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#7235670 - 07/25/18 07:55 PM How many animals you think....
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Were wounded and lost prior to modern smokeless powder cartridges?

Was thinking about this yesterday. I bet there were a ton of animals wounded and lost due to inaccurate rifles, low energy, poor bullets, lack of practice with the weapon, etc
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#7235672 - 07/25/18 07:58 PM Re: How many animals you think.... [Re: txtrophy85]
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#7235675 - 07/25/18 07:59 PM Re: How many animals you think.... [Re: SapperTitan]
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Originally Posted By: SapperTitan
731,336


Same number i came up with

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#7235678 - 07/25/18 08:01 PM Re: How many animals you think.... [Re: RJH1]
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Originally Posted By: RJH1
Originally Posted By: SapperTitan
731,336


Same number i came up with
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#7235684 - 07/25/18 08:06 PM Re: How many animals you think.... [Re: RJH1]
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Originally Posted By: RJH1
Originally Posted By: SapperTitan
731,336


Same number i came up with
Simple algebra LOL
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#7235785 - 07/25/18 09:28 PM Re: How many animals you think.... [Re: txtrophy85]
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And the ones lost from primitive weapons, spears, sharp rocks, driven off cliffs........

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#7235796 - 07/25/18 09:38 PM Re: How many animals you think.... [Re: txtrophy85]
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I would bet it was fewer than you may think. When those weapons were being used, the people using them were doing so to keep from starving. When that is your motivator, you tend to be a lot more sure about your shot. Also, just because they were using "primitive" weapons, it doesn't mean that they didn't kill efficiently. There is a reason that elk are no longer found in the Eastern states and that whitetails populations were very low in at the turn of the century. Most game animals are not that hard to kill. I have killed deer with a cap and ball pistol.
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#7235797 - 07/25/18 09:38 PM Re: How many animals you think.... [Re: txtrophy85]
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It could well be that fewer animals were lost in "olden days".

Inaccurate rifles: Well, the Winchester 1866, Winchester 1873 and similar lever guns like the Henry chambered for black powder cartridges like the 44-40 and 45 Colt can hardly be considered inaccurate rifles within the range limit of those cartridges. And certainly the venerable Sharps and Remington Rolling Block rifles in 45-70, 45-90, 44-120, 50-90 were not inaccurate rifles. They were capable of outstanding long range accuracy.

Low energy: Those in the pistol cartridge category would be considered low energy by todays rifle standard. But they certainly have all of the energy necessary for clean 100 yard kills. The big single shot rifle cartridges had plenty enough energy for bison at 300 yards.

Poor bullets: Lead and lead alloy bullets are not poor bullets when used within their velocity limits. Those who used them likely made them work quite well. Whitetails are not that difficult to cleanly kill even with relatively small round balls. Just ask Boon and Crocket.

Lack of practice with the weapon: I suspect todays average hunter has a lot less time behind the trigger over the course of a year than did the average hunter prior to the smokeless cartridge era.

Anyway, that's my take on the subject.
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#7235816 - 07/25/18 10:03 PM Re: How many animals you think.... [Re: txtrophy85]
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I'd bet more animals have been lost since the introduction of smokeless powder... bolt
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#7235829 - 07/25/18 10:23 PM Re: How many animals you think.... [Re: txtrophy85]
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I've seen deer killed with a 44-40. It's like a wall hits them.
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#7235852 - 07/25/18 10:43 PM Re: How many animals you think.... [Re: txtrophy85]
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With like black powder rifles they tended to get in a lot closer as well. Much more then most Texas deer hunters do today.
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#7235945 - 07/26/18 06:18 AM Re: How many animals you think.... [Re: txtrophy85]
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I would think they were pretty proficient with whatever weapon they were using due to the fact they had to be or they would have went hungry. Shots were much closer since they were actually hunting and not sitting watching a food plot in a bag(feeder) or food plot. Lot more of many of the game animals back then so they had a larger variety to choose from. Lot less pressured animals were probably easier to hunt. They were hunting to eat, usually not for the largest trophy animal out there.
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#7235956 - 07/26/18 06:39 AM Re: How many animals you think.... [Re: txtrophy85]
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I would say more are wounded today by bow hunters who never practice and just start hunting when the season opens.
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#7235987 - 07/26/18 07:20 AM Re: How many animals you think.... [Re: Pitchfork Predator]
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Originally Posted By: Pitchfork Predator
I would say more are wounded today by bow hunters who never practice and just start hunting when the season opens.


A lot more where probably lost prior to Indians getting the domestic horse.

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#7235992 - 07/26/18 07:30 AM Re: How many animals you think.... [Re: txtrophy85]
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Originally Posted By: txtrophy85
Were wounded and lost prior to modern smokeless powder cartridges?

Was thinking about this yesterday. I bet there were a ton of animals wounded and lost due to inaccurate rifles, low energy, poor bullets, lack of practice with the weapon, etc


A "ton" is a rather lowball figure, don't you think? Even with modern smokeless powder, no doubt there are many tons of deer lost in my county every deer season, LOL.
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