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Gun trade/Ethics question
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11/01/15 08:52 PM
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Would like some neutral thoughts on a dilemma that surfaced recently. I met a gentleman I found here on the forum and we did a gun exchange. When I got home I took the gun out to test fire it, but it went click, not boom. Most likely a firing pin. I asked the original owner to split the repair cost and he is hemming and hawing about it. Am I out of line asking for this? Thanks for your thoughts.
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Re: Gun trade/Ethics question
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11/01/15 09:02 PM
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I think that's way better than fair. I have lots of guns, I know each will go bang. I highly doubt the man traded a gun he didn't know wouldn't fire. Did he mention any problem or apparent problem?
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Re: Gun trade/Ethics question
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11/01/15 09:03 PM
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Depends on the agreement you had with the seller. If sold as is, you are out the repairs. No other way to translate that. If the firearm was represented as in good working order, then you asking for help with repair is not beyond reasonable. Without more details on the agreement to purchase, I got nothing else.
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Re: Gun trade/Ethics question
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11/01/15 09:08 PM
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Depends on the agreement you had with the seller. If sold as is, you are out the repairs. No other way the translate that. If the firearm was represented as in good working order, then you asking for help with repair is not beyond reasonable. Without more details on the agreement to purchase, I got nothing else. What he said...
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Re: Gun trade/Ethics question
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11/01/15 10:25 PM
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I agree, it depends on how it was represented. If it was a slight "con" job, I'd ask for my item back and nix the deal. Personally on that kind of deal, I'd do the exchange at a firing range and settle it at the time of swap.
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Re: Gun trade/Ethics question
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11/01/15 10:35 PM
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It's hard to tell from the OP, but have you confirmed there is a problem with the firing pin? I only ask because I've run across numerous bad rounds over the years that wouldn't fire because the primer was set too deep. Have you tried other ammo to see if it will fire them? If there is a problem with the firing pin, I'm with some of the others. It all depends on how it was presented. If it was sold as a normal functioning rifle I would cry foul. If the seller said something like he bought it used and never fired it, I would say it's a buyer beware situation.
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Re: Gun trade/Ethics question
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11/01/15 11:02 PM
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It's hard to tell from the OP, but have you confirmed there is a problem with the firing pin? I only ask because I've run across numerous bad rounds over the years that wouldn't fire because the primer was set too deep. Have you tried other ammo to see if it will fire them? If there is a problem with the firing pin, I'm with some of the others. It all depends on how it was presented. If it was sold as a normal functioning rifle I would cry foul. If the seller said something like he bought it used and never fired it, I would say it's a buyer beware situation. Exactly this.
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Re: Gun trade/Ethics question
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11/01/15 11:48 PM
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I'd NEVER sell a gun that wouldn't shoot and not inform the buyer of that. I don't want to hear that baloney about "buyer beware". It's just wrong. Very wrong.
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Re: Gun trade/Ethics question
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11/01/15 11:53 PM
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I'd NEVER sell a gun that wouldn't shoot and not inform the buyer of that. I don't want to hear that baloney about "buyer beware". It's just wrong. Very wrong. Maybe you missed the part where I said if the seller bought it used and had never fired it. In that scenario I would presume he did not know there was a problem. If he knew there was a problem and didn't disclose it, he's a sorry POS.
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Re: Gun trade/Ethics question
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11/02/15 01:14 AM
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I've bought/traded and sold guns that I had never fired.
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Re: Gun trade/Ethics question
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11/02/15 01:19 AM
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I guess I'm just not the trusting type. I automatically would not believe that the seller didn't know that the gun would not fire. I would instead believe that the seller bought it, found it wouldn't shoot and then flipped it. I guess I'm a quart low on trust, which is the direct result of disappointing experiences with people in the last half century. People will disappoint you.
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Re: Gun trade/Ethics question
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11/02/15 03:01 AM
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I bought a gun on here a couple of years ago from another member. I knew the track record of the model he was selling and I specifically asked him if he ever had any jams or other issues with the gun. He told me no and that it worked perfectly. The price was right and against my better judgement I bought it despite knowing these guns were jamomatics. Sure enough I took it out to shoot it and have only seen one mag that will function in it correctly.
No way the guy was telling the truth when he sold me that gun. That's just the character of some people though and I never bothered to contact him about it because I figured if he lied once he will just lie again.
I would just pay for the repairs out of your own pocket and move on. It sounds like a pretty inexpensive fix and life is too short to have to deal with @$&holes like that more than once.
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Re: Gun trade/Ethics question
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11/02/15 04:26 AM
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i've sold at least one gun to a member that i'd never fired. if it turned out to be inoperable, i'd be inclined to swap back or refund for the sale if need be. i wouldn't knowingly sell anything i knew was defective. kharma and murphy sometimes tag team
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Re: Gun trade/Ethics question
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11/02/15 01:20 PM
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Been screwed several times buying used guns!! Will never purchase another USED gun! My $.02
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Re: Gun trade/Ethics question
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11/02/15 01:35 PM
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NO, he should make things right, maybe he knew, maybe he didn't, the stand up thing for him to do is make it right.
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Re: Gun trade/Ethics question
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11/02/15 01:46 PM
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Did you try multiple types of ammo? Was there a primer strike? Pictures? It may just need a good cleaning. Sometimes carbon and fouling can get on the firing pin. Handgun or rifle?
I think the buyer should want to make it right especially if it's right after you bought it. If it was a year later that would be different.
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Re: Gun trade/Ethics question
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11/02/15 02:08 PM
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I would just pay for the repairs out of your own pocket and move on. It sounds like a pretty inexpensive fix and life is too short to have to deal with @$&holes like that more than once.
Words of wisdom right there. But then again, that's just the way I roll in my elderly years nowadays. About 30 years ago I'd have kicked his sea bass, took his wife out on a romantic dinner, make her pay for it, then whoop his dogs when I took her home.
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Re: Gun trade/Ethics question
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11/02/15 02:26 PM
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I would just pay for the repairs out of your own pocket and move on. It sounds like a pretty inexpensive fix and life is too short to have to deal with @$&holes like that more than once.
Words of wisdom right there. But then again, that's just the way I roll in my elderly years nowadays. About 30 years ago I'd have kicked his sea bass, took his wife out on a romantic dinner, make her pay for it, then whoop his dogs when I took her home.
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Re: Gun trade/Ethics question
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11/02/15 02:54 PM
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I took a gun in trade once. I asked if the gun cycled correctly and was told it did. I traded guns with know accuracy issues and disclosed such at the time of trade. What confused me was the gun I received was worth a couple hundred more than what I was trading. Sure enough went to the range and it jammed first shot. Could not run two rounds without a jam. So I went to the manual and notice the action was dry, no grease at all. Cleaned and greased her up proper and no more jams. Ive shot at least a hundred rounds through her with no problem.
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Re: Gun trade/Ethics question
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11/02/15 04:08 PM
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Re: Gun trade/Ethics question
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11/02/15 08:00 PM
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Could you give more information on the firearm you received? Age and visible condition? If I was buying or trading for a newer firearm, one of the most important questions I would ask would be about how well it fired, what ammo had you used and what type of groups did you get out of it. All imply that it works. If I was buying or trading for an older, or collector firearm, those thing don't matter as much and I wouldn't expect or be too upset if it didn't perform like a new firearm.
I also wonder if it's a firing pin or if there is something else wrong with it. I've never heard of an actual firing pin being broken on a modern firearm. I'm sure it's possible, but I would look at cleaning it super good first. Soak the bolt or wherever the firing pin is located in some carburetor cleaner for a day or two. Then blowing it out with brake cleaner.
Again, what is the weapon and what type of action does it have? Dirt and lack of cleaning is the most likely cause for a misfire if the ammo is good in my opinion
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Re: Gun trade/Ethics question
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11/03/15 03:50 AM
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Some clarifications: Gun is a 1948 Ithaca pump shotgun. Gun was tested with 3 types of ammo, none made a dent in the primers. Gun is in good shape for the age. Deal was done with the understanding both guns were functional, I know for sure mine was and trusted the other gent. Thanks all for opining.
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Re: Gun trade/Ethics question
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11/03/15 04:43 AM
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Yep, he's a douche. He needs to cough up all the repair costs. You were kind only asking for half.
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Re: Gun trade/Ethics question
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11/03/15 05:11 AM
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If I sold or traded a gun that I haven't shot, I would let that be known in the sale/trade and not sale/trade it as a working gun. If I sold a gun that was in working order when I last used it and it didn't work for the new owmer, I would offer a refund and get it repaired myself. From your side of the story, the guy should pay up or trade back. Good luck to you
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