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 Aging a deer by teeth
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01/05/17 07:09 PM
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Finally got around to doing a European mount for my son's buck. I was curious what yalls thoughts were as to the age of it is based on the teeth.  
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Re: Aging a deer by teeth
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01/05/17 07:11 PM
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You have a pic of the other side of the jaw? One from the top?
Appears to be a mature deer from that pic.
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01/05/17 07:22 PM
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Can't tell from that angle. Need to see the teeth from above to gauge dentene/enamel. Agree with redchevy though, that one pic looks mature. Probably 6.5.
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01/05/17 07:25 PM
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He's old. The fact that the tooth is about where the gum line would be I'd say he's 7.5 at least. Prolly closer to 8.5 though.
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Re: Aging a deer by teeth
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01/05/17 07:28 PM
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I couldn't tell if that tooth was broken or worn from the pic.
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The top is covered in bleaching stuff right now. Here's a pic of the other bottom jaw. Top one is the right side. Bottom is left. 
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They look worn not broken. Stand by...I'll get a pic from the top of the bottom jaws.
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01/05/17 07:34 PM
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Like redchevy said maybe the tooth is broken.
There appears to be a decent tip to most of those teeth. I'm still learning though
Need to see a vertical pic to see more dentine (not sure if that's spelled correctly)
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Re: Aging a deer by teeth
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Post mature deer IMO if I've been taught correctly
Significant wear on the oldest set of teeth (4th from the front)
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Re: Aging a deer by teeth
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Post mature deer IMO if I've been taught correctly
Significant wear on the oldest set of teeth (4th from the front) Yeah I tried to look at pictures of other teeth to figure it out myself but I have never tried to age one like this before. Thanks for the input guys!
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01/05/17 07:43 PM
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I was always taught to look at the bottom jaw for aging. Looks very similar to the buck my wife shot this year, maybe just a touch more wear on this deer and we called hers 5-6 years old. Do we get a peak at the antlers? 
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Re: Aging a deer by teeth
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 Sorry - don't know why they are all coming out sideways. But this was his first time deer hunting and his first deer! He had a blast! It was a 7 pt cull from my friends ranch in south Texas.
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Starting to 2nd guess my post mature estimate. I don't think I've ever seen a deer with that much wear on the 4th set and what appears to be so little wear on the last sets. Wish someone more knowledgeable would chime in, but congrats to the little guy either way. 
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Starting to 2nd guess my post mature estimate.
I don't think I've ever seen a deer with that much wear on the 4th set and what appears to be so little wear on the last sets.
Me either but that's why aging by tooth wear is so hard. They don't all wear the same. I've seen known 6.5 year olds with teeth that looked 3.5 and I've seen known 4 year olds with teeth that looked 6.5. Depends on their diet, soil type, injury and too many other variables to list. I'm going to stick with my initial assessment of 6.5. If you really want to know, pull one of those incisors and send it of for analysis. Only way to know for sure. I recall TPWD getting all their technical guidance biologists together quite a few years ago for this same exercise. Highest accuracy of aging by tooth wear alone was 85%. That was Jimmy Rutledge and none of the other guys were higher than 70%. Most well below that.
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Starting to 2nd guess my post mature estimate.
I don't think I've ever seen a deer with that much wear on the 4th set and what appears to be so little wear on the last sets.
Me either but that's why aging by tooth wear is so hard. They don't all wear the same. I've seen known 6.5 year olds with teeth that looked 3.5 and I've seen known 4 year olds with teeth that looked 6.5. Depends on their diet, soil type, injury and too many other variables to list. I'm going to stick with my initial assessment of 6.5. If you really want to know, pull one of those incisors and send it of for analysis. Only way to know for sure. I recall TPWD getting all their technical guidance biologists together quite a few years ago for this same exercise. Highest accuracy of aging by tooth wear alone was 85%. That was Jimmy Rutledge and none of the other guys were higher than 70%. Most well below that. We worked closely with Jimmy at our place. Very knowledgable.
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01/05/17 08:59 PM
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One of the best ever, George. And as fine a gentleman as you'd ever want to meet.
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Re: Aging a deer by teeth
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01/05/17 09:26 PM
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Starting to 2nd guess my post mature estimate.
I don't think I've ever seen a deer with that much wear on the 4th set and what appears to be so little wear on the last sets.
Me either but that's why aging by tooth wear is so hard. They don't all wear the same. I've seen known 6.5 year olds with teeth that looked 3.5 and I've seen known 4 year olds with teeth that looked 6.5. Depends on their diet, soil type, injury and too many other variables to list. I'm going to stick with my initial assessment of 6.5. If you really want to know, pull one of those incisors and send it of for analysis. Only way to know for sure. I recall TPWD getting all their technical guidance biologists together quite a few years ago for this same exercise. Highest accuracy of aging by tooth wear alone was 85%. That was Jimmy Rutledge and none of the other guys were higher than 70%. Most well below that. Thanks Fouz. I'm not that worried about it. Just curious what yalls thoughts were on it. I had him at 4.5-5.5 on the hoof...but again I'm new to the whole aging thing.
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Re: Aging a deer by teeth
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01/05/17 10:49 PM
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Teeth are the most accurate way to judge deer but it's still not exact. I think deer grind, have bad teeth genes, chew on one side. The environment matters too. Are they eating mostly browse, beans, corn, or cedar. Do they pick up rocks when eating corn etc.
I would have guessed 5-6 before seeing the deer and we age all of our deer from teeth and years on game cams.
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That deer is 3.5 yrs old. You only look at the lingual (tongue) side when aging deer with the jawbone. The outer cusps get a lot more wear because of the way they chew their food. There is a good bit of wear on the 4th tooth, but the 5th tooth is still in pretty good shape. Only one cusp on the right jaw clearly has dentyne wider than the enamel. When the 4th tooth is worn, but not the 5th, its usually safe to call the deer 3.5...
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01/06/17 01:32 PM
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Good info duckkillah, I would call him 3.5 looking at the pic.
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[u][/u][quote][/quote] Sorry - don't know why they are all coming out sideways. But this was his first time deer hunting and his first deer! He had a blast! It was a 7 pt cull from my friends ranch in south Texas. Congrats to your son, great pic!
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Re: Aging a deer by teeth
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01/06/17 01:36 PM
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That deer is 3.5 yrs old. You only look at the lingual (tongue) side when aging deer with the jawbone. The outer cusps get a lot more wear because of the way they chew their food. There is a good bit of wear on the 4th tooth, but the 5th tooth is still in pretty good shape. Only one cusp on the right jaw clearly has dentyne wider than the enamel. When the 4th tooth is worn, but not the 5th, its usually safe to call the deer 3.5... I cant make that tooth wear look anywhere near 3.5. I shot a buck in 2012 that had SIGNIFICANTLY less tooth wear than this deer. Most people who I showed the teeth to said 2-3 years old and I even agreed with them going from teeth alone. But the simple fact is that I had 4 years of running trail camera pictures of him and he weighed almost 180 pounds. Teeth are not always accurate, but ive only seen teeth look younger than they should not the other way around.
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