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#7216133 - 07/04/18 08:18 PM Ideal bullet Performance
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What do you consider ideal bullet performance?

I would think full expansion and pass through to allow for tracking. But somebody said they wanted full expansion and the bullet to stop in the animal as it dumped the most energy in the animal.


Thoughts?

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#7216145 - 07/04/18 08:46 PM Re: Ideal bullet Performance [Re: Cleric]
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Originally Posted By: Cleric
What do you consider ideal bullet performance?

I would think full expansion and pass through to allow for tracking. But somebody said they wanted full expansion and the bullet to stop in the animal as it dumped the most energy in the animal.


Thoughts?


I want them bleeding out both sides.
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#7216146 - 07/04/18 08:49 PM Re: Ideal bullet Performance [Re: Cleric]
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I like a bullet that is designed to retain 60% of its weight. Sometimes they pass through, sometimes they don't.

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#7216148 - 07/04/18 08:51 PM Re: Ideal bullet Performance [Re: Cleric]
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I don't want a bullet to penetrate to the point of penciling through. I'm fine with finding the bullet in the off-side skin/shoulder. I shoot right through the middle of the front running gear, so impacts are most often dramatic...

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#7216150 - 07/04/18 08:53 PM Re: Ideal bullet Performance [Re: Jgraider]
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Originally Posted By: Jgraider
I like a bullet that is designed to retain 60% of its weight. Sometimes they pass through, sometimes they don't.


x2. I shoot NBTs, NABs, and SGKs almost exclusively.

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#7216155 - 07/04/18 08:58 PM Re: Ideal bullet Performance [Re: Cleric]
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I clean 20+ animals a year that we find the bullet embedded just under the skin on the opposite of penetration. They are generally all destroyed inside, full of blood and jelly. These deer/antelope generally do nor go far, so tracking is not a big deal.
So no pass through is just fine for me.
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#7216171 - 07/04/18 09:32 PM Re: Ideal bullet Performance [Re: Cleric]
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Full expansion and pass through.
If you need the energy the bullet still had after exiting use a bigger gun.

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#7216183 - 07/04/18 09:55 PM Re: Ideal bullet Performance [Re: ckat]
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Originally Posted By: ckat
Originally Posted By: Jgraider
I like a bullet that is designed to retain 60% of its weight. Sometimes they pass through, sometimes they don't.


x2. I shoot NBTs, NABs, and SGKs almost exclusively.


X3. I'm one that will never complain about bullet failure when I have no exit and the animal drops on the spot.
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#7216187 - 07/04/18 10:01 PM Re: Ideal bullet Performance [Re: Cleric]
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Originally Posted By: Cleric
What do you consider ideal bullet performance?

I would think full expansion and pass through to allow for tracking. But somebody said they wanted full expansion and the bullet to stop in the animal as it dumped the most energy in the animal.


Thoughts?


I don't think it is boiled down so easily as this and I don't really think the condition of the bullet is nearly as important as the condition of the animal. In other words, what is happening to the bullet isn't nearly as important as what is happening to the animal. You can get comparable levels of lethality with bullets than perform very differently.

The bullets that I like for killing hogs are not bullets that I would like nearly as much if I was a meat hunter because they leave so much lead behind in the animal and it is in the form of tiny pieces that sometimes can be found outside of the main wound channel that is often fairly massive. It is the massive wound channel, however, that I really like to see. The more tissue destruction being done, the better. The bullets in question tend to leave permanent wound channels larger than the diameter of the expanded {when recovered} bullet.

If I was a meat hunter, I think I would prefer one of the monolithic bullets that seem to bore such nice holes through the bodies of animals, often with nice clean wound channels that seem to be about the diameter of the expanded bullet, leaving no lead behind, and often overpenetrating too boot.
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#7216234 - 07/05/18 02:25 AM Re: Ideal bullet Performance [Re: Cleric]
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You don't need expansion with the high-shoulder shot.

But,

I have recently switched from Accubonds (several instances of bullet fragmentation in antelope without exit) in favor of Barnes LRXs. Lead poisoning is real, which is why I chose the all copper option. If I'm going to feed ground meat to my kid (soon to be kids), I don't want to drop their IQ or cause any of the other ill effects of excessive lead exposure. Otherwise, the Nosler Partition is really hard to beat, and I killed 50 whitetails and a bunch of other stuff with that bullet out to 300 yards.

A note on performance. I hit a 24 inch steel plate at 1000 yards with 180gr LRXs out of my 300 Win Mag 7 of 10 shots.

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#7216283 - 07/05/18 07:36 AM Re: Ideal bullet Performance [Re: Cleric]
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Originally Posted By: Cleric
What do you consider ideal bullet performance?

I would think full expansion and pass through to allow for tracking. But somebody said they wanted full expansion and the bullet to stop in the animal as it dumped the most energy in the animal.


Thoughts?


Either one is fine, as long as the bullet expands. I've had lots of past through's and some that did not, depending on animal size, toughness, and shot angle. All resulted in no real tracking, and cleanly killed animals.
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#7216308 - 07/05/18 08:16 AM Re: Ideal bullet Performance [Re: FiremanJG]
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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
I've had lots of past through's and some that did not, depending on animal size, toughness, and shot angle.


Just curious, did you cut open the animal to explore the wound tract? The reason why I ask is that in numerous cases I have seen unremarkable exit wounds, often that look like unexpanded bullet exits, when it fact the bullet expanded, did lots of damage, and either due to skin stretch or loss of petals, made an unremarkable exit.
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#7216326 - 07/05/18 08:39 AM Re: Ideal bullet Performance [Re: Double Naught Spy]
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Originally Posted By: Double Naught Spy
Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
I've had lots of past through's and some that did not, depending on animal size, toughness, and shot angle.


Just curious, did you cut open the animal to explore the wound tract? The reason why I ask is that in numerous cases I have seen unremarkable exit wounds, often that look like unexpanded bullet exits, when it fact the bullet expanded, did lots of damage, and either due to skin stretch or loss of petals, made an unremarkable exit.



Only whitetail buck I've ever shot was 120 yards. Right shoulder entry, found the bullet in the left flank area, no exit. 165 gr Sierra Game Kind SPBT out of a .308 Win. Bullet expanded to 3/4" and still weighed 140 gr (still have it). Lungs destroyed, G.I. track destroyed.

Bull elk, 200 yards, 7 Rem Mag 180 gr VLD-Hunting @3000 fps MV. We did not gut him, but I do not recall an exit wound. He was on the ground 5 seconds after he was hit, and had only made about 4 slow steps.
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#7216343 - 07/05/18 08:59 AM Re: Ideal bullet Performance [Re: Cleric]
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What animal?
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#7216347 - 07/05/18 09:02 AM Re: Ideal bullet Performance [Re: Cleric]
603Country Offline
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Iím with Hwy Man, in that I prefer an exit wound. Sometimes tracking has to happen, so more blood makes the tracking easier. As for bullet preference, all I use these days (and have used since Nosler quit making SBBTs) is the Nosler Ballistic Tip. Effective and sometimes messy, and i most always get an exit wound on deer of all sizes. Donít get many exit wounds on hogs though. I shoot a 260 these days, with 120 gr BTs. With my 270 I use the 130 gr BTs.

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