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Hog Hunting State Laws
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07/16/16 08:51 PM
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Carlton
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Would love to hear some input on this situation! We have hog hunters that come to our ranch year round, but do they need a hunting license? If the hogs are depredating, could that be an exception? Below, I have quoted the exact statement made on TPWD website. If we had our hunters sign a "Day Lease" during their hunt could they be considered a lessee? Please leave a comment with your thoughts! Exceptions A hunting license is not required to hunt the following:
Depredating feral hogs, if a landowner (resident or non-resident) or landowner's agent or lessee is taking feral hogs causing depredation on the landowner's land[/b].
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Re: Hog Hunting State Laws
[Re: Carlton]
#6371406
07/16/16 08:56 PM
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Best thing you can do is call a game warden or TPWD.
I would think if they are coming to hunt then they need a license. If they lived on the land and were killing hogs to prevent them from destroying THEIR crops then I'd say no license.
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Re: Hog Hunting State Laws
[Re: Carlton]
#6371448
07/16/16 09:50 PM
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Double Naught Spy
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Are they harvesting meat?
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Re: Hog Hunting State Laws
[Re: Carlton]
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07/16/16 10:51 PM
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Are you hunting over corn ? Taking meat ? Pretty much hunting
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Re: Hog Hunting State Laws
[Re: Carlton]
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07/16/16 11:00 PM
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You can use attractants in depredation hunting, but you can't take any resources away, at least that is what I got from the Tarrant County game warden. So you can take pics, but no meat, hides, tusks, etc.
Of course, I have a feeling that if you are leasing the place to hunt, then you have to have a lease license and therefore the hunters will have to have hunting licenses.
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Re: Hog Hunting State Laws
[Re: Carlton]
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07/17/16 12:32 AM
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Carlton
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Yes we are hunting over corn and most of the time we let them lay.
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Re: Hog Hunting State Laws
[Re: Carlton]
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07/17/16 12:49 AM
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Nice pig picture there Carlton.
Here is the way I look at it: Basic cost of hunting, $50-$100 gas to get to and from hunting location $100-$500 cost of day lease $1000-$1500 crazy rifle with insane scope and gizmos that would make Inspector Gadget envious $1000-$1500 Night vision, thermal stuff and a bag full of tricks (could be $4000-$5000) $100 for corn, beer, ammo and other necessities $25 basic hunting license
The cheapest part of hunting is the license, just have your hunters get a basic license and don't sweat the small stuff.
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Re: Hog Hunting State Laws
[Re: Carlton]
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07/17/16 02:02 AM
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Carlton
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It's not $25 for the majority of our hunters which are non residents of Texas.
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Re: Hog Hunting State Laws
[Re: Carlton]
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07/17/16 02:49 AM
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Ah. Paying license fees is like paying taxes, it is a grueling issue for out of state hunters. Most of our out-of-staters get the $48-5 day license, some have to get the full license at >$300. I am still amazed at how much guys are willing to pay to come to Texas to hunt pigs. I hate to hear "call your local GW" I seems as though they are all going to have a different answer to the same question, a necessary evil.
"Man is still a hunter, still a simple searcher after meat..." Robert C. Ruark
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Re: Hog Hunting State Laws
[Re: Carlton]
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07/17/16 11:48 AM
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What are they depredating besides the corn you sling to attract them?
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Re: Hog Hunting State Laws
[Re: Carlton]
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07/17/16 12:29 PM
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One thing for sure, the Game Warden will not issue a ticket for having a licens. I would not risk looseing my gear and a big fine even over a $300 licens. The licens is a part of the cost of hunting.
Just my opinion of cource.
Thank You Robert
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Re: Hog Hunting State Laws
[Re: Carlton]
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07/17/16 04:12 PM
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Your web site offers hog hunting vs. hog depredation. Also, I'm assuming your clients take meat and skulls for trophy mounts.
So I'd bet the game wardens would write a ticket for someone who shoots a pig with no license at your ranch.
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Re: Hog Hunting State Laws
[Re: Slow Drifter]
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07/17/16 05:47 PM
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Carlton
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You must not be aware of the damages that can be caused by hundreds of hogs.
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Re: Hog Hunting State Laws
[Re: Carlton]
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07/17/16 05:55 PM
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You must not be aware of the damages that can be caused by hundreds of hogs. I'm very aware of the damage hogs cause. We shot over 100 last year on our lease. We shoot hogs on the spot even if we're deer hunting. I was simply pointing out you advertise Hog hunting on your website. The state requires a license when you hunt hogs.
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Re: Hog Hunting State Laws
[Re: bigjoe8565]
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07/17/16 07:40 PM
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Carlton
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We are still "hunting" hogs that are "depredating". That's why I am asking for people's opinions.
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Re: Hog Hunting State Laws
[Re: Carlton]
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07/17/16 07:51 PM
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Do you have a lease license?
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Re: Hog Hunting State Laws
[Re: Carlton]
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07/17/16 08:00 PM
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I wouldn't do it. If I was a game warden or judge you can clearly see you are a hunting operation and that you are trying to cut corners by not paying the state. I personally dont care but a state employee like a judge or GW is most likley not going to allow this for a bunch of out of state hunters. What are you going to do if you tell them they dont need licenses and they get busted? I think you would be responsible for the screw up and would get sued for the fines and legal fees.
This sounds like a bad idea to me!
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Re: Hog Hunting State Laws
[Re: Double Naught Spy]
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07/17/16 08:00 PM
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Do you have a lease license? Are you talking about a lease license for folks who lease their property?
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Re: Hog Hunting State Laws
[Re: bigjoe8565]
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07/17/16 08:10 PM
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Your web site offers hog hunting vs. hog depredation. Also, I'm assuming your clients take meat and skulls for trophy mounts.
So I'd bet the game wardens would write a ticket for someone who shoots a pig with no license at your ranch. This
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Re: Hog Hunting State Laws
[Re: Simple Searcher]
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07/17/16 08:45 PM
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Ah. Paying license fees is like paying taxes, it is a grueling issue for out of state hunters. Most of our out-of-staters get the $48-5 day license, some have to get the full license at >$300. I am still amazed at how much guys are willing to pay to come to Texas to hunt pigs. I hate to hear "call your local GW" I seems as though they are all going to have a different answer to the same question, a necessary evil. I am amazed about how much people pay to hunt period.
hold on Newt, we got a runaway
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Re: Hog Hunting State Laws
[Re: Carlton]
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07/17/16 08:47 PM
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Do you have a lease license? Are you talking about a lease license for folks who lease their property? Yep, Carlton says it is his ranch and that he is charging hunters to come. That would require having a lease license. There are an amazing number of folks who do not get lease licenses. Here is the info... https://tpwd.texas.gov/business/licenses/media/PWD%20850%20Hunting%20Lease%20Info.pdfSo if you are running a hunting operation, bringing in sport hunters on short term leases, then you end up with the situation Bigfoot describes where it really sounds like everyone needs a license. Plus you are not depredation hunting if you take meat, hide, or other parts. You are meat hunting or trophy hunting and that does require a license of the shooter.
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Re: Hog Hunting State Laws
[Re: Bigfoot]
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07/17/16 08:57 PM
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I wouldn't do it. If I was a game warden or judge you can clearly see you are a hunting operation and that you are trying to cut corners by not paying the state. I personally dont care but a state employee like a judge or GW is most likley not going to allow this for a bunch of out of state hunters. What are you going to do if you tell them they dont need licenses and they get busted? I think you would be responsible for the screw up and would get sued for the fines and legal fees.
This sounds like a bad idea to me! I second this
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Re: Hog Hunting State Laws
[Re: n2Deer]
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07/17/16 09:14 PM
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I wouldn't do it. If I was a game warden or judge you can clearly see you are a hunting operation and that you are trying to cut corners by not paying the state. I personally dont care but a state employee like a judge or GW is most likley not going to allow this for a bunch of out of state hunters. What are you going to do if you tell them they dont need licenses and they get busted? I think you would be responsible for the screw up and would get sued for the fines and legal fees.
This sounds like a bad idea to me! I second this "Sign here....press hard, three copies....."
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Re: Hog Hunting State Laws
[Re: Carlton]
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07/17/16 09:56 PM
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From speaking to game wardens, you should expect to be asked specifically what the hogs were doing at the time they were shot. If they were in your barn with their snouts in your feed sacks, no license needed. If they were rooting up your pasture, no license needed. If they were walking across your pasture, or getting a drink at your stock tank, they're not causing depredation so a license is required. Eating some corn you deliberately threw out in order to attract hogs so that you could shoot them? Need a license. OTOH, the wardens with whom I've spoken say there's nothing in the regs that prohibits taking meat from a hog that was shot while causing depredation. YMMV IANAL MTFBWY
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Re: Hog Hunting State Laws
[Re: Carlton]
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07/18/16 04:38 AM
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Honestly anyone that hunts my land will have a valid DL and hunting license.
Big Beckett!!
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