Lots of guys selling them on Sniper's Hide as well as the Rifle Scope Trader page on Facebook. I'd look around if you are okay with used and want a deal.

I wonder why they are selling them if they are so great.

Gear chasers.

There are guys that cannot wait to get the newest thing released. They get it, maybe mount it on a rifle, shoot it little to none, and are off to the next new thing.

And then there are those of us waiting on the sidelines to take advantage of their "used" scope prices.

Schmitt & Bender PMII
Nightforce ATACR
Steiner
Kahles
SS
Burris
Vortex
Bushnell

^^top teir line of every manufacturer can be had "used".

I wonder why they are selling them if they are so great.

I'm not sure where you go from NightForce. Schmidt & Bender?

And Kahles, and Tangent Theta.

Word is Kahles is Swaro glass, but in a scope that the turrets actually track and return to zero and a useful reticles.

Not exactly Jason. Only involvement Swarovski has with Kahles is handling importing and distribution in North America. As far as manufacturing...Kahles and Swarovski both utilize Schott Optical for lenses and the process in which the lenses are prepared and installed is totally different.

Thought I could count on my source. I was told, if Swaro needs glass, they'll borrow from Kahles, and vice versa.

US optics would be where you go from Nightforce

US optics would be where you go from Nightforce

They are in financial trouble. Probably because of their scopes breaking down so often. U.S. Optics is a down grade from Nightforce.

I don't know if they are in financial trouble but I they did just switch ownership and relocated to a friendlier state. They had a few growing pains with the new lineup but I haven't heard much bad press lately.

US optics would be where you go from Nightforce

Uh, no! Sorry, but you will not see a USO scope on any of my rifles. I have seen way too many of them take a dump in the middle of a match. Even by sponsored USO shooters. Price point, maybe. But by reliability, no way! Just because something is more expensive, doesn't mean that it is better or equally as good as something else.

We both know the same people that I have had some conversations with. And they are reputable people...

I know nothing about Night Force stuff. Where does their SHV line fall with Leupold VX5-HD? I'm talking light gathering, clarity, durability........hunting related attributes. Midway USA has one, 3-10x 42 30mm for $850 as I recall.

Cabelas had a 3-10 SHV in their bargain cave. The glass looked pretty good to me but I didn’t like the MOA reticle. Seemed like it would disappear in brushy areas. Now, they are offering it with illumation which is great.

The leupold will probably be a little more clear. Mechanics on NF probably a little better.

The turrets feel a little soft to me. That's the only thing that has kept me from buying one. Several have told me they track just fine, and return to zero, I just cant get over how they feel. The glass is quite nice!

For me to choose NF over Leupold VX5HD at this price point, it would have to beat it on low light clarity. I wouldn't know, hard to make this determination without a real world side by side comparison. It'd be cool to have about 5-6 different rifles all with different optics on bipods with about 2 minutes of shooting light left.

Took my 6.5CM w/ Nightforce ATACR out to the range on Saturday. Gun shot great and scope tracked damn near perfectly. Zero stop was very easy to set up.

I am hoping the NF ATACR is like a Lodge cast iron skillet. You have made a friend for life.

Took my 6.5CM w/ Nightforce ATACR out to the range on Saturday. Gun shot great and scope tracked damn near perfectly. Zero stop was very easy to set up.