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#7212018 - 06/29/18 06:22 PM HELP...Lab wont put a bird in her mouth.
batesdc Offline
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I have a 11 month old Black Lab. She loves the water and fetch. She will fetch anything I throw, Ball, Bumper, Duck looking bumper and even the cabelas pheasant feather covered training bumper BUT she will not put a dead bird in her mouth. How can I fix this? Tricks?

Thanks
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#7212050 - 06/29/18 06:50 PM Re: HELP...Lab wont put a bird in her mouth. [Re: batesdc]
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I'd say force fetch but I am no pro.
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#7212077 - 06/29/18 07:29 PM Re: HELP...Lab wont put a bird in her mouth. [Re: batesdc]
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First off, donít panic. I had the same issue with a dog that turned out to be incredible. I told the guys where I took her to get trained that she was bumper crazy but spits the real deal. He smiled, grabbed a duck, and got her all fired up about it. Within 5 min he had her bringing it back to him. I didnít think it was possible.

In my opinion FF is the way to go, and something Iíve come to understand over time. At first I fought the idea, but learned it will pay big dividends later...especially if you plan to get serious about the game. That said, it can be kinda tough to do yourself and will put some stress on the dog and you too. I would recommend having another person who has it down do it for you. Just like anything else, itís a step by step process and you need to know what to look for so you donít screw up a dog. Some dogs like my Molly figured the game out real quick... others take a bit longer. Either way... if your dog is nuts about retrieving it will all be okay up

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#7212117 - 06/29/18 08:59 PM Re: HELP...Lab wont put a bird in her mouth. [Re: batesdc]
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Ultimately force fetch is what the dog needs, however, I don't think I would start with that to fix this issue.

First off

Does the dog know the "hold" command?

Can you place a duck in her mouth and make her hold it?

Open her mouth and place the object in. Keep your hand under her chin and say "hold". Slowly move to taking your hand away. If she drops say "no" put it back in her mouth, say "hold". Might give a tap under the chin.

That's where I'd start.

Teach "hold" with other objects then move to ducks.

Once she gets used to just holding a duck in her mouth she'll be more likely to pick one up.

If she won't sit still for you to work on this then go back and work on obedience. "Sit" should be solid.



Edited by BradyBuck (06/29/18 09:04 PM)
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#7212141 - 06/29/18 09:35 PM Re: HELP...Lab wont put a bird in her mouth. [Re: batesdc]
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I'd start with a live pigeon and let her kill it. I wouldn't let her tear it up but play with it instead, take it from her then throw it.

I agree with everyone saying force fetch but before you get into that you need a dog that is obedient and understands what's going on. Like BB said, can't just jump into FF.

Good luck.
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#7212143 - 06/29/18 09:39 PM Re: HELP...Lab wont put a bird in her mouth. [Re: batesdc]
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Try putting duct tape around the middle of the bird, then throwing it like a happy bumper.
I've never had to force a dog on a bird, and don't think putting pressure (forcing) a dog on live birds is the right thing to do. I don't introduce birds until they're proficient on the double t, and don't have these problems.
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Edited by Birdhunter61 (06/29/18 09:44 PM)

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#7212173 - 06/29/18 10:09 PM Re: HELP...Lab wont put a bird in her mouth. [Re: batesdc]
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Tease her with a broke wing pigeon. Let it go when she gets riled up. If she doesnít grab it shoot her in the back of the head and get a new pup.

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#7212218 - 06/29/18 11:39 PM Re: HELP...Lab wont put a bird in her mouth. [Re: scalebuster]
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Originally Posted By: scalebuster
Tease her with a broke wing pigeon. Let it go when she gets riled up. If she doesnít grab it shoot her in the back of the head and get a new pup.


Scale, When I read your posts I seriously laugh out loud. I can't tell if you are serious or just going for the shock factor.

I recently was working with a dog for a friend. He wouldn't pick up live birds. He'd chase a clip wing pigeon, sniff it and come running back to me.

Dog had excellent obedience and a good hold on dead birds and bumpers. I took the live pigeon and put it in his mouth and had him hold it. That combined with a little competition from my dog who is bird crazy fixed him right up.

Not sure how the gun shot to the head would help him pick up birds but if after the first shot he still wouldn't pick up a bird would you shoot him again? smile ani


Edited by BradyBuck (06/29/18 11:56 PM)
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#7212234 - 06/30/18 04:19 AM Re: HELP...Lab wont put a bird in her mouth. [Re: batesdc]
batesdc Offline
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Thanks for the info guys. As far as obedience she has sit and come down solid. Working with stay. Haven't tried hold yet but I'll start today. Thanks again for the info.

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#7212354 - 06/30/18 09:11 AM Re: HELP...Lab wont put a bird in her mouth. [Re: batesdc]
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Originally Posted By: batesdc
Thanks for the info guys. As far as obedience she has sit and come down solid. Working with stay. Haven't tried hold yet but I'll start today. Thanks again for the info.


I donít know how lab guys do It but with my dog, I have no stay command. Sit means sit until I release him. No need to have them sit then stay.

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#7212388 - 06/30/18 10:20 AM Re: HELP...Lab wont put a bird in her mouth. [Re: batesdc]
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Here is living proof that FF will work.



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#7212514 - 06/30/18 01:47 PM Re: HELP...Lab wont put a bird in her mouth. [Re: batesdc]
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Any chance you are using a pigeon? Feathers are fine and some dogs won't tough pigeons and doves but will retrieve other birds.

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#7212702 - 06/30/18 06:45 PM Re: HELP...Lab wont put a bird in her mouth. [Re: batesdc]
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Batesdc, I am in the same camp as Brady. I think force fetch is a powerful tool. I also think teaching hold first will help prepare the dog for what is to come. Here is something you may try. I have used this on multiple dogs and it has not failed to fire a dog up and get it to grab a bird.

Do a few water retrieves with a bumper then toss a live pigeon that you have pulled or clipped the flight feathers in the water.(it needs to be swimming water for the dog) As the dog approaches, the pigeon will respond with a spirited breast stroke. A short chase will ensue. I have yet to see a bird dog who likes the water, that can stand to let it get away. Don't say anything to the dog once you release it. Just let it play out. Meet the dog at the bank and love it up good. Let it hold the bird a while if it wants to. Ideally a bird dog should be introduced to birds very early and very often.


Edited by Smokey Bear (06/30/18 07:02 PM)
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#7212715 - 06/30/18 07:11 PM Re: HELP...Lab wont put a bird in her mouth. [Re: batesdc]
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Start with a few frozen birds.




Edited by bill oxner (06/30/18 07:16 PM)
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#7212740 - 06/30/18 07:45 PM Re: HELP...Lab wont put a bird in her mouth. [Re: bill oxner]
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Originally Posted By: bill oxner
Here is living proof that FF will work.



I need a pic, while she holds, with toe pull or something to show force. grin

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