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#7243923 - 08/03/18 08:45 AM Baiting Question
PoppinPiggies Offline
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How far do you have to be away from a deer feeder so as not to run the risk of being accused of baiting while dove hunting?
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#7243936 - 08/03/18 08:58 AM Re: Baiting Question [Re: PoppinPiggies]
unclebubba Offline
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I can't find anything in writing, but for some reason, "out of sight, and 300 yards" seems to be sticking in my mind.
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#7243940 - 08/03/18 09:01 AM Re: Baiting Question [Re: PoppinPiggies]
syncerus Offline
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One would think that out of sight and out of shotgun range would be a reasonable definition, but well out of shotgun range might also be reasonable. Maybe call a warden and ask?
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#7243963 - 08/03/18 09:13 AM Re: Baiting Question [Re: PoppinPiggies]
Gulfgoose Offline
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Registered: 01/10/18
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I'd call TPWD. Even if you are 600 yards away and shooting birds going to that feeder things could get iffy the way the rules are written.

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#7243968 - 08/03/18 09:16 AM Re: Baiting Question [Re: PoppinPiggies]
Herbie Hancock Offline
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A hunter may not:

hunt migratory birds with the aid of bait, or on or over any baited area
hunt over any baited area until 10 days after all baiting materials have been removed


Very very gray of what it means over a baited area with it being a deer feeder. I would be far from that feeder, since it would be hard proving it's been turned off for 10 days.

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#7243983 - 08/03/18 09:25 AM Re: Baiting Question [Re: PoppinPiggies]
PoppinPiggies Offline
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Loc: North Texas
Yeah, there are deer feeders spread across the ranch and none of them will be turned off for the sake of dove hunting. I see hunting over bait as being close enough to shoot a bird on the bait or descending on the bait. All this seems to be a little grey and I guess could fall under the discretion of the GW and what mood he is in on any given day. Do ya'll think out of sight and 200-300 yards would be safe?
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#7244011 - 08/03/18 09:40 AM Re: Baiting Question [Re: Herbie Hancock]
Guy Offline
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Originally Posted By: Herbie Hancock
A hunter may not:

hunt migratory birds with the aid of bait, or on or over any baited area

Itís really as simple as this. Distance from bait does not matter. If you have birds going to bait area, and you pattern the birds going to/from baited area and kill them 2 miles away, you are ďhunting migratory birds with the aid of baitĒ.

If you donít have birds goin to the deer feeder I would not worry about it. If the deer feeder pulling in birds, that could be a problem.

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#7244028 - 08/03/18 09:48 AM Re: Baiting Question [Re: Guy]
Herbie Hancock Offline
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Originally Posted By: Guy
Originally Posted By: Herbie Hancock
A hunter may not:

hunt migratory birds with the aid of bait, or on or over any baited area

Itís really as simple as this. Distance from bait does not matter. If you have birds going to bait area, and you pattern the birds going to/from baited area and kill them 2 miles away, you are ďhunting migratory birds with the aid of baitĒ.

If you donít have birds goin to the deer feeder I would not worry about it. If the deer feeder pulling in birds, that could be a problem.


By saying that aren't we all breaking that law every time we hunt, since you may be hunting near a property with deer feeders that you don't know about?

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#7244031 - 08/03/18 09:49 AM Re: Baiting Question [Re: Guy]
PoppinPiggies Offline
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Registered: 02/08/18
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Loc: North Texas
Originally Posted By: Guy
Originally Posted By: Herbie Hancock
A hunter may not:

hunt migratory birds with the aid of bait, or on or over any baited area

Itís really as simple as this. Distance from bait does not matter. If you have birds going to bait area, and you pattern the birds going to/from baited area and kill them 2 miles away, you are ďhunting migratory birds with the aid of baitĒ.

If you donít have birds goin to the deer feeder I would not worry about it. If the deer feeder pulling in birds, that could be a problem.


This isn't my situation, but say you are dove hunting on a small property and and the birds roost to the north fly over your property on their way south to a deer feeder on the neighbors property a mile away. Then based on your claim it would be illegal to shoot them.... I just see this as possibly making it impossible to know if you are hunting legally if it is as plain as "if a bird goes to a feeder than it is illegal to shoot"
I will have dove visit my deer feeders but that is just whats gonna happen when you have corn on the ground in areas dove frequent. Now I am not skilled enough to tell one dove from another, so if I shoot a dove I will not know whether or not it is one that visits a feeder.
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#7244035 - 08/03/18 09:50 AM Re: Baiting Question [Re: PoppinPiggies]
Guy Offline
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Originally Posted By: PoppinPiggies
I see hunting over bait as being close enough to shoot a bird on the bait or descending on the bait.

There are 2 parts to the rule, 1) you cannot hunt over bait area (if there are birds going to bait or not), and 2) you cannot use baited area as an aid. Your statement address #1. But if you got birds goin to the bait, they could get you with number 2, regardless of distance from feeder.

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#7244079 - 08/03/18 10:30 AM Re: Baiting Question [Re: Herbie Hancock]
Guy Offline
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Originally Posted By: Herbie Hancock
Originally Posted By: Guy
Originally Posted By: Herbie Hancock
A hunter may not:

hunt migratory birds with the aid of bait, or on or over any baited area

Itís really as simple as this. Distance from bait does not matter. If you have birds going to bait area, and you pattern the birds going to/from baited area and kill them 2 miles away, you are ďhunting migratory birds with the aid of baitĒ.

If you donít have birds goin to the deer feeder I would not worry about it. If the deer feeder pulling in birds, that could be a problem.


By saying that aren't we all breaking that law every time we hunt, since you may be hunting near a property with deer feeders that you don't know about?

Maybe. If birds are poring into baited area, and federal GW gets a call to investigate, and your are on the next ranch over smacking birds going to bated area, you can bet he is going to get ya.

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#7244091 - 08/03/18 10:47 AM Re: Baiting Question [Re: PoppinPiggies]
Barny Topwater Offline
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Loc: New Braunfels TX USA
I would ask the GW in the area you plan to hunt his definition of the law. He/she would be the one enforcing it.
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#7244186 - 08/03/18 12:03 PM Re: Baiting Question [Re: Barny Topwater]
Guy Offline
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Originally Posted By: Barny Topwater
I would ask the GW in the area you plan to hunt his definition of the law. He/she would be the one enforcing it.

Good idea for local state GW. Good luck getting a fed GW to come visit. Fed GW is like the IRS, they show up at your front door, they are going to find something. They are not making a trip to your place for the fun of it.

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#7244203 - 08/03/18 12:21 PM Re: Baiting Question [Re: PoppinPiggies]
Guy Offline
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Registered: 12/06/05
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Loc: Lake X
Originally Posted By: PoppinPiggies
Originally Posted By: Guy
Originally Posted By: Herbie Hancock
A hunter may not:

hunt migratory birds with the aid of bait, or on or over any baited area

Itís really as simple as this. Distance from bait does not matter. If you have birds going to bait area, and you pattern the birds going to/from baited area and kill them 2 miles away, you are ďhunting migratory birds with the aid of baitĒ.

If you donít have birds goin to the deer feeder I would not worry about it. If the deer feeder pulling in birds, that could be a problem.


This isn't my situation, but say you are dove hunting on a small property and and the birds roost to the north fly over your property on their way south to a deer feeder on the neighbors property a mile away. Then based on your claim it would be illegal to shoot them.... I just see this as possibly making it impossible to know if you are hunting legally if it is as plain as "if a bird goes to a feeder than it is illegal to shoot"
I will have dove visit my deer feeders but that is just whats gonna happen when you have corn on the ground in areas dove frequent. Now I am not skilled enough to tell one dove from another, so if I shoot a dove I will not know whether or not it is one that visits a feeder.

Iím just giving facts per your original question, how far do you need to be away from feeder. And fact is, distance is purposely left out of the regulation. If distance was in there, say 600 yards, you can bet barney would be gaming the system, he would bring a dump truck in full of bird seed, dump in the middle of his ranch, and make 600 yard circle with all his buddies around the pile of seed.

But in reality, I have never seen dove going to a feeder. Not anything significant to worry about. I have hunted dove and duck on private property with deer feeders, never saw birds going to feeder, so I did not worry about.

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#7244225 - 08/03/18 12:52 PM Re: Baiting Question [Re: PoppinPiggies]
rickym Offline
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Registered: 06/14/15
Posts: 5939
Loc: texas
Call your GW and ask him/her. Iíve spoken with game wardens in every county I hunt and have gotten mixed answers, from out of sight to 500 yards. The one doesnít care if Iím 50 yards around the corner as long as the feeder is out of sight, while others say be 150+ yards and best if I just quit feeding. One says 500 yards and canít be shooting birds on the flight line towards the feeder. Itís all about your game warden, so give him a call.
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