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Why I shoot Rage (also have a question) #6321474 06/03/16 05:19 PM
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Not knocking on any other broadhead, I like what I've shot and seen being shot, and Rage 2-blade is the majority of that. However, all Rage kills I've seen or done have been complete pass throughs, with the exception of a forward facing, into-chest-cavity elk cow that was really only being held by the skin on the other side (entry in front of left shoulder, "exit" by right hindquarter), but most of these were not pass throughs and in fact seemed to have very little penetration. Why is my experience different.

Also, I know the Rage horror stories and I know that Rage would only put up their own successful clips, but still impressive cuts and trails/recoveries.

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DISLAIMER: only for pleasure viewing. I realize there is a lot of product placement and there's no way on Earth I'd shoot a Lion with Rage. I don't agree with some stuff as I'm sure y'all won't either, but it is fun to see short track jobs and lotsa blood. smile

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Lots of people use too light of a setup (total arrow weight combined with short draw and low poundage). Also many slap on a rage without tuning first which is a terrible idea. If it's not hitting the target square it's losing lots of energy in a hurry. If all of the above happens at once it's a recipe for lost animals. I shoot some hypodermics but always tune good enough to shoot fixed heads first. I also shoot 65lb at 29.5 draw and at 434gr arrow I'm at the lightest arrow I would use and be comfortable for big game. I generally shoot closer to 500gr.

Rage also has a new hypodermic out that is 1.5" cut now that would be much better for lighter setups.


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And heavy bone will stop a Rage. The buck I killed last year I took out the heart and the bh hit the leg bone on the opposite side while exiting and stopped. The buck kicked it out when he mule kicked twice.


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Re: Why I shoot Rage (also have a question) [Re: chital_shikari] #6321978 06/04/16 12:54 AM
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Hm, interesting.
So that means that my witnessed full pass throughs are because I have my arrow set up correctly and my bow tuned properly? I'm at 65lb on a 28" draw, shooting Axis 340s and using 2-blade 100gr Rage.

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I don't know. I'm drawing 26.5" at 60 lbs and I got passthru shots on some doe, a management buck and a red hind. Just kept it off their shoulders.


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My son shot this buck with a rage broadhead back when he was 16yrs old

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Cool. Is that Cody? I thought he was a NAP Killzone or Grim Reaper guy lol.

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Only shot rage once and not a big fan. Shot a little forward on a good northeast Texas buck a few years ago hit it dead in the shoulder and broadhead didn't penetrate for crap. Only had about 6 inches of arrow in him. Now I shoot muzzy trocars and love them.


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Yes, I had bad experiences with the older Rage heads as well. But seeing the large holes a blood highways left by the the last two years on this bow lease encouraged me to try again.

I would also add that I think fixed blade COC are better heads for many types of game. Southern whitetails are fairly thin skinned and boned. Elk, moose or even big pigs I want something solid on the end of my arrow.


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Re: Why I shoot Rage (also have a question) [Re: chital_shikari] #6326417 06/07/16 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted By: chital_shikari
Hm, interesting.
So that means that my witnessed full pass throughs are because I have my arrow set up correctly and my bow tuned properly? I'm at 65lb on a 28" draw, shooting Axis 340s and using 2-blade 100gr Rage.


Sounds like good setup.

The leg bones will stop just about every head though if you hit them square. I've hit the frontside leg bone and it stopped a slick trick dead in its tracks at 70/30 and a FMJ arrow. Got lucky and that deer showed back up later in the year and I got him though.


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I quit using rages the third time I had the blades open up while I was drawing back

I use rocket sidewinders and hammerheads

I shoot a lighter arrow 26.5" 8.4 gpi and a 100 grain tip @ 72 lbs and have had a pass thru on everything I've shot, including an antelope at 84 yards.


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Yeah, the old O ring system was questionable for sure.


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I stopped using them a few years back when the blades wouldn't open up correctly. I eventually found the deer but not a good cut on either side. If I shoot mechanical I use swackers but mainly use slick tricks.

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I definitely prefer the new shock collar system. The o-rings were crap. I have had the blades of Rage Extremes break off when sticking a pig but I found the pig and it sprayed blood everywhere. I seriously think they are just the ticket for thin skinned 100 lb Texas whitetails.


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Wow.

I'm hunting with BowsnRods on Thanksgiving weekend, thinking about picking up some Hypodermics; are they worth the extra $4.99?

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Not in my opion. I prefer the Rage SC model. Punched a doe at 20 yards today. She went about 10'. One of our guys shot a nice 4yo this morning through the liver. The hypodermic blades broke of where they thin out. Exit wound was about an inch. Blood trail was almost non existent. One of the guys stumbled on the deer. It went 350 to 400 yards.


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Originally Posted By: passthru
Not in my opion. I prefer the Rage SC model. Punched a doe at 20 yards today. She went about 10'. One of our guys shot a nice 4yo this morning through the liver. The hypodermic blades broke of where they thin out. Exit wound was about an inch. Blood trail was almost non existent. One of the guys stumbled on the deer. It went 350 to 400 yards.
Good to know, read some stuff about Hypodermics not opening either, with pictures. Gonna grab the SC, then.

I've had good luck with the old 40KE and original 2-blade as well as the SC.

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Good luck.

My personal experience with Rage will keep me from ever using one, even if someone gave them to me. I have seen the failures first hand and with folks that I have hunted with. I have also seen some great open wounds and good blood trails. Hope you always experience the later cheers


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Originally Posted By: txshntr
Good luck.

My personal experience with Rage will keep me from ever using one, even if someone gave them to me. I have seen the failures first hand and with folks that I have hunted with. I have also seen some great open wounds and good blood trails. Hope you always experience the later cheers
Thank you!

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I killed a buck opening day with a rage and as the deer was running off I could see the fire hydrant flow of red coming out of the animal as it fled. The buck went only 50 yards, and a half blind person could follow the blood trail.
It's a mechanical and in my opinion there is always going to be a chance of failure, and having used different brands over the years it doesn't make a difference what type of mechanical you use it's going to happen.
I've been using them for several seasons and I can't say I've recovered all the animals I've taken with them because there has been a couple I can think of I didn't recover, but I can't put all the blame on the broadhead.
If there is a silver bullet out there, I'm sure it will be just a short while when all the others will soon be out of business.



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I have used the 2 blade Rage, and will never use them again. And even more, I will never use a mechanical ever again. Simple physics- The larger the opening, the more the broadhead comes into contact with, and limits it penetration. Sure, it sounds great in theory, but you take a 2, 3 or 4 blade fixed broad head with a 7.8" or 1" cutting diameter, it will penetrate like no other. I want a pass through when bow hunting. Mechanical broad heads have not given me that. And the Rage was the worst one I have used. I have also had the blades come open and notice it when I draw on an animal. Fixed blades won't do this.


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Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42
I have used the 2 blade Rage, and will never use them again. And even more, I will never use a mechanical ever again. Simple physics- The larger the opening, the more the broadhead comes into contact with, and limits it penetration. Sure, it sounds great in theory, but you take a 2, 3 or 4 blade fixed broad head with a 7.8" or 1" cutting diameter, it will penetrate like no other. I want a pass through when bow hunting. Mechanical broad heads have not given me that. And the Rage was the worst one I have used. I have also had the blades come open and notice it when I draw on an animal. Fixed blades won't do this.


What poundage are you pulling?

I am a believer in mechanicals just has to be the right design

Over the top, o ring secured with a chisel tip from a heavy poundage bow you shouldn't have any issues


Fixed blades work of course but IME they don't leave the holes a mechanical does


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70# Mathews. I was running 252 fps before I replaced my limbs, and now I'm certain I'm faster than that, since my draw weight increased and my sight spacing is less from my old drop. I've just had really good kills and performance from my fixed blades. Years ago, I started with the 2 blade Muzzy broad heads, and they penetrate like crazy and were very effective. I tried a variety of other fixed blades, and they worked well. I went to the Rage, and have had nothing but issues. I have gone back to my fixed blades, and I don't plan to switch again now.


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