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powder burn rate #6857514 08/15/17 08:12 PM
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chart I have does not list Reloader 16 and BL-C(2). Can someone post where these two fall in their chart?


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I use this burn rate chart all the time. Alliant does not post up a lot of their newer powders, which stinks, and I have spoken to them about this. R16 is real close the H4350 and IMR 4350 burn rates. You can compare the powder charges with the bullet weights of the various rounds in the Alliant link with R16 to get more info.

https://www.hodgdon.com//wp-content/uploads/2017/01/burnratecolor.pdf

http://www.alliantpowder.com/downloads/RL16_Initial_Loads.pdf


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Here's some more info on R16:
http://www.alliantpowder.com/products/powder/reloder16.aspx

Repeatable long-range accuracy demands propellant that behaves consistently across temperature extremes. Alliant Powder® Reloder 16, like Reloder 23 and AR Comp™, accomplishes this world-class stability using TZ® technology. It manipulates the response of the material and resists the natural tendency to generate more pressure at higher temperatures and less pressure at lower temperatures. The Reloder 16 burn rate is slightly faster than that of Reloder 17, well within the 4350 burn speed band. This makes it ideal for traditional hunting cartridges such as 30-06 Spring. and 270 Win., as well as 6.5mm target loads and tactical applications where temperature stability is required.


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Re: powder burn rate [Re: BassCat'99] #6857625 08/15/17 09:32 PM
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Chad, where is Reloader 26 on the burn rate chart?


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I've used enough Re26 to give a reasonable guess, and I'd say it's somewhere between Re22 and IMR7828.

I'll also opine that it is a really great powder in the .280 Remington and should be every bit as good in the .270 Winchester, and it easily edges out the old standby---H4831, in those two cartridges.


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Re: powder burn rate [Re: BassCat'99] #6857671 08/15/17 10:03 PM
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Thanks RR, RL26 is very very hard to find up here. I asked about 16 but that was wrong. I'm trying to find a accessible powder for my 22 Creed. 26 was recommended but it's over 100 miles to someone who had it.


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R26 should be really close the 7828 and R25 burn rates. R26 is certainly faster burning than H1000, but slower than the R22 and 4831 burn rates.


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Re: powder burn rate [Re: BassCat'99] #6857741 08/15/17 10:57 PM
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It's a shame you don't have another rifle or two you could use Re26 in, or do you?? If you did, you might be able to justify an online order of about eight pounds.


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Re: powder burn rate [Re: BassCat'99] #6857846 08/16/17 12:25 AM
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My rifles are .308 bolt, 6.5 CM bolt and gas, .243 bolt, 22CM bolt, 22-250 bolt and .223 bolt and gas. I'm planning on Varget for .308 and 22-250, H4350 for 6.5CM and .243 and have 748 and BL-C(2) for the .223's. I'm really considering using the H4350 for the 22CM.


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4350 will work in the 22 CM just fine, but you won't get all the velocity you could if you went with a slower burning powder.


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Re: powder burn rate [Re: BassCat'99] #6857913 08/16/17 01:26 AM
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Would it have sufficient velocity to drop coyotes with a 75g Amax? That is all I'm looking for. If I dropped down to a 65gr I could pick up a little speed, also this is coming out a 22" suppressed barrel.


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I think you'd be giving up about 150 fps or more going with H4350. I AM going by what QuickLOAD says about the .22-243 because .22 Creedmoor is not in the database (if it is I need to go see the optometrist). I believe case capacity is comparable. If that is correct, then I've seen something odd in powder profile results like I can't recall having ever seen: of the powders listed in order of velocity potential, my first three picks would have been Re26, Re23, and Re16. The only other powder between those three I might consider is Retumbo, but I don't think you'd get enough in the case to do much good. The spread from Re26 to Re16 is about 100 fps, advantage going to Re26, of course.

I've used both Re16 and Re26 in other cartridges and I'd encourage anyone to try them. Oddly enough I do not believe I've ever heard a peep about Re23, good or bad, nor have I seen it available anywhere (as in, on a shelf in a retail establishment).


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Originally Posted By: BassCat'99
Would it have sufficient velocity to drop coyotes with a 75g Amax? That is all I'm looking for. If I dropped down to a 65gr I could pick up a little speed, also this is coming out a 22" suppressed barrel.



I was typing while you were, BC, so I did not see this until I posted the above.

IF my assumption of similarity between .22-243 and .22 Creedmoor is correct, you should be able to achieve close to 3200 fps using the 75-grain A-Max / H4350 in a 24-inch barrel. You could even limit yourself to 3100 and have plenty of horsepower to put down a coyote, I think. farmer


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Originally Posted By: BassCat'99
Would it have sufficient velocity to drop coyotes with a 75g Amax? That is all I'm looking for. If I dropped down to a 65gr I could pick up a little speed, also this is coming out a 22" suppressed barrel.


My 22-250 is 24" plus 10" suppressor. Varget makes a 75 gr A-Max leave at 3200 fps MV.

Use the guys data above to figure an approximate velocity loss based on what I mentioned and what they provided.

But really, if the 75 gr A-Max is nothing more than super-sonic, it'll kill coyotes.


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Would it have sufficient velocity to drop coyotes with a 75g Amax? That is all I'm looking for. If I dropped down to a 65gr I could pick up a little speed, also this is coming out a 22" suppressed barrel.



I was typing while you were, BC, so I did not see this until I posted the above.

IF my assumption of similarity between .22-243 and .22 Creedmoor is correct, you should be able to achieve close to 3200 fps using the 75-grain A-Max / H4350 in a 24-inch barrel. You could even limit yourself to 3100 and have plenty of horsepower to put down a coyote, I think. farmer


You are correct, reloader 26 works very well with the 22 Creed but others will work well also. For the 22-243 you can use the data for the 223WSSM virtually same capacity but finding 75gr or heavier data will be scarce. There are other powders that will get plenty of speed for your 22Creed to kill coyoties of cource.


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Re: powder burn rate [Re: BassCat'99] #6858045 08/16/17 02:57 AM
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I'm thinking for the time being I'm going with H4350 and keep my RL26 in reserve if this just does not pan out. I really appreciate every one of ya'll comments and info, people who make up the THF are the best. Thanks everyone up


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Alliant 4000MR is another powder that does really well in 22Creedmoor.
Also someone above mentioned Reloder 23 in the 22CM and it shot great in mine but velocity was down similar to H4350 results.


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I ran rl23 in my 6 creed with 105's it seemed around the 4831 burn rate.


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Did it perform well, dee? And have you used it in other applications?


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