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#7241071 - 07/31/18 03:52 PM How to build a low water crossing
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I need to build a low water crossing on a wet weather creek. It has easy slopes on both sides. About 36 total feet in length. I've been told to just place 50lb. bags of QUIKRETE in the bag, to make the crossing and I've been told to use cinder blocks laid side by side for the crossing. Any help will be greatly appreciated. My mule goes through no problem, but it gets really muddy and I don't want to try it with my tractor. The tractor is what I need the crossing for.
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#7241078 - 07/31/18 03:59 PM Re: How to build a low water crossing [Re: Mr. T.]
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Numerous cross ties?

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#7241082 - 07/31/18 04:04 PM Re: How to build a low water crossing [Re: Mr. T.]
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I was thinking about that. I think I would need about 32 to make the crossing. I wonder how much water it takes to make one float.
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#7241105 - 07/31/18 04:25 PM Re: How to build a low water crossing [Re: Mr. T.]
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Ive used several different methods.
A couple loads of 6" - 8" rock spread across.
2 layers of sackcrete bags, drive 3 to 4 foot lengths of 3/8 rebar through bags into ground on side where water comes from.
If there is a city nearby check to see if they have concrete chunks from road or sidewalk replacement/ repair.
Sometimes they give that stuff away, you'd have to place them with your tractor.
Asphalt millings from state or county road work, needs to be at least 10" thick then compacted.
If there is a concrete batch plant nearby let them use the area as a clean out / dump site.

Railroad ties float easier than you'd think considering their weight. They'll have to be anchored somehow if much water at all comes through.

There was a member that had track machine wood pads used to cross pavement & to work in muddy areas for sale in classifieds not long ago.

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#7241107 - 07/31/18 04:27 PM Re: How to build a low water crossing [Re: Mr. T.]
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what is the subgrade like? can it support a vehicle now? ifr it does you could lay down filter fabric. run your sacrete 2 high across the creek about 10" apart. then fill with 3x5 crushed limestone opr other similar material. will support quite a bit and water will run thru it.

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#7241113 - 07/31/18 04:34 PM Re: How to build a low water crossing [Re: Mr. T.]
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Some pictures would help. Without pics most of us are just guessing on what may or may not work.
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#7241168 - 07/31/18 05:13 PM Re: How to build a low water crossing [Re: Mr. T.]
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I will not be back there until this weekend and I will take some photos then. Thank you for all the suggestions.
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#7241170 - 07/31/18 05:14 PM Re: How to build a low water crossing [Re: Mr. T.]
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I have a similar situation at my place, was thinking of going the culvert with compacted rock and then soil to cover but thinking that would be overkill for the area and would require too much fill due to the gentle slopes. Thinking some quickrete bags with re-bar though might be a good trick. My F250 goes through it just fine but there is a definite pothole effect in the middle and I want something less "deep" in the middle so I can drive a tractor with implements through there.

My only concern is the area is actually a kind of natural spring that gets more wet in wet times and essentially dried up in the heat we just had. I don't want to contaminate the water source so would quickrete bags leech into the water and make it too alkaline (lime) to be drinkable with a filter if desperate times came upon us (SHTF type situation)?

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#7241201 - 07/31/18 05:31 PM Re: How to build a low water crossing [Re: Mr. T.]
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Out in San Saba I saw a guy that used a 18 wheeler flat bed trailer and removed the wheels. Drug it over the gap and used it as a bridge. Might be worth exploring if you want to go over it.


Edited by rexmitchell (07/31/18 09:28 PM)

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#7241304 - 07/31/18 07:14 PM Re: How to build a low water crossing [Re: Mr. T.]
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This has been my experience. Anything you put there is like a water gap on a fence line, eventually you will get a rain that will either wash it down stream or tear it up so bad that it is unfixable.

The best you can do is on the upstream side, you want a gentle slope so that the force of water doesn't hit it like a wall. On the backside, you need something so that water falling on the backside doesn't wash out a hole. A 50 pound sack of Sacrete will wash down stream. I lost a 15 foot culvert that was under a layer of dirt and gravel. The hole it laid in was still there, but the culvert was gone.
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#7241405 - 07/31/18 09:13 PM Re: How to build a low water crossing [Re: Mr. T.]
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I live pretty close. If you ever need some help just let me know.

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#7241414 - 07/31/18 09:23 PM Re: How to build a low water crossing [Re: krmitchell]
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Originally Posted By: rexmitchell
Out in San Saba I say a guy that used a 18 wheeler flat bed trailer and removed the wheels. Drug it over the gap and used it as a bridge. Might be worth exploring if you want to go over it.

I've seen the same.

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#7241480 - 07/31/18 10:14 PM Re: How to build a low water crossing [Re: ChrisB]
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Originally Posted By: rexmitchell
Out in San Saba I say a guy that used a 18 wheeler flat bed trailer and removed the wheels. Drug it over the gap and used it as a bridge. Might be worth exploring if you want to go over it.

I've seen the same.

X2. Seen them and they do work well. We had a crossing that a 5' pipe in it for years, then it washed out. So we added another 5' pipe and now had two of them. They washed out. So we had a guy that was removing some 6"+ thick 4' and 5' wide sidewalks. He was needing a place to haul them too so we took them. He delivered for free to the ranch and dumped them at the creek crossing. We had a backhoe at the ranch and took 3 guys a couple of days to lay them in place to look like a slab. They worked perfect for a creek crossing about the same size like you have. Even put some up the banks on each side for better traction and less erosion. Then filled in the flow sides and ditches on both sides with the riprap pieces of the smaller busted concrete.
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#7241638 - 08/01/18 07:26 AM Re: How to build a low water crossing [Re: CassCounty]
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Originally Posted By: CassCounty
I live pretty close. If you ever need some help just let me know.

PM sent, thank you.
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#7242133 - 08/01/18 02:58 PM Re: How to build a low water crossing [Re: Mr. T.]
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Why don't you put in some CMP's or RCP's and make an elevated crossing?

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