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Know your knots? #5258627 08/18/14 12:39 AM
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As a Fireman I've had to learn and maintian the ability to use many knots. They come easy to me, but I've seen plenty of guys that have a hard time learning them and a harder time remembering them. Knowing a few knots are a valuable tool for the tool box, especially for a hunter. The ones I use most often are, in order:

Bowline (utility)
Butterfly (life safety)
Figure 8 on a bite (life safety)
Square (utility)
Clove hitch (utility)
Double Fisherman (life safety)
Figure 8 on a double bite (life safety)
Water Knot (life safety with webbing)
Figure 8 follow through (life safety)

A life safety knot is (in the fire service) acceptable to rely on for putting the weight of a person. A utility knot is not acceptable. A bowline used to be acceptable and with a safety knot added I'd trust it, but that's not how it is classified any longer. A life safety knot can also be a utility knot, a utility knot can never be a life safety knot.

With those 8 knots I believe you can do anything you will ever need to do with a rope.

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Re: Know your knots? [Re: J.G.] #5258638 08/18/14 12:47 AM
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Good advice, now I need to hit Google and see how to tie these knots!

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Thanks for the heads up. Hey, thanks for the work you do. Your service to keeping us safe is appreciated.

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Originally Posted By: Gone to Texas
Good advice, now I need to hit Google and see how to tie these knots!


Was hoping I wasn't going to be asked to take pics of these knots. That's been done many times. grin


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Re: Know your knots? [Re: Nick1] #5258721 08/18/14 01:29 AM
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Originally Posted By: Nick1
Thanks for the heads up. Hey, thanks for the work you do. Your service to keeping us safe is appreciated.


Thank you for the kind words.


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Re: Know your knots? [Re: J.G.] #5258729 08/18/14 01:32 AM
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I teach knots when I lecture freshman animal science courses. It is a life skill many folks simply do not possess any more.

Most folks would also find quick release knots, clove hitches, and hay/tent knots(basically a way to tie a loop and tighten a rope) handy

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I know it's been said but I'll say it again. Thanks for your service! If you ever make it down this way hit me up and I'll buy ya a beer! cheers


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My Dad was in the Navy so I had to learn how to tie a lot of different knots when I was younger. I have not tied a lot of them in many years now so it would take me some practice to do some of them now.


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Re: Know your knots? [Re: Colt W. Knight] #5258775 08/18/14 01:54 AM
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Dangit!!! Forgot to list the clove hitch! Thank you.

Going back to edit.


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Trucker's hitch, I use every week. Some call it a hay haulers hitch.

Anchor one end with a bowline. In the middle of the line, somewhat close to the other anchor you're going to tie a butterfly. Take the running end through the other anchor back to the butterfly and use the butterfly as a pulley. We need pics here to make it understandable. You then have made a 3:1 haul system with nothing but rope. You can tighten the rope tigher than dicks hatband. That's whay Colt may be referring to on a tent line. I use it to suck down a piece of lumber or steel that's resting on a closed tailgate to keep it from sliding side to side.


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Re: Know your knots? [Re: J.G.] #5258824 08/18/14 02:13 AM
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Thanks for the reminder to brush up on the knot tying. I have had to use my favorite lately AKA the big-o-booger knot.


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I was wondering who it would be that would bring up the "if ya can't tie a knot, tie a lot".

The key factors to a good knot are: easy to recognize, easy to tie, and easy to untie even after being loaded.

The bowline and the butterfly are two that really impress me. I've loaded 1/2" rope tied with those knots with hundreds of pounds and was still able to untie them. I have hung my life off of all of the life safety knots I listed. The highest I've done that is 110 feet. Once you learn how to tie them, and figure out how stout good rope and hardware is it's not as scary as it seems.


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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Trucker's hitch, I use every week. Some call it a hay haulers hitch.

Anchor one end with a bowline. In the middle of the line, somewhat close to the other anchor you're going to tie a butterfly. Take the running end through the other anchor back to the butterfly and use the butterfly as a pulley. We need pics here to make it understandable. You then have made a 3:1 haul system with nothing but rope. You can tighten the rope tigher than dicks hatband. That's whay Colt may be referring to on a tent line. I use it to suck down a piece of lumber or steel that's resting on a closed tailgate to keep it from sliding side to side.


10-4. One of my most used knots.


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Originally Posted By: Nick1
Thanks for the heads up. Hey, thanks for the work you do. Your service to keeping us safe is appreciated.


^^^

Thanks! texas

I'll also buy you a beer if your ever in Fort Worth!

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Most knots are shown but a few used in the fire service are not.


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Backlash that leads to bird's nest. I'm good at those too!


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Yup, know every one of those mention and then a few more. Learned them will on a confined space rescue team and also through the fire service. I would encourage everyone to look these up and become proficient with using them. It may save your life one day


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Yes. These are the ones I think every man the gets out and does things should know. I know many more as well, but didnt want the list to be too overwhelming.

Munter hitch is another handy one to creat a friction brake for lowering. Most guys wont have the carabiners we use but you can get the add-on chain links from TSC or one of the hardware stores that can be pretty handy. Just dont exceed their load rating.


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I know the square knot on that list and I think that's it.

I wasn't a boy scout either. ive never had trouble with stuff I tied down comin loose I think i'll be ok.


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"A knot is not a knot without a safety knot."

I love the butterfly. Makes me wonder why the "put a loop in it" knot (the one that you can't ever get out once loaded) is ever taught...

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New Year.


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I use the perfection loop and the Davey Knot fishing. Need to start using the Double Davey for larger hooks.

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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
New Year.

Yep we were just discussing doing high angle. We need to couple times year to stay fresh!


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