me stating it has not been cashed and they are going to reprint and resubmit the form 4. No idea what happened but two months of wait time were wasted and nothing has been done without me asking what's going on. Still have not received an email without first asking what is going on. I'm going to call today. My suspicion is that Silencer Shop has gotten too big and too busy to take care of their customers.

Got my can approved on Saturday. It was exactly 90 days

Sorry to hear about that. I will say that I am not (yet) an existing customer of theirs, but I emailed them yesterday and got a response in less than 15 minutes which included them reading some documents before they replied.

They always answer my emails within minutes and are very accommodating. Just pissed me off that two months have been wasted and if had not inquired nothing would have been done.

Westexhunt - I've done some business with SS, and I've been super pleased with the process. Sorry yours hasn't gone well.

That is unfortunate, I have had nothing but great interactions with them. They are super responsive and took care of my last can quickly like always. Hopefully they get it figured out and resolved.

This is not my first purchase from them and I have sent them quite a bit of business. I called today and the person that handles the atf issues was not there. Paul was very nice and asked that I call back on Monday. Just want to know what is going on. SS suggested that everything may be fine they just had not cashed the check yet. A friend of mine purchased a can locally about 3 weeks after I made the Rev purchase and his check was cashed within 10 days.

Mine paperwork was sent off on the 6th of Mar and cashed on the 12th, so yea something seems wrong there.

I ordered 2 from them in the Fall. Check was cashed quick. I waited and then got a call that one was approved. I figured I would wait until both were approved before driving down and picking them up in person. I waited 2 weeks and then called the ATF myself. Had to give Silencer Shop's info (on the application)to get the info from the ATF, they wouldn't release the info when I gave the Trust's info. Turned out that both suppressors were approved the same day. Called Silencer Shop and found out they had both stamps waiting. Would have been nice to know earlier since I was in Central Texas during that 2 weeks I was waiting and could have made time to pick them up then. After the call, I got an e-mail notice from Silencer Shop that both stamps were in.

I'm waiting on them to deliver my 338 can any day now.

I'll be heading to silencer shop tomorrow to pick up my saker 762. I just wish they were able to deliver it to me at the shoot in Greenville so i didn't have to drive from arlington to Austin.

They will send them in the mail to you.

Who wants to wait another 2-3 weeks!

And take the chance of the CLEO saying 'No' when notified during those 2 weeks.

CLEO doesnt have the option to say no at that point, Its just a notification to them that SS is transferring the can to you

In reference to my previous posts I got an email that the check was cashed on 5/5/15. Original form was submitted on 2/23/15 and an inquiry by me to Silencer Shop about why the check was not cashed (on 4/14/15) got the ball rolling again. Not sure what the hold up was. Either way I lost a few months.