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High Fencing Casualty #5569100 01/28/15 04:48 PM
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Well. We own a 150 acre farm/ranch that borders a large ranch on three sides and a larger cotton field on one side. We have enjoyed deer hunting on this place for over 50 years and i was hoping my children and grandchildren would as well. Just received word that a larger corporate hunting outfitter has leased the hunting rights to the ranch that we border on three sides and they will be putting up a high fence on all three sides. The cotton farmer on the west side of us put up a high fence several years ago.

That being said we our deer population will take a hit and maybe be non existant. we have no water on our place and the only real use for the place was recreation.

I dont thing a 150 acre ranch will sustain many deer with no water source and very little browse. We cant afford to feed year round.

The high fencing will lower the value of our property now and render it almost useless.


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Put some water on your place. May not be what you wanted but can still work. What county are you in? If it is in an area that supports relatively hi densities you might be ok.


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There is no ground water available we've drilled many dry wells. We have two tanks that hold water for about 2 weeks after a rain. The ranch we border has several wells about 3 miles away from our border and we've tried to negotiate an easement with the rancher to get water to our place but he wanted a pretty penny for it.

He made a low ball offer to buy our land last week. Sadly, we may have to take it. It wouldnt be worth much to anyone but him now.

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Sounds grim. Sad when when their is that much family history in a place.


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Re: High Fencing Casualty [Re: Lipan Creep] #5569121 01/28/15 05:00 PM
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Line your ponds with Bentonite.

Once the fence is up, may tell the neighbor your price went because of the fence, cost allot to HF your 125 acres grin


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Originally Posted By: Western
Line your ponds with Bentonite.

Once the fence is up, may tell the neighbor your price went because of the fence, cost allot to HF your 125 acres grin


We have agreed to pay for our half of the cost of the high fence.

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You can also put in water catchment systems that will keep you in water for wildlife year round if done right.

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Originally Posted By: Lipan Creep
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Line your ponds with Bentonite.

Once the fence is up, may tell the neighbor your price went because of the fence, cost allot to HF your 125 acres grin


We have agreed to pay for our half of the cost of the high fence.


Why would you do that?

What county is this that has no ground water?


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What? why would you pay for a fence that will ruin your place?


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Why dont you sell out to the guy who is putting up the high fence? Given that your cotton neighbor already has a high fence, you might save him alot of money avoiding the cost of new fencing...

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Think yal need to reconsider some of this. I would not pay for 1/2 of that fence.


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Re: High Fencing Casualty [Re: Lipan Creep] #5569183 01/28/15 05:34 PM
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You know I agree he should be responsible for paying his half of the fence. Not a high fence, but the cost of a 5 strand barbed wire. It is the other land owner that choose to go high fence, so you should not be obligated to the to pay more than that normal low fence. I do this with our neighbors and it works out well for everyone.


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Originally Posted By: Lonnie Paul Walker Jr.
You know I agree he should be responsible for paying his half of the fence. Not a high fence, but the cost of a 5 strand barbed wire. It is the other land owner that choose to go high fence, so you should not be obligated to the to pay more than that normal low fence. I do this with our neighbors and it works out well for everyone.


Ok but what if there is nothing wrong with the current low fence?


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There is many angles you can use to raise the price of your land.


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If the fence is in great condition, then no, I would tell him that you do not want him to take out the fence which is half yours, and he needs to slide in his property to build his fence. We slide alot of our fences in on our side because we do not want anyone connecting on to them.


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Re: High Fencing Casualty [Re: Lipan Creep] #5569205 01/28/15 05:44 PM
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No one who espouses the "private property rights" argument in discussing the HF issue can express any sympathy here without being a total hypocrite.


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I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.


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Originally Posted By: Lonnie Paul Walker Jr.
You know I agree he should be responsible for paying his half of the fence. Not a high fence, but the cost of a 5 strand barbed wire. It is the other land owner that choose to go high fence, so you should not be obligated to the to pay more than that normal low fence. I do this with our neighbors and it works out well for everyone.


Please explain to me why he should pay one red cent to the folks who are rendering his land useless and, having done so, are now attempting to take advantage of that fact.


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Why on earth would you pitch in on the fence?

Don't get that at all.

Situation sucks, but that's a risk when you have a property completely surrounded by another one. There's a guy with 15 acres right in the middle of my place and he shoots a lot of animals. I don't really care, but if I wanted to, I could bless him with a 15 acre pen for about 10k of fencing.

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Originally Posted By: Lonnie Paul Walker Jr.
There is many angles you can use to raise the price of your land.

x2

Where is this land located?
1. turn it into a shooting range. charge a cheap annual fee to shoot there. allow full-auto!!
2. any drilling nearby? setup a waste-water disposal site - had friend make million + doing this.

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Originally Posted By: Nogalus Prairie
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You know I agree he should be responsible for paying his half of the fence. Not a high fence, but the cost of a 5 strand barbed wire. It is the other land owner that choose to go high fence, so you should not be obligated to the to pay more than that normal low fence. I do this with our neighbors and it works out well for everyone.


Please explain to me why he should pay one red cent to the folks who are rendering his land useless and, having done so, are now attempting to take advantage of that fact.

The land is not or will ever be rendered useless. Some of the recreational value will be diminished but still not totally useless.


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Originally Posted By: Nogalus Prairie
Originally Posted By: Lonnie Paul Walker Jr.
You know I agree he should be responsible for paying his half of the fence. Not a high fence, but the cost of a 5 strand barbed wire. It is the other land owner that choose to go high fence, so you should not be obligated to the to pay more than that normal low fence. I do this with our neighbors and it works out well for everyone.


Please explain to me why he should pay one red cent to the folks who are rendering his land useless and, having done so, are now attempting to take advantage of that fact.


Lol!!!!!!

What a joke. Useless....lol


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Originally Posted By: Nogalus Prairie
No one who espouses the "private property rights" argument in discussing the HF issue can express any sympathy here without being a total hypocrite.


Sure they could, but they shouldn't do it on this post.


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Originally Posted By: Nogalus Prairie
No one who espouses the "private property rights" argument in discussing the HF issue can express any sympathy here without being a total hypocrite.


I see it as nothing more then a tax right off just grew and property value just went up. If his neighbor mowed down 2000 acres of brush around him and started planting coastal you wouldn't have an issue. Stop focusing on the fence height.

The world is a fast paced, learning to adapt is what has made humans so successful in life.

If we look at something as bad all the time or jaded... Life will sux. You can find a positive in the majority of situations.

His ideal situation has changed, now he can work on a different ideal situation. If you have 1 acre or 100000, acres you will always have adversity to deal with.

This has been doing since they began to deed land and fence in open range.


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I agree with many here. You still own the land and as such can control what you do with your land.
I wouldn't pay for any of the high fence at all - if he wants it put up, he can pay for it.
You can figure out something on water - bring it in, test again for water sources, make your water hole deeper (will retain more water). I think you still have many options available.

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Originally Posted By: BOBO the Clown
Originally Posted By: Nogalus Prairie
No one who espouses the "private property rights" argument in discussing the HF issue can express any sympathy here without being a total hypocrite.


I see it as nothing more then a tax right off just grew and property value just went up. If his neighbor mowed down 2000 acres of brush around him and started planting coastal you wouldn't have an issue. Stop focuses on the fence height.

The world is a fast paced, learning to adapt is what has made humans so successful in life.

If we look at something as bad all the time or jaded... Life will sux. You can find a positive in the majority of situations.



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