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Question about the neighbors
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11/12/16 06:41 PM
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Arrived at camp Friday to find the neighbors had dumped the remains of a small doe they had shot and cleaned against the fence along side or camp. We've had similar problems in the past where they've dumped predators along the fence for the bodies to stink and rot. Are lease is 650 acres and this location along the fence is the only area with electric and water. They own and live on the property adjoining us and it's much smaller only about acres. They hunt and have 3-4 stands on the property. We've called the game warden and he said because they own the land and were leasers there's nothing he can do about it. I asked him why it's not considered hunter harassment and his reply was they weren't harassing us while we were hunting. I've read the law and my understanding is that doesn't matter that camping is considered a prepatory action and is included in hunter harassment. There are 4 of us on this lease and we all have small kids 5-11 and like to bring them down. It's kind of hard to convince a small child hey lets go down to the lease and smell a rotting carcass all weekend. So I guess my question is what other legal avenue do I possibly have to stop this action?
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Re: Question about the neighbors
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11/12/16 06:42 PM
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Re: Question about the neighbors
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11/12/16 06:50 PM
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Here's what the law states:
(c) No person may intentionally interfere with another person lawfully engaged in the process of hunting or catching wildlife.
(2) “Process of hunting or catching” means any act directed at the lawful hunting or catching of wildlife, including camping or other acts preparatory to hunting or catching of wildlife that occur on land or water on which the affected person has the right or privilege of hunting or catching that wildlife.
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Re: Question about the neighbors
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11/12/16 06:55 PM
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Might be time to talk to your land owner and then to a lawyer. This all legal stuff since your neighbors are a-holes.
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Re: Question about the neighbors
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11/12/16 06:59 PM
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Have you actually talked to them and let them know this is irritating you?
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Re: Question about the neighbors
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11/12/16 07:06 PM
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Was the doe tagged? Was there wasted meat on the Doe?
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Re: Question about the neighbors
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11/12/16 07:08 PM
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The game warden talked to them and they informed him they would continue to do this because we are MLD III and that the state gives us the right to kill every buck in the area. Which indicates his level of intelligence. He told us when we got on this place he did not believe in shooting any does and if we did we'd quit seeing deer.
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Re: Question about the neighbors
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11/12/16 07:10 PM
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There was no tag on the doe. All the meat except the neck had been taken. The warden was told the owners grandson shot the deer of course he wasn't present when the warden talked to the owner.
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Re: Question about the neighbors
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11/12/16 10:27 PM
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The game warden talked to them and they informed him they would continue to do this because we are MLD III and that the state gives us the right to kill every buck in the area. Which indicates his level of intelligence. He told us when we got on this place he did not believe in shooting any does and if we did we'd quit seeing deer. I'm not following this. Neighbor said if you shoot does on your lease, you would stop seeing does. So he shoots does, even though he doesn't believe in it, and leaves the rotting carcus near your camp? And how does his misinterpretation of the MLD III status play into this?
I just turned it on . I was looking bird dogs in the butt this morning.
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Re: Question about the neighbors
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11/13/16 12:47 AM
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There are plenty of ignorant jerks out there that like being jerks...in fact they take great pleasure in being jerks....and believe me...they KNOW they are being jerks...
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Re: Question about the neighbors
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11/13/16 02:30 AM
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I would talk to the person you lease from before you spend all your money on a lawyer. He needs to deal with the neighbors or risk losing money from his lease
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Re: Question about the neighbors
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11/13/16 02:36 AM
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I would talk to the person you lease from before you spend all your money on a lawyer. He needs to deal with the neighbors or risk losing money from his lease yep
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Re: Question about the neighbors
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11/13/16 02:46 AM
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I would say move on and find a new lease. It will never end for you guys. They own the 55 acres and you know they're not going anywhere.
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Re: Question about the neighbors
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11/13/16 03:06 AM
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I would say move on and find a new lease. It will never end for you guys. They own the 55 acres and you know they're not going anywhere. Or this! I was on a bad lease last year and changed...what an amazing difference it makes being on a good lease with good people!
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Re: Question about the neighbors
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11/13/16 03:13 PM
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The game warden talked to them and they informed him they would continue to do this because we are MLD III and that the state gives us the right to kill every buck in the area. Which indicates his level of intelligence. He told us when we got on this place he did not believe in shooting any does and if we did we'd quit seeing deer. I'm not following this. Neighbor said if you shoot does on your lease, you would stop seeing does. So he shoots does, even though he doesn't believe in it, and leaves the rotting carcus near your camp? And how does his misinterpretation of the MLD III status play into this? He told our landowner that it's sad that after two days of hunting that was all his grandson could shoot. Which our landowner knows is not true because the neighbor has an oat field you can see from our camp. Every evening there are multiple deer in that field. He doesn't believe the state knows what they are doing when it comes to managing deer and that if you kill does there will not be any deer left. Our land owner has sat down with him and showed him all the records we keep and explained what we are doing he doesn't believe it's correct. The sad part is we are actually starting to see some difference especially in our young bucks and does.
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Re: Question about the neighbors
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11/13/16 03:51 PM
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The game warden talked to them and they informed him they would continue to do this because we are MLD III and that the state gives us the right to kill every buck in the area. Which indicates his level of intelligence. He told us when we got on this place he did not believe in shooting any does and if we did we'd quit seeing deer. I'm not following this. Neighbor said if you shoot does on your lease, you would stop seeing does. So he shoots does, even though he doesn't believe in it, and leaves the rotting carcus near your camp? And how does his misinterpretation of the MLD III status play into this? He told our landowner that it's sad that after two days of hunting that was all his grandson could shoot. Which our landowner knows is not true because the neighbor has an oat field you can see from our camp. Every evening there are multiple deer in that field. He doesn't believe the state knows what they are doing when it comes to managing deer and that if you kill does there will not be any deer left. Our land owner has sat down with him and showed him all the records we keep and explained what we are doing he doesn't believe it's correct. The sad part is we are actually starting to see some difference especially in our young bucks and does. Can't teach stupid...
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Re: Question about the neighbors
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11/13/16 10:36 PM
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.........because the neighbor has an oat field you can see from our camp....... This could be part of your troubles. Your camp location may not be helping the hunting on his oat field or he at least perceives it that way. Move your camp location off the boundary fence somewhere out of site from his property, then he can't dump carcasses next to your camp anymore. If he still continues to dump carcasses there, put up a stand at the old camp site dedicated for predator calling and call it the lemonade stand.
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Re: Question about the neighbors
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11/14/16 02:03 AM
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Unfortunately the current location is the only on the property with water and electric. You can see the field but it's probably 600 yards away.
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Re: Question about the neighbors
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11/14/16 02:30 AM
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You can't change those who are willfully ignorant.
The neighboring landowner(s), while morally wrong to dump carcasses where they KNOW it will offend....are not 'legally' out of bounds just yet. And frankly, there is little you can do about it.
You'd have a hard time making a successful 'hunter harassment' case out of it at this point.
I'd find another lease and start enjoying yourself and your efforts again.
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Re: Question about the neighbors
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11/14/16 09:31 AM
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it is a no win situation IMO - if you find a way to make him stop doing this he will find something else to bug you with - I would be lease hunting for next season come first of January
You can't fix stupid
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Re: Question about the neighbors
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11/14/16 12:05 PM
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I Feed Indian Corn. The deer love it and all the colors make them stay at the feeder longer.
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Re: Question about the neighbors
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11/14/16 01:58 PM
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The game warden talked to them and they informed him they would continue to do this because we are MLD III and that the state gives us the right to kill every buck in the area. Which indicates his level of intelligence. He told us when we got on this place he did not believe in shooting any does and if we did we'd quit seeing deer. I'm not following this. Neighbor said if you shoot does on your lease, you would stop seeing does. So he shoots does, even though he doesn't believe in it, and leaves the rotting carcus near your camp? And how does his misinterpretation of the MLD III status play into this? He told our landowner that it's sad that after two days of hunting that was all his grandson could shoot. Which our landowner knows is not true because the neighbor has an oat field you can see from our camp. Every evening there are multiple deer in that field. He doesn't believe the state knows what they are doing when it comes to managing deer and that if you kill does there will not be any deer left. Our land owner has sat down with him and showed him all the records we keep and explained what we are doing he doesn't believe it's correct. The sad part is we are actually starting to see some difference especially in our young bucks and does. Now I understand. That's a tough situation.
I just turned it on . I was looking bird dogs in the butt this morning.
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Re: Question about the neighbors
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11/14/16 02:15 PM
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Eh, it kinda sucks, but leaving a carcass on the ground isn't really a legally enforceable offense, in my opinion, as long as he's appropriately harvested the meat. Do you not have vultures and yotes where you hunt? When I leave a carcass, it's GONE (no trace) in a day.
I think you're in a lose/lose situation here. You successfully get LE to make him quit with the carcasses? You're gonna start finding your stuff gone or destroyed or he'll start driving fence lines during prime hunting hours. I understand how the hunter harassment laws read, but there's 2 sides to every argument and in court you may have a much more difficult time proving he didn't need to check his fences and that was when he had spare time. The law protects both sides.
In summary, you may just need to move on.
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Re: Question about the neighbors
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11/14/16 02:42 PM
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On one hand how bad could the smell be? We dump our guts a 100 yards from camp and the buzzards and coyotes keep it cleaned up before it really starts to stink. I would probably find a way to hang a rope or something over the fence and drag it off/under the fence and relocate it to another gut pile. Sounds like talking to him isn't going to get you anywhere.
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Re: Question about the neighbors
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11/14/16 02:54 PM
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He's trying to push your buttons, and sounds like he's accomplishing his agenda. Upside is, you've got access to 650 acres, he's only got his 55, so having your camp near the point of contention is better, leaving your remaining leased land non accessible to the neighbors 'games'. First key is learning to breath, or move along if the smell keeps you from breathing?
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