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#7242162 - 08/01/18 03:17 PM Range time - 6.5 Creedmoor
TackDriver Offline
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6.5 Creedmoor
H4350 - 42.0 grains
140 Berger Hybrids
10 mph variable headwind / 90 degrees

300 yards - 5 shots and I cannot explain that flyer. whip



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#7242238 - 08/01/18 04:22 PM Re: Range time - 6.5 Creedmoor [Re: TackDriver]
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When an unexplained flyer occurs, remove that piece of brass and toss it.

The unexplained flyers will become less common.

The shooter induced flyers will still be a fact of life.

Nice shooting! up
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#7242243 - 08/01/18 04:26 PM Re: Range time - 6.5 Creedmoor [Re: TackDriver]
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Very nice, except for the flier!!!

Do you know which shot it was? Last shot? Years ago when I shot 260 Rem, I would get a strange weird flier. I marked the case, and reloaded it and tested it again. Sure enough, that same case would cause a flier. I marked it, and used it as a fouling piece of brass. I just kept track of that piece and made sure I didn't use it.
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#7242284 - 08/01/18 05:11 PM Re: Range time - 6.5 Creedmoor [Re: TackDriver]
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Interesting. Back in the 80ís when I was loading and shooting for my 220 Swift heavy barrel M77, I bought loaded Norma ammo and shot it and reloaded. When I got fliers, I marked them like Jeffbird, and if it happened again I tossed them. I finally wound up with some great cases, and with Norma I got a lot of reloads out of them, and almost eliminated the fliers. But...from time to time the uhhhh sun was in my eyes...and there would be a flier.

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#7242287 - 08/01/18 05:17 PM Re: Range time - 6.5 Creedmoor [Re: TackDriver]
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Tack, whats the barrel length of your rifle? What muzzle velocity are you getting with 42.0 H4350?


Edited by Buzzsaw (08/01/18 05:19 PM)
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#7242293 - 08/01/18 05:27 PM Re: Range time - 6.5 Creedmoor [Re: ChadTRG42]
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Originally Posted By: jeffbird
When an unexplained flyer occurs, remove that piece of brass and toss it.


Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42
Years ago when I shot 260 Rem, I would get a strange weird flier. I marked the case, and reloaded it and tested it again. Sure enough, that same case would cause a flier. I marked it, and used it as a fouling piece of brass. I just kept track of that piece and made sure I didn't use it.


Why didn't yall tell me this sooner!?!
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#7242294 - 08/01/18 05:28 PM Re: Range time - 6.5 Creedmoor [Re: TackDriver]
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TackDriver,

That's what it's supposed to do. Good loading, and good shooting! up
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#7242307 - 08/01/18 05:48 PM Re: Range time - 6.5 Creedmoor [Re: TackDriver]
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Originally Posted By: TackDriver
10 mph variable headwind / 90 degrees

TackDriver, you're saying the wind was changing between a headwind and 90 degree crosswind? Either way, very nice shooting. I have a rifle that can do that. I can't.

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#7242321 - 08/01/18 06:00 PM Re: Range time - 6.5 Creedmoor [Re: FiremanJG]
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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Originally Posted By: jeffbird
When an unexplained flyer occurs, remove that piece of brass and toss it.


Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42
Years ago when I shot 260 Rem, I would get a strange weird flier. I marked the case, and reloaded it and tested it again. Sure enough, that same case would cause a flier. I marked it, and used it as a fouling piece of brass. I just kept track of that piece and made sure I didn't use it.


Why didn't yall tell me this sooner!?!


No chit! I'll end up tossing half of my brass! bang

Nice shooting Tackdriver!
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#7242387 - 08/01/18 07:07 PM Re: Range time - 6.5 Creedmoor [Re: FiremanJG]
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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Originally Posted By: jeffbird
When an unexplained flyer occurs, remove that piece of brass and toss it.


Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42
Years ago when I shot 260 Rem, I would get a strange weird flier. I marked the case, and reloaded it and tested it again. Sure enough, that same case would cause a flier. I marked it, and used it as a fouling piece of brass. I just kept track of that piece and made sure I didn't use it.


Why didn't yall tell me this sooner!?!


Notice that Chad won that last match? He still is holding onto a few trade secrets and the whole world's supply of F210M's!
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#7242396 - 08/01/18 07:20 PM Re: Range time - 6.5 Creedmoor [Re: TackDriver]
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It's no secret. It's been in published material for years.
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#7242408 - 08/01/18 07:27 PM Re: Range time - 6.5 Creedmoor [Re: jeffbird]
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Originally Posted By: jeffbird
Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Originally Posted By: jeffbird
When an unexplained flyer occurs, remove that piece of brass and toss it.


Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42
Years ago when I shot 260 Rem, I would get a strange weird flier. I marked the case, and reloaded it and tested it again. Sure enough, that same case would cause a flier. I marked it, and used it as a fouling piece of brass. I just kept track of that piece and made sure I didn't use it.


Why didn't yall tell me this sooner!?!


Notice that Chad won that last match? He still is holding onto a few trade secrets and the whole world's supply of F210M's!


If I weighed brass, I bet I'd find the one that would cause a flier. All my rifles have a 200 pieces of brass minimum, most have 300 to 500. Weighing brass is not another project I want to add to the mix.
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#7242422 - 08/01/18 07:35 PM Re: Range time - 6.5 Creedmoor [Re: TackDriver]
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I tried weighing brass for awhile and never really found it worth the time required. I completely gave it up after using the throw flier in the trash method, which does help. Some cases feel different when seating a bullet, and those I have started marking and setting aside in their own group for practice, but probably should toss those as well.
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#7242448 - 08/01/18 07:57 PM Re: Range time - 6.5 Creedmoor [Re: jeffbird]
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Originally Posted By: jeffbird
I tried weighing brass for awhile and never really found it worth the time required. I completely gave it up after using the throw flier in the trash method, which does help. Some cases feel different when seating a bullet, and those I have started marking and setting aside in their own group for practice, but probably should toss those as well.




So it's voodoo.
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#7242453 - 08/01/18 08:01 PM Re: Range time - 6.5 Creedmoor [Re: FiremanJG]
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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Originally Posted By: jeffbird
I tried weighing brass for awhile and never really found it worth the time required. I completely gave it up after using the throw flier in the trash method, which does help. Some cases feel different when seating a bullet, and those I have started marking and setting aside in their own group for practice, but probably should toss those as well.




So it's voodoo.


It might matter at the benchrest or F-class level of comps, but not to trying to keep 1/2 MOA.

Just tossing the brass that is associated with flyers seemed to work better and way faster.

Evaluating time sinks vs. results is important. Brass prep seems to consume 90% of the reloading time.

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