Muzzle brake vs Suppressor.....

Guys,

I am wondering if a suppressor, can, is more effective at reducing recoil than a muzzle brake or vise versa? I went to the range yesterday and there were three young guys there and one of them had a 338 win mag that had a suppressor on it. We got to talking and I watched him shoot it and the recoil really looked manageable...so he offered to let me shoot it. Wow! I was surprised at how tame the recoil was! Very manageable! I couldn't shoot it all day but I definitely could shoot it! Frankly spending 1400-1500 to add a can is more than I've been able to get my head around so far so I'm wondering if a brake will provide similar relief from recoil?

Thanks,

Mel

A good muzzle brake will reduce the recoil more than a suppressor does; but a suppressor does reduce recoil in general - partially because of the added weight to the rifle and partially for delaying the release of gases that cause the recoil.
A good muzzle brake will redirect the gases to reduce the recoil at the cost of increase noise. If you are just shooting at the range with ears on then its no issue; if you plan to hunt it make the rifle defining loud.

^^Exactly right^^

My JEC brakes reduce recoil more than my Tiger Shark suppressor, but the suppressor is much easier on the ears. Everything is a trade off though. Suppressor may give you a second or third shot on hogs or coyotes (even deer during doe killing time) but it makes the rifle longer and barrel heavy. I only hunt suppressed now, though if that gives you any indication.

I Have a number of suppressors, they seem to lengthen the recoil cycle time making it feel softer. A good muzzle break takes A lot more out of the gun, a suppressor makes the recoil less sharp...if that makes since. I will agree on pigs, if you want to shoot more pigs get a suppressor. I hunt with a suppressor about 70% of the time now. So glad Texas let us do that.

Ed

I have a YHM muzzle brake that is the QD for my suppressor. I don't know how effective the muzzle brake is when the suppressor is attached, but the concept seemed like a good idea to me...

What caliber are you shooting? YHM Phantom 30cal cans are rated for magnum rounds and can be had for around $800 including stamp if you look hard.

308 and the QD muzzle brake is just under $100. The QD that comes with the suppressor is a flash hider.

Sorry I was asking the OP what he was shooting. He said $1400-$1500 for a can, that's not the case.

Best deal going!!'

http://www.silencershop.com/shop/aac-762sd/

I have one and a SDN-6... Great suppressors!!!

Ed

I'm not a fan of brakes but my AR in .308 came standard with the Surefire and I can tell a huge difference from the other .30 cals, this rifle weighs 10lbs loaded and it feels like I'm shooting a .556.

Breaks are awesome (spelled that way just to bug Chad )...I won't build a rifle without one. The recoil managment is a given but the gun just behaves better with a brake. It allows you to see what you hit/missed easier too because it helps keep the muzzle where you are when you pulled the trigger.

Having said all of that....I sent my 1st form 4 off in the mail yesterday...so in about 5-6 months I'll play with my suppressor and give you an opinion that way.

Have the 762SD and love it. Like Fireman said, they do add weight and the 762SD is not one of the lighter models.

#$%^&* !@#$% !!! LOL!

A couple pev's of mine=

a muzzle brake, is not spelled break! (we covered that one already!)

a Clip, is not a magazine. A magazine is not a clip!

a "Ballistic Tip" bullet is a bullet only made by NOSLER, and no other company. Other companies make plastic tip bullets, but it is not a ballistic tip.

A male deer has antlers, not horns! There is a difference!

I know of a few more, but that's all I can think of right now. If you talk to me and say "clip" referring to a magazine, you just lost all credibility with me and got docked about 20 shooting IQ points.

I have an AAC SDN6 and love shooting with it. Brakes are nice on recoil but they sure are loud.

You could get a SilencerCo Harvester that has a brake on the end of the suppressor. $750 with the tax stamp. I have one in waiting.
http://www.silencershop.com/shop/silencerco-harvester/

I'm gonna have to take notes to keep up with all your buttons

I honestly never would've thought someone called all poly tipped bullets a ballistic tip, never crossed my mind as such. The antler vs horns I do sometimes just to screw with people and the clip/mag is something that is a funny spot for a lot of people. I don't care what you call it just give it back to me full

That's funny chit!

Now if peeve was spelled right it would all be good!!!!

Thanks guys! I ask because after shooting the 338 WM with the suppressor it got me to thinking about trying a 300wm or 7mag build with a MB on it. I've shied away from magnums since I screwed up my neck because of the recoil. I had two 300 WSMs and had a MB on one of them and they still kicked the crap out of me. But after shooting the 338 I've been thinking I might have had a bad break on the 300wsm I had. So...

Recoil is not good...it might not hurt this time or next time but the cumlative effects of recoil are real. I say this because I used to shoot a lot of sporting clays and I shot some heavy loads before I realized that you really don't need them. A 7/8oz 12ga load will crush anything inside of 40 yards and doesn't have near the recoil. Well after shooting them hard (meaning at least a 1k rounds a month) for 3 years I developed a flinch. 2 out of 100 rounds I couldn't control the trigger, my mind would instruct my finger to pull the trigger when I didn't have the correct sight picture yet. It started off every once in a while and progressed.

To the point I had to quit shooting so much...on a flip side that is why I do the rifle stuff but my point is I had no idea all that recoil in a shotgun (which wasn't much individually but cummulative was a ton) was "hurting" me. It was...

I don't like to shoot anything big anymore....there really isn't a real need for it. As I say, they kill on one end and wound on the other. A guy can get a 6mm or 6.5mm with a suppressor or muzzle break and not have hardly any recoil at all...and be able to hit stuff 1k + yards away.

before I get hammered for that last post...I'm not referring to guys who shoot a box of shells a year, by all means get yourself a big gun. But I shoot thousands of rifle bullets every year...that is when it will cummlatively hurt you. DH61 is shooting quite a bit and that is the reason for my last post, just another perspective is all.

I have a love hate relationship with brakes, as do most people. It helps with flinch, and helps re engage the target, but they are loud and if not careful of where the brake is can cause a lot of cucussion to the shooter. Recently during training I didn't have the barrel cleared of a wall when shooting out the window, mainly because of the trIning we were doing. The break was about 4 inches from the bottom left of the window opening, and with me being a right handed shooter it directed a ton of the blast back onto me. That caused me to flinch bad after the shot and I missed the follow up because it took me too long to settle down.

With that said, I'm looking for a new brake for my 308. It has become my new long range gun, and being such I would like to see my hits. I'm looking at the Precision Armament M11 and M41 of anybody has experience with either

Tangible effects a suppressors has on recoil:

1. The added Length allows more powder to burn
2. Ports inside the Suppressor catch more of the exhaust gas and increase the time until they ultimately leave the firearm
3. Harmonics of the impulse wave are lengthened such that the force is spread out over a longer time
4. Weight

Intangible effects a suppressor has on recoil:

1. Reduction in noise limits the auditory effect on the muscular system to tense up
2. Reduction in flash limits the visual effect on the muscular system to tense up

Bottom line muzzle brakes do a better good of reducing recoil but create a sensory overload on your other sense that result in the feeling of recoil. IMO a suppressed firearm is much easier to shoot and shoot well.

Here's a good example of the surefire brake and suppressor, recoil was low even without the can.